On one of my thinkpad systems, i run tpb (thinkpad buttons) but it also seems like something in KDE is monitoring this stuff as well -- when I hit volup/voldown kmix is launched and does it's own seperate OSD. Am I misunderstanding what's going on here? Any way to stop it? I've struck out in kcontrol. Thanks, --=20 Eric Covener covener@gmail.com