[ltp] Gates' pound of flesh
Ted Antkowiak
linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:29:02 -0500
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Thanks to all who replied to my question. I've taken the advice from a
couple of posters, that is: ...just ask them!... Makes perfect sense to
me; why didn't I think of that!?!
So I did indeed send them a 'pre-sales' email asking just that. Of
course, I've not received a reply yet, but when I do I will post it here
just in case anyone is interested...
Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Baz
To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Subject: Re: [ltp] Gates' pound of flesh
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:01:50 -0800
On 1/20/07, Richard Neill <rn214@hermes.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
Keith Gates wrote:
> On 1/20/07, *Ted Antkowiak* <tedward@techie.com
> <mailto: tedward@techie.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> New subscriber here, with a question:
>
> Has anyone here successfully purchased a new Thinkpad
without
> Windoze on it and without having to pay the built-in
licence fee to
> Microsoft?
>
> If so (or even if not, but you tried to), would you share
your
> story? Thanks!
>
> - tedward
>
>
> I read a story on slashdot a few weeks ago. About a guy that
called
> cell a bunch of time to refund his money for something he was
not going
> to use. He got his money back so you might want to look up
that.
>
Is there any way to get IBM to ship you a proper Windows Install
disk,
rather than the pointless recovery partition? Much though I
loathe XP,
it is occasionally useful, but I'd like my copy to be within
QEMU, not
on a partition on its own. Alternatively, is there any way to
transfer
XP from the installed partition into some sort of VM?
Richard
--
The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
I haven't experienced it personally - but, I've read quite a bit on
the subject; that is, IBM/Lenovo pre-installing Linux (or in your
case, shipping w/no OS) on Thinkpads. As you've probably heard,
Lenovo entered into an agreement with Novell (SUSE) to pre-install
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) on Thinkpads (or desktops) ONLY
to large customers. That is, customers who buy in bulk. Individuals
will be eligible eventually, but no exact time-frame was given. My
experience with IBM/Lenovo is that they have revealed themselves to
be flexible. To second a previous comment on this string - just ask
them. IBM (and it's my wish Lenovo is the same) is no fool. They
didn't become the industry standard by dismissing reasonable
requests. Please keep in mind, they have Microsoft looking over
their shoulders - and they must still do business with them.
However, IBM at least has established themselves in the fore-front
of the Linux Revolution (see their own commercial from 2003 about
Linux) and, they've been around far longer. I'm satisfied with my
relatively new Thinkpad - so much so, I've begun looking into buying
a desktop system.
Regards,
Sebastian
--
"...heart and soul....one will burn."
- Joy Division
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Thanks to all who replied to my question. I've taken the advice from =
a couple of posters, that is: ...just ask them!... Makes perfect sens=
e to me; why didn't I think of that!?!<br><br>So I did indeed send them a '=
pre-sales' email asking just that. Of course, I've not received a rep=
ly yet, but when I do I will post it here just in case anyone is interested=
...<br><br>Cheers!<br><br> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(=
16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">----- Original Message =
-----<br>
From: Baz <bazciscor@gmail.com><br>
To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org<br>
Subject: Re: [ltp] Gates' pound of flesh<br>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:01:50 -0800<br>
<br>
<br><br></bazciscor@gmail.com><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1/20/07, =
<b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Richard Neill</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:rn214=
@hermes.cam.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(w=
indow,event,this)">rn214@hermes.cam.ac.uk
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1=
ex;">
<br><br>Keith Gates wrote:<br>> On 1/20/07, *Ted Antkowiak* <<a href=
=3D"mailto:tedward@techie.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.O=
penExtLink(window,event,this)">tedward@techie.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a=
href=3D"mailto:tedward@techie.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top=
.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
tedward@techie.com</a>>> wrote:<br> ><br>> &nb=
sp; Hello All,<br>><br>> New subscriber here,=
with a question:<br>><br>> Has anyone here s=
uccessfully purchased a new Thinkpad without<br>>  =
; Windoze on it and without having to pay the built-in licence fee to=20
<br>> Microsoft?<br>><br>> &nbs=
p; If so (or even if not, but you tried to), would you share your<br>=
> story? Thanks!<br>><br>> =
; - tedward<br>><br>><br>> I read a story on sla=
shdot a few weeks ago. About a guy that called=20
<br>> cell a bunch of time to refund his money for something he was not =
going<br>> to use. He got his money back so you might want to=
look up that.<br>><br><br><br>Is there any way to get IBM to ship you a=
proper Windows Install disk,=20
<br>rather than the pointless recovery partition? Much though I loathe XP,<=
br>it is occasionally useful, but I'd like my copy to be within QEMU, not<b=
r>on a partition on its own. Alternatively, is there any way to transfer=20
<br>XP from the installed partition into some sort of VM?<br><br>Richard<br=
><br>--<br>The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:<br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad" target=3D=
"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad </a><br><=
/blockquote></div><br>I haven't experienced it personally - but, I've read =
quite a bit on the subject; that is, IBM/Lenovo pre-installing Linux (=
or in your case, shipping w/no OS) on Thinkpads. As you've probably h=
eard, Lenovo entered into an agreement with Novell (SUSE) to pre-install SU=
SE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) on Thinkpads (or desktops) ONLY to large=
customers. That is, customers who buy in bulk. Individuals wil=
l be eligible eventually, but no exact time-frame was given. My exper=
ience with IBM/Lenovo is that they have revealed themselves to be flexible.=
To second a previous comment on this string - just ask them. I=
BM (and it's my wish Lenovo is the same) is no fool. They didn't beco=
me the industry standard by dismissing reasonable requests. Please ke=
ep in mind, they have Microsoft looking over their shoulders - and they mus=
t still do business with them. However, IBM at least has established =
themselves in the fore-front of the Linux Revolution (see their own commerc=
ial from 2003 about Linux) and, they've been around far longer. I'm s=
atisfied with my relatively new Thinkpad - so much so, I've begun looking i=
nto buying a desktop system.=20
<br><br>Regards,<br>Sebastian<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>"...heart and sou=
l....one will burn."<br>- Joy Division=20=20=20
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