linux-thinkpad-admin@linux-thinkpad.org wrote on 02/08/2009 09:2=
7:18 AM:

> What is that latest model Thinkpad that is compatible with PATA
> connector interface hard drives used in the models for years 2000<=
br>
> through 2004 or so?  I have an old Thinkpad with a newly upgr=
aded, large

> capacity hard drive, but the mother board has failed, and I would =
like

> to find a newer one that can reuse the new hard drive.

If your drive is 12.5mm high, like in the T2x or A3x series, the A3=
1 or T23 is probably the newest popular ThinkPad series to look at. &nb=
sp;If your drive is 9.5mm high, then the T42 seems to run about everyth=
ing claiming IDE/EIDE/PATA interfaces.  The T43 have a PATA drive =
connector, but its got hairy restrictions on drives that the BIOS won't=
 bitch about -- essentially you have one Seagate, one Fujitsu and maybe=
 two Hitachi 120GB 5400RPM drives that are fully compatible with the la=
test T43 BIOS.  Smaller drives increase your chances for compatibi=
lity.  I run several T43 and love the cheap memory cost, and put u=
p with the hard drive quirks because Windows 7 Ultimate loaded up on my=
 2GHz T43 ATI X300 64MB VRAM and runs great, just like my big T60s.

Your mileage will certainly vary, as others are going to mention sh=
ortly.

=

--0__=0ABBFFC4DFC2759E8f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFFC4DFC2759E--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb  8 15:05:05 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Bill Andrus)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:05:05 -0500
Subject: [ltp] PATA hard drive in Thinkpads
In-Reply-To: <498EF244.30407@idlelion.net>
References:  <498EEBC6.6070509@comcast.net> <498EF244.30407@idlelion.net>
Message-ID: 

--0__=0ABBFFC4DFC145238f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFFC4DFC14523
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

> I wonder if there's a PATA bay adapter for the T6x or later models...

You use the same T4x adapter!   Made migration to the T6x systems a snap!
--0__=0ABBFFC4DFC145238f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFFC4DFC14523
Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline

> I wonder if there's a PATA bay adapter for the T6x or later models...

You use the same T4x adapter!   Made migration to the T6x systems a snap!

--0__=0ABBFFC4DFC145238f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFFC4DFC14523--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb  8 17:48:01 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:48:01 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problem with trackpoint
Message-ID: <7114b4e451db50ba066059d98c2cd056@85.127.204.42>

Hi,
I've got a really strange problem with my trackpoint. I've had this problem
since I upgraded to X.Org (Xserver 1.5) and/or BIOS and/or kernel
(2.6.26-1-686 from Debian Sid) of my T61. I can't say which is responsible
for it. Well, I managed trackpoint and touchpad to get working perfectly
with the new XServer. So HAL and its profiles are working correctly, even
special keys (EmulateWheel etc.). But sometimes, after a fresh system boot I
don't get a trackpoint at all. I mean: touching it doesn't do anything and a
"cat /dev/input/mouse0" does nothing (while the same on /dev/input/mouse1
gives me mouse events as soon as I  touch the touchpad).

This becomes really strange since the device seems to be initialized
correctly in HAL and X11. Indeed lshal gives me:

udi =
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_Synaptics_pass_through_logicaldev_input'
  info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.mouse'} (string list)
  info.category = 'input'  (string)
  info.parent =
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_Synaptics_pass_through'
 (string)
  info.product = 'TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint'  (string)
  info.subsystem = 'input'  (string)
  info.udi =
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_Synaptics_pass_through_logicaldev_input'
 (string)
  input.device = '/dev/input/event10'  (string)
  input.originating_device =
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_Synaptics_pass_through'
 (string)
  input.product = 'TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint'  (string)
  input.x11_driver = 'evdev'  (string)
  input.x11_options.Emulate3Buttons = 'true'  (string)
  input.x11_options.EmulateWheel = 'true'  (string)
  input.x11_options.EmulateWheelButton = '2'  (string)
  input.x11_options.EmulateWheelTimeout = '200'  (string)
  input.x11_options.XAxisMapping = '6 7'  (string)
  input.x11_options.YAxisMapping = '4 5'  (string)
  linux.device_file = '/dev/input/event10'  (string)
  linux.hotplug_type = 2  (0x2)  (int)
  linux.subsystem = 'input'  (string)
  linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/input/input10/event10'  (string)

and X11:

(II) config/hal: Adding input device TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint
(**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: always reports core events
(**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Device: "/dev/input/event10"
(II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found 3 mouse buttons
(II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found x and y relative axes
(II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Configuring as mouse
(**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
(II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Forcing middle mouse button emulation on.
(**) Option "EmulateWheel" "true"
(**) Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2"
(**) Option "EmulateWheelTimeout" "200"
(**) Option "YAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) Option "XAxisMapping" "6 7"
(**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: XAxisMapping: buttons 6 and 7

But as I said. Neither on /dev/input/event10 nor /dev/input/mouse0 I get
mouse events by touching the trackpoint, sometimes I do (as by now). I'd say
I get this behaviour every 2nd or 3rd (fresh) system boot. Does anyone of
you have suggestions? 

 --
 Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP
autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it: http://www.email.it/f

 Sponsor:
 Prova il servizio di Email Marketing di Email.it, incrementi la visibilita'
della tua azienda e trovi nuovi clienti.
Liste a partire da 10.000 contatti per soli 250 Euro
 Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=8351&d=20090208

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb  8 18:35:54 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 16:35:54 -0200
Subject: [ltp] PATA hard drive in Thinkpads
In-Reply-To: <498EF294.3070204@gmx.net>
References:  <498EEBC6.6070509@comcast.net> <498EEE3C.1030006@free.fr> <498EF294.3070204@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090208183554.GA14089@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009, Michael Gaber wrote:
> afaik T models up to T42
> R up to R51
> X up to 4something use PATA

T43 is PATA too, there is a SATA->PATA converter inside.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 02:04:15 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pio_B=E4ttig?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:04:15 +0900
Subject: [ltp] Re: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <20090207110100.B83FF3408B@parabel.matrix.de>
References: <20090207110100.B83FF3408B@parabel.matrix.de>
Message-ID: <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net>

Hi,

I have a T61 with a T7100 (1.8 GHz) Core 2 Duo and 4 GB of memory, 
Centrino Duo chipset (Intel Graphics, Network,....)
Since (at least) 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 I also observe frequent lockups.
I can work for anything between 15 minutes to several hours, and then 
suddenly, the system starts behaving jerkily (mouse pointer, loading 
applications.....).
The CPU-applet gets stuck at 1.8 GHz. However when checking with "top", 
the CPU utilization stays at around 1-5 percent if I don't do anything 
on the system, it doesn't seem to go to 50/100 percent which could 
explain the freezing.

If these lockups happen, a graceful shutdown is not possible anymore, 
the system gets stuck somewhere in the process.
(BTW: is there a possibility to have the shutdown messages added to 
/var/log/messages or some other logfile?,  I don't see them recorded 
anywhere, only boot-messages.)

This behavior starts to get quite annoying, as it happens on a daily 
basis and not occasionally. At first, I suspected the desktop-effects, 
as they gave me trouble under fedora 9, but switching them off didn't 
get rid of the lockups.

Best regards,

Pio

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 06:02:15 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (D. Sen)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:02:15 +1100
Subject: [ltp] Re: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net>
References: <20090207110100.B83FF3408B@parabel.matrix.de> <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <498FC6E7.5080302@ieee.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I can reproduce this problem deterministically. It happens every time I
try to back up to an external HDD. This is irrespective of whether the
external drive is using an USB/Firewire/eSATA interface.

I have been using the 2.6.27.10 kernel, 64 bit Mandriva, W500 Thinkpad
with an Intel Core2Duo T9600 @ 2.8 GHz system.

If no one knows the culprit, I will have to start rmmoding modules one
at a time to see if I can pin-point the module by a process of
elimination. Its going to be annoying as each unsuccessful attempt is
going to require a hard reboot...with the potential for file system
corruption.

Cheers,
DS

Pio Bättig wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I have a T61 with a T7100 (1.8 GHz) Core 2 Duo and 4 GB of memory,
| Centrino Duo chipset (Intel Graphics, Network,....)
| Since (at least) 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 I also observe frequent lockups.
| I can work for anything between 15 minutes to several hours, and then
| suddenly, the system starts behaving jerkily (mouse pointer, loading
| applications.....).
| The CPU-applet gets stuck at 1.8 GHz. However when checking with "top",
| the CPU utilization stays at around 1-5 percent if I don't do anything
| on the system, it doesn't seem to go to 50/100 percent which could
| explain the freezing.
|
| If these lockups happen, a graceful shutdown is not possible anymore,
| the system gets stuck somewhere in the process.
| (BTW: is there a possibility to have the shutdown messages added to
| /var/log/messages or some other logfile?,  I don't see them recorded
| anywhere, only boot-messages.)
|
| This behavior starts to get quite annoying, as it happens on a daily
| basis and not occasionally. At first, I suspected the desktop-effects,
| as they gave me trouble under fedora 9, but switching them off didn't
| get rid of the lockups.
|
| Best regards,
|
| Pio
|
|
|
| Tino Keitel wrote:
| | On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 20:26:29 +1100, D. Sen wrote:
| |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| |> Hash: SHA1
| |>
| |> Anyone noticed this on their syslog? It appears whenever I am trying to
| |> backup my hard drive to an external drive (USB or ESATA). It
freezes the
| |> computer requiring a hard reboot.
| |>
| |> Very annoying. Googling results in various hits - but nothing definite.
| |
| | I saw such hangs with recent versions of the Intel driver (2.6.1) with
| | kernel mode setting enabled in the kernel.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmPxucACgkQc/pG5x+fHibB0ACeJq1ZAnz7j7NUXGViUjVedznj
YusAn09H4cwGLnT7RjGe7nb83CPvH6R7
=ZaH/
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 03:38:47 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (John Smiths)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:38:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ltp] battery questions
In-Reply-To: <20090117155824.GA29957@pina.cat>
References: <20090117155824.GA29957@pina.cat>
Message-ID: <21906628.post@talk.nabble.com>

Carles Pina i Estany-2 wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> IBM/Lenovo distributors in Spain are quite... "bad" (at least using
> on-line shopping).
>=20
> I'm searching a battery for a T-60. For example, I have found:
> http://www.batteriesshop.co.uk/ibm-thinkpad-t60.htm
>=20
> =C2=A3 45.5,, 50 Euros, 67 Dollars
>=20
> I cannot check if it's an official battery from IBM. Any experience
> using a non-official batteries? Same? Worse? Will explode? :-)
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> --=20
> Carles Pina i Estany=09=09GPG id: 0x17756391
> =09http://pinux.info
> --=20
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>=20
>=20
http://www.laptopbatteriesshop.co.uk/ibm-laptop-batteries.htm=20
--=20
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/battery-questions-tp215=
17797p21906628.html
Sent from the Linux Thinkpad mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb  8 20:55:56 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:55:56 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: How does a uevent work for dock/undock on thinkpads?
References: 
Message-ID: 

> I know nothing about udev or HAL. Is there a simple way to do what
> I want to do?  I would appreciate if anyone could give any help
> or direction.

It should be possible to write a simple file to put into
/etc/udev/rules.d that will run your script whenever you dock or undock.
The problem is to figure out what these events look like so you can
write rules that match.

A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rules.d/00-trace.rules
that just contains:

   NAME==".*", RUN+="printenv | logger -t udevd"

this will spam your syslog with a lot of info about each and every
udev event.  Then you can look for the ones that correspond to
docking&undocking.

        Stefan

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb  8 21:43:56 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven King)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:43:56 -0800
Subject: [ltp] How does a uevent work for dock/undock on thinkpads?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200902081343.56423.sfking00@yahoo.com>

On Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:56:54 Daniel Castro wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I have a T61(and a T61p) running Ubuntu 8.10 (2.6.27-11-generic) and I have
> a advanced mini
> dockwhich
> works great. The eject button will release usb devices attached and
> docking back in just works. It is a 1 second dock/undock experience (with
> external monitor) compared with the more than 10 seconds it takes in
> Windows.
> At work I undock and dock a lot, and there are certain tasks I would like
> tu run when I do this. So I would like to run a script when I undock and
> another one when I dock.
>
> I asked here a few days ago if the dock/undock was handled by an acpi event
> and the answer was *no*, it is handled by a uevent (udev or HAL).
>
> I know nothing about udev or HAL. Is there a simple way to do what I want
> to do?

For my x61 tablet running Fedora and x6ultrabase, to catch the udev event, I 
have a file /etc/udev/55-thinkpad-x61t.rules which contains:

KERNEL=="dock.0", ATTR{docked}=="1", RUN+="/etc/thinkpad/dock.sh 1"
KERNEL=="dock.0", ATTR{docked}=="0", RUN+="/etc/thinkpad/dock.sh 0"

in actual practice, for either docking or undocking, the ATTR{docked} always 
initially equals 1, so my /etc/thinkpad/dock.sh looks like:

#!/bin/sh
# wait for the dock state to change
sleep 1
DOCKED=$(cat /sys/devices/platform/dock.0/docked)

case "$DOCKED" in
        "0")
                xrandr -d :0.0 --output VGA --off
                ;;
        "1")
                xrandr -d :0.0 --output VGA --auto
                xrandr -d :0.0 --output LVDS --auto --right-of VGA
                ;;
esac
exit 0

For your T61 I would imagine it would be very similar or the same.

I think more recent versions of HAL (0.5.12?) have dock support included.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 06:56:24 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pio_B=E4ttig?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:56:24 +0900
Subject: [ltp] Re: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net>
References: <20090207110100.B83FF3408B@parabel.matrix.de> <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <498FD398.1030008@gmx.net>

Dear DS,

hmm, I don't know, the only things I usually have connected to my 
machine are a USB-mouse and the network cable, no storage devices. So 
there might be different events/reasons that trigger the hang-ups.

There doesn't seem to be anything extraordinary in the logs...

Best regards,

Pio

P.S. At the moment I am using 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64

> I can reproduce this problem deterministically. It happens every time
> I try to back up to an external HDD. This is irrespective of whether
> the external drive is using an USB/Firewire/eSATA interface.
> 
> I have been using the 2.6.27.10 kernel, 64 bit Mandriva, W500
> Thinkpad with an Intel Core2Duo T9600 @ 2.8 GHz system.
> 
> If no one knows the culprit, I will have to start rmmoding modules
> one at a time to see if I can pin-point the module by a process of 
> elimination. Its going to be annoying as each unsuccessful attempt is
>  going to require a hard reboot...with the potential for file system 
> corruption.
> 
> Cheers, DS

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 07:33:10 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:33:10 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problem with trackpoint
In-Reply-To: <7114b4e451db50ba066059d98c2cd056@85.127.204.42>
References: <7114b4e451db50ba066059d98c2cd056@85.127.204.42>
Message-ID: <20090209073310.GA1474@x61>

On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:48:01 +0100, f.pazzo@email.it wrote:

[...]

> special keys (EmulateWheel etc.). But sometimes, after a fresh system boot I
> don't get a trackpoint at all. I mean: touching it doesn't do anything and a

Does it work after an X server restart? I read something about a race
condition between the start of the HAL daemon and the X server.

The Xorg log of a failed X server start would also be helpful I think.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 09:06:43 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (michael mclaughlin)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:06:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ltp] new thinkpad for me
Message-ID: <753336.98006.qm@web23308.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

To reduce boot time, you can turn off services that you will not need.
For example, I installed Fedora Core 6 on my 600X and services such as send=
mail, iptables6, bluetooth were installed automatically.
I never use these service, so I turn them off at boot-time.
Mike=0A=0A=0A      

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 09:21:56 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (jnjb)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:21:56 +0100
Subject: [ltp] new thinkpad for me
In-Reply-To: <753336.98006.qm@web23308.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <753336.98006.qm@web23308.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <498FF5B4.2050400@free.fr>

michael mclaughlin a Ã©crit :
> To reduce boot time, you can turn off services that you will not need.
> For example, I installed Fedora Core 6 on my 600X and services such as sendmail, iptables6, bluetooth were installed automatically.
> I never use these service, so I turn them off at boot-time.
> Mike
> 
> 
>       
i have do that at first time but thank you for your sugest mclaughlin

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 12:10:48 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Mircea Gherzan)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:10:48 +0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: head unload on a Seagate Momentus 5400.4
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20090130023755.38981ce7@beast3>

Message-ID: <20090209141048.184f9884@beast3>

Evgeni Golov  wrote:
> What does hdparm -I tell about the drive? ATA-7 standard and NO
> IDLE_IMMEDIATE?

Thanks a lot for the hint. Runnig the command reports:
	   *	IDLE_IMMEDIATE with UNLOAD

So, the is no kernel bug or drive issue. The only problem was just me
being stupid and reading the CFSSE word from the wrong ATA drive, by
placing the printk() in the wrong place.

The word value for the drive is actually 6123 in hex.

Funny fact: Seagate replied today to my ticked, stating that "This drive
does not support that feature."

Sorry for all the mess I've caused.

Regards,

-- 
Mircea

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 17:17:44 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Michael Gaber)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:17:44 +0100
Subject: [ltp] PATA hard drive in Thinkpads
In-Reply-To: <20090208183554.GA14089@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References:  <498EEBC6.6070509@comcast.net> <498EEE3C.1030006@free.fr> <498EF294.3070204@gmx.net> <20090208183554.GA14089@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <49906538.8050600@gmx.net>

This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.

--------------ms090107080602090002000902
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh schrieb:
> On Sun, 08 Feb 2009, Michael Gaber wrote:
>> afaik T models up to T42
>> R up to R51
>> X up to 4something use PATA
> 
> T43 is PATA too, there is a SATA->PATA converter inside.
> 

ah i wasn't sure if it was this way or the other way around, i just
recalled that some sata-pata-stuff was included so i left it out to be sure

--------------ms090107080602090002000902
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s"
Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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--------------ms090107080602090002000902--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 18:52:48 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:52:48 +0100
Subject: [ltp] new thinkpad for me
In-Reply-To: <20090208115418.GB19019@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <498DCD23.1050707@free.fr> <20090208115418.GB19019@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <20090209185248.GA16578@dose.home.local>

On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:54:18 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2009, jnjb wrote:
> > i have now replace my x24 by an good x32, it work very well but i want  
> > try to reduce boot time a little like netbooks but not so fast boot, if  
> > someone have ideas for do it. I have try to use fastinit but it dont  
> > work whith me.
> 
> I managed it on a T43 with Debian Lenny, so yes, it *really* should work on
> the X32 as well.
> 
> Here's what you need to do:
> 
> 1. Compile your own kernel.  2.6.27 is a damn good choice right now
> (because it is going to be maintained for a very long time).  Debian
> has tools to make it dead simple to create .deb kernel packages, see
> package kernel-package and the utility make-kpkg.  I think there are
> HOWTOs in debian-administration.org.

For a fast bootup, 2.6.28 might be an even better choice, because it
comes with "fastboot", which tries to find the root partition as fast
as possible to start init as early as possible. YMMV, but on my desktop
(Mac mini) it saves more than 10 seconds compared to 2.6.27.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 21:12:41 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marco Vittorini Orgeas)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:12:41 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Fresh Lenny install and suspend to ram problems
Message-ID: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop>

Hello,
I've just installed Lenny on my thinkpad T61 (model 6460).I am posting here because I've googled around and tried some things reported from people with similar issues,but I am starting to be stuck in a deadlock where I feel to just don't get the point of the situation.
On my system all seems to work as expected (even suspend to disk), but I am facing problems with the suspend to ram feature.
The problem is:
if I suspend to ram the system(from the gnome power button) I have the system regularly suspended to ram (the t61 half-moon blinks showing that is going to sleep).
It sleeps for two seconds and then it immediately resumes back, but it just fail to resume - I can hear the HD spin up and the fan starts to work but the half-moon doesn't blink and the screen remains black.
At this point the keyboard doesn't seem to respond to any input or combination of key pressed, and all I can do is a an hard rebooting by keep pressed the power button.

Now reading around (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_ACPI_suspend-to-ram) I was able to isolate the first half of the problem:
if I do :
modprobe -r ehci_hcd
and then I try to suspend, the system effectively suspend and sleeps well without any more resumes.I have tried to understand where lenny looks for modules to be rmmoded before actually suspend but I was not successfull, or better: around there is such confusion on the topic that I can't seem to understand which files or script gnome uses to make the system sleeps (acpi,hibernate.conf etc... googling get you a "babele" of different informations)...so if someone could be so kind to clear the situation and point me in the right direction would be very appreciated.

After that still remains the second half of the problem: even if the system is suspended to ram, if I try to resume it back, I get again the over-mentioned problem: I can hear the HD spin up and the fan starts to work but the half-moon doesn't blink and the screen remains black.At this point the keyboard doesn't seem to respond.

Some suggestions here would be really appreciated too.
I should also add here that I have on the same thinkpad a Gutsy installation with suspend2ram working (but there I am using the nvidia binary drivers) while on lenny I guess I am using the X11 nv driver (even though I can't be able to check this because lsmod |grep nv does return only "nvram") - I have a nvidia quadro 140m on my thinkpad.

Probably the resume problem is related to this difference of drivers.

thank you

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb  9 22:36:58 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:36:58 -0200
Subject: [ltp] new thinkpad for me
In-Reply-To: <20090209185248.GA16578@dose.home.local>
References: <498DCD23.1050707@free.fr> <20090208115418.GB19019@khazad-dum.debian.net> <20090209185248.GA16578@dose.home.local>
Message-ID: <20090209223658.GA19864@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009, Tino Keitel wrote:
> For a fast bootup, 2.6.28 might be an even better choice, because it
> comes with "fastboot", which tries to find the root partition as fast
> as possible to start init as early as possible. YMMV, but on my desktop
> (Mac mini) it saves more than 10 seconds compared to 2.6.27.

Interesting.  When the list of 2.6.28.y regressions stops being scary
(say, on 2.6.28.7 or thereabouts), I will think about it :-)

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 05:59:31 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Bill Wohler)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:59:31 -0800
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
Message-ID: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>

My T40p is dying.

I'm looking at the W500, but I'm concerned that I might have the same
trouble with the ATI video card that I have had with the one in this
box. I've never been able to use the accelerated graphics. Google
Earth and Stellarium are unusable.

My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
projector. None of this works on my T40p.

I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.

Everything about the W500 looks good except for the video card. Has
anyone out there, particularly Debian folks, had success video-wise
with this laptop? Or should I opt for the W700 (which isn't as mobile
as I'd like) that does have an nVidia card? Are there plans for a W500
model with an nVidia card and is it soon enough that the duct tape
will hold?

-- 
Bill Wohler   http://www.newt.com/wohler/  GnuPG ID:610BD9AD

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 06:30:03 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:30:03 +0100
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
Message-ID: <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>

--=-OMevrfiSJoKGDOHq766G
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On lun, 2009-02-09 at 21:59 -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
>=20
> My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
> configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
> graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
> projector. None of this works on my T40p.

Avoid nvidia at all cost.

> I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.

Avoid fglrx driver (binary driver). radeon/radeonhd work fine

If you want the best support, use intel graphics. It works pretty fine
and is even powerful enough for ~some~ 3D stuff. If you badly need 3D
stuff, then: radeon/radeonhd > nvidia > fglrx

nouveau is not really usable at the moment and nvidia driver is known to
do bad stuff with some compositing (xfwm compositer for example) and you
can't debug anything, as always with crappy binary stuff.

Cheers,
--=20
Yves-Alexis

--=-OMevrfiSJoKGDOHq766G
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEABECAAYFAkmRHuIACgkQTUTAIMXAW64PTwCgim5nzGs7sWvXnXlGxo6P5bAr
JIsAoIZVm2BMFjyJSXKQW4/dHV2TEdUe
=x81M
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--=-OMevrfiSJoKGDOHq766G--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 06:34:38 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (D. Sen)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:34:38 +1100
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
Message-ID: <49911FFE.3000503@ieee.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

My W500 is working fairly well. Not quite as stable as my T42p. Hangs
once in a while during Resume/Suspend cycles.

More tconcerning is the freeze that happens (see my post earlier this
week) when trying to back up to an external drive.

Using fglrx. 3D working. Most everything is working - except for the
fingerprint device.

Cheers,
DS

Bill Wohler wrote:
| My T40p is dying.
|
| I'm looking at the W500, but I'm concerned that I might have the same
| trouble with the ATI video card that I have had with the one in this
| box. I've never been able to use the accelerated graphics. Google
| Earth and Stellarium are unusable.
|
| My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
| configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
| graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
| projector. None of this works on my T40p.
|
| I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.
|
| Everything about the W500 looks good except for the video card. Has
| anyone out there, particularly Debian folks, had success video-wise
| with this laptop? Or should I opt for the W700 (which isn't as mobile
| as I'd like) that does have an nVidia card? Are there plans for a W500
| model with an nVidia card and is it soon enough that the duct tape
| will hold?
|
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmRH/4ACgkQc/pG5x+fHiYWMQCdG1to44Oulia+9OXuzDN71k8d
I98AmwaRaPS0031Y6MmU+jZSRZBklcHn
=JER4
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 07:48:54 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?UTF-8?B?RnLDqWTDqXJpYw==?= Boiteux)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:48:54 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Fresh Lenny install and suspend to ram problems
In-Reply-To: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop>
References: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop>
Message-ID: <20090210084854.3f4a083e@Prem6s.lanvoc>

Le Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:12:41 +0100,
Marco Vittorini Orgeas  a =C3=A9crit :

>...
> .I have tried to understand
> where lenny looks for modules to be rmmoded before actually suspend
> but I was not successfull, or better: around there is such confusion
> on the topic that I can't seem to understand which files or script
> gnome uses to make the system sleeps (acpi,hibernate.conf etc...
> googling get you a "babele" of different informations)...so if
> someone could be so kind to clear the situation and point me in the
> right direction would be very appreciated.

You have to put a shell script in /etc/pm/config.d/, with definition :

SUSPEND_MODULES=3D"ehci_hcd"

(you can also look at =C2=AB man pm-suspend =C2=BB).

For the other topics, I can't help, sorry.

	Fred.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 09:11:52 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:11:52 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: 

Yves-Alexis Perez schrieb:
> On lun, 2009-02-09 at 21:59 -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
>> My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
>> configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
>> graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
>> projector. None of this works on my T40p.
> 
> Avoid nvidia at all cost.

? I avoid ATI at all cost because I always had trouble with ATI cards 
resp. with the drivers. The ATI card in my wife's ThinkPad is a mess. To 
be precise 3D doesn't work with the FOSS drivers and watching video 
doesn't work with fglrx ... With the NVidia card in my desktop PC I can 
have 3D and watch video (using NVidia's binary driver).

>> I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.
> 
> Avoid fglrx driver (binary driver). radeon/radeonhd work fine
> 
> If you want the best support, use intel graphics.

Yes.

> It works pretty fine

Watching video on my X200s doesn't work at all and using a projector 
doesn't work as it should.

> and is even powerful enough for ~some~ 3D stuff.

Compiz works like a charm.

[...]

Just my 2 cents.

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 10:07:50 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Karsten =?iso-8859-15?q?K=F6nig?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:07:50 +0100
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <200902101107.50952.remur@gmx.net>

Heyhey,

> > I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.
>
> Avoid fglrx driver (binary driver). radeon/radeonhd work fine

This is not the wisest suggestion for a laptop, as the current opensource 
implementations have nearly no powersaving features, thus eating a whoping 
amount of power, not to mention the produced heat....
(But they sure come along pretty well, my T400 has one so I can read ATI and 
Intel driver news with satisfaction =))

> If you want the best support, use intel graphics. It works pretty fine
> and is even powerful enough for ~some~ 3D stuff. If you badly need 3D
> stuff, then: radeon/radeonhd > nvidia > fglrx

Current intel driver seems to have regressions, but still the point remains 
valid, an Intelcard is the best you can do for linux right now and in the near 
future.

@Bill
Might I ask why the W500 and not the T500?
It is a pretty good configuration and I heard they use better keyboards now, 
my T400 works great with the better keyboard.
You have the advantage of intel integrated and ATI discrete for whatever heavy 
lifting there is.

Karsten

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 10:32:22 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Hendrik-Jan Heins)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:32:22 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Fresh Lenny install and suspend to ram problems
In-Reply-To: <20090210084854.3f4a083e@Prem6s.lanvoc>
References: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop>
 <20090210084854.3f4a083e@Prem6s.lanvoc>
Message-ID: <871179400902100232t42cbf247n421dc193848c36b@mail.gmail.com>

Just a guess, but it seems that the intel iwl driver is not playing
nice with suspend.
Try to also remove this module before suspend.

best,

Hendrik-Jan

2009/2/10 Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric Boiteux :
> Le Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:12:41 +0100,
> Marco Vittorini Orgeas  a =C3=A9crit :
>
>>...
>> .I have tried to understand
>> where lenny looks for modules to be rmmoded before actually suspend
>> but I was not successfull, or better: around there is such confusion
>> on the topic that I can't seem to understand which files or script
>> gnome uses to make the system sleeps (acpi,hibernate.conf etc...
>> googling get you a "babele" of different informations)...so if
>> someone could be so kind to clear the situation and point me in the
>> right direction would be very appreciated.
>
> You have to put a shell script in /etc/pm/config.d/, with definition :
>
> SUSPEND_MODULES=3D"ehci_hcd"
>
> (you can also look at =C2=AB man pm-suspend =C2=BB).
>
>
> For the other topics, I can't help, sorry.
>
>        Fred.
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 11:24:24 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Micha Feigin)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:24:24 +0200
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
 <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <20090210132424.65c6465c@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:30:03 +0100
Yves-Alexis Perez  wrote:

> On lun, 2009-02-09 at 21:59 -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
> > 
> > My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
> > configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
> > graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
> > projector. None of this works on my T40p.
> 
> Avoid nvidia at all cost.

My only problem with nvidia is that it hangs for about a minute on resume.
There are also some problems with constantly rotating the screen with xfwm (in
4.4 compositing had to be disabled/enabled, in 4.6 it doesn't always maximize
windows correctly).
3D works great, compositing works without a hitch, movies play, even several at
a time.
I do cuda development and that works great also (although doing math on your
primary display can have it's side effects).

This is on a t61 with nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M laptop and a quadcore
with geforce 8600 in another. The latest binary driver from nvidia (180.22 on
one machine and 180.25 on another), though not the one in the debian
repository. I use xrandr for rotating the screen and nvidia-settings for
controlling the external display. No issues with an external flat panel and
external projector. Haven't tried multiple desktops for presentation. Had some
problems with full screen in such scenarios (window maximized to cover both
desktop instead of current one), didn't have to much time to play with it
though.

Power control also seems to be ok, although a discrete graphics card is more
power hungry than integrated graphics (I can get the machine to around 16w-17w
with some work and while not abusing it)

> 
> > I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.
> 
> Avoid fglrx driver (binary driver). radeon/radeonhd work fine
> 
> If you want the best support, use intel graphics. It works pretty fine
> and is even powerful enough for ~some~ 3D stuff. If you badly need 3D
> stuff, then: radeon/radeonhd > nvidia > fglrx
> 
> nouveau is not really usable at the moment and nvidia driver is known to
> do bad stuff with some compositing (xfwm compositer for example) and you
> can't debug anything, as always with crappy binary stuff.
> 
> Cheers,

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 12:40:22 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Philipp Kern)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:40:22 +0100
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <20090210124022.GA7344@durotan.0x539.de>

--rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 07:30:03AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.
> Avoid fglrx driver (binary driver). radeon/radeonhd work fine

It depends on the chip you have.  If you have an "older" not brand new
you should be "safe".

> If you want the best support, use intel graphics. It works pretty fine
> and is even powerful enough for ~some~ 3D stuff. If you badly need 3D
> stuff, then: radeon/radeonhd > nvidia > fglrx

Right, radeon supports xrandr (which is nice, especially when you need to
connect the laptop to a projector) and also basic 3D.  (Although I did
not get compiz running personally and 3D is much slower than with fglrx.
It is accelerated, though.)

Kind regards,
Philipp Kern
--=20
 .''`.  Philipp Kern                        Debian Developer
: :' :  http://philkern.de                         Release Assistant
`. `'   xmpp:phil@0x539.de                         Stable Release Manager
  `-    finger pkern/key@db.debian.org

--rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAkmRdbYACgkQ7Ro5M7LPzdjYogCgtL0UaztjjoTqpjG6A7Y6VLyA
HRsAn3sx4pgKQMdmcRPeZeH9eG2yqkhk
=+5o3
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 12:50:34 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:50:34 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problem with trackpoint
Message-ID: <80260017e63b591bc88b08d3000002f4@85.127.204.42>

--b1_80260017e63b591bc88b08d3000002f4
Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> Does it work after an X server restart? I read something about a race
> condition between the start of the HAL daemon and the X server.

I can't confirm this. I do have other problems with the nvidia GLX driver
which refuses me to give me a X11-session after stopping X or switching to a
(real) terminal. For sure I can confirm however, that /dev/input/mouse0
doesn't give me anything even on a real terminal after X has been stopped. 

> The Xorg log of a failed X server start would also be helpful I think.

Attached.  
 --
 Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP
autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it: http://www.email.it/f

 Sponsor:
 In cerca dell'anima gemella? Prova con Meetic, puoi conoscere centinaia di
single e chattare anche con la webcam
 Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=8289&d=20090210

--b1_80260017e63b591bc88b08d3000002f4
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Xorg.0.log"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Xorg.0.log"
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--b1_80260017e63b591bc88b08d3000002f4--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 15:05:58 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Chris Schumann)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:05:58 -0600
Subject: [ltp] How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
Message-ID: <499197D6.5030507@idlelion.net>

Hey Bill,

I can't speak to the Wanything, but I have a T60 with an ATI chip.

I'm using Fedora Google Earth flies (or it did last time it worked). 
OK... Fedora 9 worked a whole lot better than F10. F9 used ATI's driver, 
while F10 uses the new open sourced driver, which mostly works.

I've used two monitors, with mirrored and extended desktop. It's not as 
seamless as Vista, which notices a monitor being plugged in and asks 
what you want to do about it, but it does work.

And if that still didn't convince you, and money's tight, the T61/p have 
nVidia chips, and even Intel's chips aren't so bad these days.

Chris

Bill Wohler wrote:
> My T40p is dying.
> 
> I'm looking at the W500, but I'm concerned that I might have the same
> trouble with the ATI video card that I have had with the one in this
> box. I've never been able to use the accelerated graphics. Google
> Earth and Stellarium are unusable.
> 
> My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
> configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
> graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
> projector. None of this works on my T40p.
> 
> I therefore want to avoid the ATI trap on my next ThinkPad.
> 
> Everything about the W500 looks good except for the video card. Has
> anyone out there, particularly Debian folks, had success video-wise
> with this laptop? Or should I opt for the W700 (which isn't as mobile
> as I'd like) that does have an nVidia card? Are there plans for a W500
> model with an nVidia card and is it soon enough that the duct tape
> will hold?
> 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 18:20:51 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Daniel Castro)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:20:51 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Re: How does a uevent work for dock/undock on thinkpads?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

Message-ID: 

--001485f796e214664e0462948c61
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you very much. This helped a lot and I got it working, it is quite
easy actually. I'll post it on ThinkWiki.

Just one more question:

So whenever a ACPI (lid open or close) or HAL (dock or undock) event is
called and runs the script that scripts is run as root. And I'm calling from
there another script which is on my home directory.
If I run the script on my directory with my user it works fine. But when
root runs the scripts it will not find the command.

More specifically I'm trying to change the status of Piding using
purple-remote and it will throw an error saying:
/home/myuser/lid_scripts/pidginaway: line 5: No: command not found

The script pidginaway just contains:
`purple-remote "setstatus?status=away&message=My laptop's lid is closed
which means I'm moving around... Should be back soon!"`

Same sort of thing would happen for the HAL dock/undock event.

I tried running the script from the first call root does as:
su -l myuser -c "/path/to/the/script"

Anyone knows what I'm missing?

Thanks!

2009/2/8 Stefan Monnier 

> > I know nothing about udev or HAL. Is there a simple way to do what
> > I want to do?  I would appreciate if anyone could give any help
> > or direction.
>
> It should be possible to write a simple file to put into
> /etc/udev/rules.d that will run your script whenever you dock or undock.
> The problem is to figure out what these events look like so you can
> write rules that match.
>
> A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rules.d/00-trace.rules
> that just contains:
>
>   NAME==".*", RUN+="printenv | logger -t udevd"
>
> this will spam your syslog with a lot of info about each and every
> udev event.  Then you can look for the ones that correspond to
> docking&undocking.
>
>
>        Stefan
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
>

-- 
________________________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie
________________________

--001485f796e214664e0462948c61
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you very much. This helped a lot and I got it working, it is quite ea=
sy actually. I'll post it on ThinkWiki.

Just one more question:<=
br>
So whenever a ACPI (lid open or close) or HAL (dock or undock) event=
 is called and runs the script that scripts is run as root. And I'm cal=
ling from there another script which is on my home directory.

If I run the script on my directory with my user it works fine. But when ro=
ot runs the scripts it will not find the command.

More specifically =
I'm trying to change the status of Piding using purple-remote and it wi=
ll throw an error saying:

/home/myuser/lid_scripts/pidginaway: line 5: No: command not found

T=
he script pidginaway just contains:
`purple-remote "setstatus?statu=
s=3Daway&message=3DMy laptop's lid is closed which means I'm mo=
ving around... Should be back soon!"`

Same sort of thing would happen for the HAL dock/undock event.

I=
 tried running the script from the first call root does as:
su -l myuser=
 -c "/path/to/the/script"

Anyone knows what I'm missin=
g?

Thanks!

2009/2/8 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.um=
ontreal.ca>

> I know nothing about udev or HAL. Is there a sim=
ple way to do what

> I want to do?  I would appreciate if anyone could give any help
> or direction.

It should be possible to write a simple file to put into

/etc/udev/rules.d that will run your script whenever you dock or undock.
The problem is to figure out what these events look like so you can

write rules that match.

A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rules.d/00-trace.rules

that just contains:

   NAME=3D=3D".*", RUN+=3D"printenv | logger -t udevd&q=
uot;

this will spam your syslog with a lot of info about each and every

udev event.  Then you can look for the ones that correspond to

docking&undocking.

        Stefan

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

-- 
________________=
________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie

________________________

--001485f796e214664e0462948c61--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 19:11:46 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Arno Trautmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:11:46 +0100
Subject: [ltp] external screen
Message-ID: <4991D172.3050001@gmx.de>

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156)
--------------enigD072AFC6D980DC9023FC63CA
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I have an external screen adapted to my X61s. If I boot the machine
connected to the screen, everything is fine. But booting without
connection does not allow me to use it. I try it with xrandr:

Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 2048 x 768
VGA connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
   1024x768       60.0 +   75.1     75.0     70.1     60.0
   832x624        74.6
   800x600        72.2     75.0     60.3     56.2
   640x480        75.0     72.8     72.8     75.0     66.7     60.0
59.9
   720x400        70.1
LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
246mm x 185mm
   1024x768       50.0*+   60.0     40.0
   800x600        60.3     56.2
   640x480        60.0     59.9

This I get with the monitor plugged in /after/ booting. I get the same
if the monitor power is on or off =E2=80=93 but unplugging it, I get

VGA disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

So is there any chance to get it working without restarting the machine
or X?

Linux tiger 2.6.28-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 25 10:13:11 UTC 2009 i686
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU L7500 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

Thanks for any help,
Arno

--------------enigD072AFC6D980DC9023FC63CA
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmR0XIACgkQcYXUw/rerZ733ACfeUflrVNRCosdvuJlJiCSqDWM
RY0An2vA13+U7vdSXiQhb7S5WvBRhm3R
=GfnK
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--------------enigD072AFC6D980DC9023FC63CA--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 19:24:48 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Arno Trautmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:24:48 +0100
Subject: [ltp] external screen
In-Reply-To: <4991D172.3050001@gmx.de>
References: <4991D172.3050001@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4991D480.70708@gmx.de>

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156)
--------------enigC67A0C989201B724836BC548
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, I didn=E2=80=99t mention the problem itself=E2=80=A6 when the scre=
en is connected
after booting, I get the output of xrandr -q as posted. But I don=E2=80=99=
t see
any singnal on the screen. /that/ is the problem=E2=80=A6
Plugging it in and then booting gives me fine dual-screen.

Arno

--------------enigC67A0C989201B724836BC548
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmR1IEACgkQcYXUw/rerZ7yRwCgnoYkczErwBVCiS1emVRUclL3
AkMAoI88Pq8Hcec6RLdU665h9BszT/0s
=jBSZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--------------enigC67A0C989201B724836BC548--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 19:34:14 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Karsten =?utf-8?q?K=C3=B6nig?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:34:14 +0100
Subject: [ltp] external screen
In-Reply-To: <4991D480.70708@gmx.de>
References: <4991D172.3050001@gmx.de> <4991D480.70708@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <200902102034.14976.remur@gmx.net>

Am Dienstag 10 Februar 2009 20:24:48 schrieb Arno Trautmann:
> Sorry, I didn=E2=80=99t mention the problem itself=E2=80=A6 when the scre=
en is connected
> after booting, I get the output of xrandr -q as posted. But I don=E2=80=
=99t see
> any singnal on the screen. /that/ is the problem=E2=80=A6
> Plugging it in and then booting gives me fine dual-screen.

You need to activate a mode with xrandr.

=46or your case as example:
'xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768 --right-of LVDS'

(should be obvious what will happen I hope =3D) )

there are ways to do it graphically with gnome, kde, etc..., they are all=20
based on xrandr anyways...

Karsten

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 21:13:25 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Arno Trautmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:13:25 +0100
Subject: [ltp] external screen
In-Reply-To: <200902102034.14976.remur@gmx.net>
References: <4991D172.3050001@gmx.de> <4991D480.70708@gmx.de> <200902102034.14976.remur@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4991EDF5.1080804@gmx.de>

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156)
--------------enig7A0F719E0BD468A90FDF7CD6
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Karsten K=C3=B6nig wrote:
> Am Dienstag 10 Februar 2009 20:24:48 schrieb Arno Trautmann:
>> Sorry, I didn=E2=80=99t mention the problem itself=E2=80=A6 when the s=
creen is connected
>> after booting, I get the output of xrandr -q as posted. But I don=E2=80=
=99t see
>> any singnal on the screen. /that/ is the problem=E2=80=A6
>> Plugging it in and then booting gives me fine dual-screen.
>=20
> You need to activate a mode with xrandr.
>=20
> For your case as example:
> 'xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768 --right-of LVDS'
>=20
> (should be obvious what will happen I hope =3D) )

Ah=E2=80=A6 the mode was missing=E2=80=A6 it works fine, thanks very much=
!

As it is related to this, I have a second question: In our department we
have an annoying beamer that only work in some cases =E2=80=93 mostly we =
have
big problems with laptops. It works with mine, if I had the external
screen connected at home, unplugged it and connected the beamer =E2=80=93=

without shutting down the machine. (suspend to ram is ok)
But if I boot with the beamer on and connected, there is no signal to
the beamer =E2=80=93 but doing the same with my screen gives the boot-out=
put on
the screen. Moreover, I don=E2=80=99t see the output on my laptop screen =
(like
bootmenu) =E2=80=93 and no signal on the beamer.

Does anyone have a guess how I could get the signal to the beamer? I
hope, the description is sufficient.

Thanks,
Arno

--------------enig7A0F719E0BD468A90FDF7CD6
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmR7fUACgkQcYXUw/rerZ56JgCeNfzpcwIIfV+MFh+mN5hWoVPQ
IccAnjIbss9woF7pbYh8dsMOK6WzbrLo
=7H2q
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--------------enig7A0F719E0BD468A90FDF7CD6--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 22:24:15 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marco Vittorini Orgeas)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:24:15 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Fresh Lenny install and suspend to ram problems
In-Reply-To: <871179400902100232t42cbf247n421dc193848c36b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop> <20090210084854.3f4a083e@Prem6s.lanvoc> <871179400902100232t42cbf247n421dc193848c36b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090210222414.GA13612@marco.laptop>

I solved the problem: actually a lot of things became clearer after have read http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend, which explain a bit what the system does whenever one push the sleep button.
The first half of the problem is solved by adding a file called /etc/pm/config.d/01config with the following line as suggested by "man pm-suspend":
SUSPEND_MODULES="ehci_hcd"

The second half of the problem required a bit more testing.In my case I had to add to the same over-mentioned file the following line:
ADD_PARAMETERS="--quirk-vbe-post --quirk-vbemode-restore"

This is required for the problem of the monitor that after resume remains black.(this quirks seem to be indeed required for the X11 nv driver with nvidia quadro nv140m)
At this point the system doesn't yet perform a completely resume from suspend and my system needs another change.
The system was like stuck and half-moon wasn't blink at all during the resume.
I had to edit this file /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/20-video-quirk-pm-lenovo.fdi and to the corresponding section that matches my model number (6460) I had to change this line 
true
to
false

This is probably due to a bios problem, or better: this quirk probably is needed for old thinkpad bios version.I have the latest updated bios version as of 10-02-09, so this bios seems to not require anymore this quirk.
Probably this should be filed to someone who can better manage this mismatch...

At the moment the only thing I can't manage is how to check out that I am really using the X11 nv driver: lsmod reports nothing but a nvram , which I guess isn't related to what I am looking for.

Anyway thank you for your suggests

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 10 23:46:33 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Andrew Mason)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:16:33 +1030
Subject: [ltp] X200 Fan and 2.02 Update
Message-ID: <99cd336d0902101546v4d3a29ffqc49a989142193c89@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
Was wondering if anyone had applied the 2.02 BIOS update for the X200
and if so did this make any difference to the power consumption and or
fan issues under Linux ?

Thanks in advance.
Andrew

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 01:02:28 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Holger Levsen)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:02:28 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo> 
Message-ID: <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>

--nextPart1436196.6OBrD9I0Z3
Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="iso-8859-15"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline

Hi,

On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
> Watching video on my X200s doesn't work at all and using a projector
> doesn't work as it should.

I assume you are using the vesa driver. You need newer xorg. No problems=20
here :-D

regards,
	Holger

--nextPart1436196.6OBrD9I0Z3
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc 
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQBJkiOkUHLQNqxYNSARAlUJAJ9bb5Lo/50vm1JdogqTUj2WAlGZJACgwR9W
Xdq8jHCPQsrDG7AVuv4pCnc=
=dogk
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--nextPart1436196.6OBrD9I0Z3--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 04:53:28 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (John Li)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:53:28 -0500
Subject: [ltp] X200 Fan and 2.02 Update
In-Reply-To: <99cd336d0902101546v4d3a29ffqc49a989142193c89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99cd336d0902101546v4d3a29ffqc49a989142193c89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090211045328.GA2959@circularly.org>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:16:33AM +1030, Andrew Mason wrote:
> Hi All,
> Was wondering if anyone had applied the 2.02 BIOS update for the X200
> and if so did this make any difference to the power consumption and or
> fan issues under Linux ?

Hi Andrew,

I'm using 2.02 on my X200 and the fan issue is still occuring for me.
Power consumption isn't significantly different.

-John

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 07:06:20 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Bill Wohler)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:06:20 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>

Yves-Alexis Perez  writes:

> On lun, 2009-02-09 at 21:59 -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
>> 
>> My desktop at work has an nVidia card. I was able to install and
>> configure the Debian nVidia packages easily, and the accelerated
>> graphics work fine! And it works with two monitors. And I can use a
>> projector. None of this works on my T40p.
>
> Avoid nvidia at all cost.

?

> If you want the best support, use intel graphics. It works pretty fine
> and is even powerful enough for ~some~ 3D stuff. If you badly need 3D
> stuff, then: radeon/radeonhd > nvidia > fglrx

I'm using radeon now, and the 3D graphics is definitely not
accelerated. I've never been able to get fglrx working on my box.
Karsten KÃ¶nig  writes:
> Current intel driver seems to have regressions, but still the point
> remains valid, an Intelcard is the best you can do for linux right
> now and in the near future.

Thanks for that info.

> Might I ask why the W500 and not the T500?

I can't remember why I preferred the W500 before, but keeping an open
eye to the Intel graphics card, assuming it can handle Google Earth
(yes?), it's worth taking another look at the T500. Looking...

Can Linux take advantage of the "Intel Turbo Memory hard drive cache"
or the "Smart Card Reader"?

To allow for growth, how are the drivers for Intel WiMAX/WiFi Link
5350? Or should I just get the Intel WiFi Link 5300?

One last decision: I'm torn between the reportedly brighter colors and
better battery life of the LED backlight, and the higher resolution of
the standard display. Any opinions on whether the LED backlight trumps
higher resolution?

Thanks for the feedback all.

-- 
Bill Wohler   http://www.newt.com/wohler/  GnuPG ID:610BD9AD

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 08:06:42 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Micha Feigin)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:06:42 +0200
Subject: [ltp] using a second monitor with t60
Message-ID: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>

Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with a t60
Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?

Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?

Thanks

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 08:43:26 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Daniel Castro)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:43:26 +0000
Subject: [ltp] using a second monitor with t60
In-Reply-To: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
References: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: 

--001636c5b52ee7de790462a0988d
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

2009/2/11 Micha Feigin 

> Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with a
> t60
> Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?
>
> Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?

i have a t61 and i beleive i have the same card... i use it on a docking
station and only mirror the display... since i changed my life to linux and
discovered that you can have as many desktops as you want (on the same
screen) i stopped using dual screen...
but i'll try to set it dual this evening and i'll let u know...

>
>
> Thanks
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
>

-- 
________________________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie
________________________

--001636c5b52ee7de790462a0988d
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/2/11 Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il>

Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with a=
 t60

Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?

Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?
i have a=
 t61 and i beleive i have the same card... i use it on a docking station an=
d only mirror the display... since i changed my life to linux and discovere=
d that you can have as many desktops as you want (on the same screen) i sto=
pped using dual screen...

but i'll try to set it dual this evening and i'll let u know... 

Thanks

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

-- 
________________=
________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie

________________________

--001636c5b52ee7de790462a0988d--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 08:53:06 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Bastholm)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:53:06 +0100
Subject: [ltp] using a second monitor with t60
In-Reply-To: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
References: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: 

--0016e6d9a13b81a9e90462a0bbad
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

mirroring works on my t60. Don't know about dual screen, Ive never used tha=
t
in linux.

V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Micha Feigin  wrote:

> Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with=
 a
> t60
> Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?
>
> Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?
>

--0016e6d9a13b81a9e90462a0bbad
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

mirroring works on my t60. Don't know about dual screen, Ive never used=
 that in linux.

V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adri=
an Bastholm

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:06 =
AM, Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:

Anyone has experi=
ence with getting the signal to an external monitor with a t60

Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?

Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?

--0016e6d9a13b81a9e90462a0bbad--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 09:36:41 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marcus Better)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:36:41 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: using a second monitor with t60
References: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: 

Micha Feigin wrote:
> Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with
> a t60 Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME,

I have it working with my R60 with 945GM. Dual screen works fine.

There is an annoying limitation that it cannot do DRI if the virtual screen 
is no larger than 2048x2048. That is easy to hit with two screens beside 
each other.

Cheers,

Marcus

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 09:38:50 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:38:50 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>  <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>
Message-ID: 

Holger Levsen schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
>> Watching video on my X200s doesn't work at all and using a projector
>> doesn't work as it should.
> 
> I assume you are using the vesa driver. You need newer xorg. No problems 
> here :-D

No, I'm not using the vesa driver. And I really doubt that Compiz would 
run with the vesa driver. :-) As I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 I guess I'm using 
a quite new Xorg. What's your version of Xorg and kernel? Does Google 
Earth work for you?

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 09:44:44 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:44:44 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo> <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
Message-ID: 

Bill Wohler schrieb:
> Yves-Alexis Perez  writes:

[...]

>> Might I ask why the W500 and not the T500?
> 
> I can't remember why I preferred the W500 before, but keeping an open
> eye to the Intel graphics card, assuming it can handle Google Earth
> (yes?), [...]

For me (X200s, GMA 4500MHD) Google Earth doesn't really work.

> Can Linux take advantage of [...] the "Smart Card Reader"?

On my X200s again it works.

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 12:52:18 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Holger Levsen)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:52:18 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org> 
Message-ID: <200902111352.18404.holger@layer-acht.org>

--nextPart1362590.9fedD0Kub2
Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="iso-8859-15"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline

Hi,

On Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
> As I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 I guess I'm using a quite new Xorg.=20

No idea whats in it, but 2008-10 is too old.

> What's your version of Xorg and kernel? =20

ii  xserver-xorg-video-inte 2:2.6.1-1    =20
ii  linux-image-2.6.27-1-686                                =20
2.6.27-1~experimental.1~snapshot.12516=20

> Does Google=20
> Earth work for you?

http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/WckbvwEHv4g/article.pl - I=
=20
know it only speaks of MacOS (atm), but I try to stay away from evil.

regards,
	Holger

--nextPart1362590.9fedD0Kub2
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc 
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQBJksoCUHLQNqxYNSARAmgWAJ49lQsfUCMuukvPA6jzWqUia1W8QACfWGpW
kkTZFyW+IMF/AQNOdGyzerY=
=r23s
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--nextPart1362590.9fedD0Kub2--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 13:13:06 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:13:06 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <200902111352.18404.holger@layer-acht.org>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>  <200902111352.18404.holger@layer-acht.org>
Message-ID: 

Holger Levsen schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
>> As I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 I guess I'm using a quite new Xorg. 
> 
> No idea whats in it, but 2008-10 is too old.
> 
>> What's your version of Xorg and kernel?  
> 
> ii  xserver-xorg-video-inte 2:2.6.1-1     

It's a pain ... 2008-10 is really too old, 8.10 ships with 2.4.1. I wait 
for 9.04 :-/.

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 13:35:12 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Andrew Mason)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:05:12 +1030
Subject: [ltp] X200 Fan and 2.02 Update
In-Reply-To: <20090211045328.GA2959@circularly.org>
References: <99cd336d0902101546v4d3a29ffqc49a989142193c89@mail.gmail.com>
 <20090211045328.GA2959@circularly.org>
Message-ID: <99cd336d0902110535w1d210b97s6a256371d6ed5806@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply John.

On 2/11/09, John Li  wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:16:33AM +1030, Andrew Mason wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Was wondering if anyone had applied the 2.02 BIOS update for the X200
>> and if so did this make any difference to the power consumption and or
>> fan issues under Linux ?
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I'm using 2.02 on my X200 and the fan issue is still occuring for me.
> Power consumption isn't significantly different.
>
> -John
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 14:48:16 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Bill Wohler)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:48:16 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>  <200902111352.18404.holger@layer-acht.org>
Message-ID: <87prhpdo7j.fsf@olgas.newt.com>

Holger Levsen  writes:

> ii  xserver-xorg-video-inte 2:2.6.1-1     

Thanks!

-- 
Bill Wohler   http://www.newt.com/wohler/  GnuPG ID:610BD9AD

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 18:13:16 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:13:16 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo> <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
Message-ID: <20090211181316.GA13808@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Bill Wohler wrote:
> Yves-Alexis Perez  writes:
> > Avoid nvidia at all cost.
> 
> ?

You are going to have a lead weight piece of crap in ~2 years, when they
drop support.  Which they will.  They have what, three or four *legacy*
video drivers already?  Each of them require updates every one or two kernel
releases to even compile, let alone keep working... this is NOT going to
scale forever.

I want my laptops to last for five years, so nVidia is out right away for
that "legacy driver" crap alone.  Even if I would replace them every year, I
still want to be free to use whatever kernel I want, and that ALSO kicks
nVidia out of the picture right away.

> I'm using radeon now, and the 3D graphics is definitely not
> accelerated. I've never been able to get fglrx working on my box.

If you have DRI properly set up, it will be.  My T43 running Debian Lenny,
with a ATI X300, *IS* accelerated.  I do not use fglrx, but rather the
free radeon drivers for X.org.

That said, fglrx also works (including for suspend/resume, with the
appropriate video quirks).  But I don't trust its stability.

> Can Linux take advantage of the "Intel Turbo Memory hard drive cache"
> or the "Smart Card Reader"?

Just the Smart Card Reader.  Forget about the Intel TMHDC, it is lead weight
and probably something really badly designed if Intel hasn't seen fit to
release information for a Linux driver to be written yet.

I can't say much about the rest.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 18:54:14 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:54:14 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <20090211181316.GA13808@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo> <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <20090211181316.GA13808@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <49931ED6.7090602@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Bill Wohler wrote:
>> Yves-Alexis Perez  writes:
>>> Avoid nvidia at all cost.
>> ?
> 
> You are going to have a lead weight piece of crap in ~2 years, when they
> drop support.  Which they will.  They have what, three or four *legacy*
> video drivers already?  Each of them require updates every one or two kernel
> releases to even compile, let alone keep working... this is NOT going to
> scale forever.

To be fair to Nvidia, they are still supporting the FX5200 card that I 
bought 5 years ago, when it was high-end.

One might hope for some good results from the nouveau project by that 
time.  http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

Also, there's always the vesa driver. With a fast CPU, it's really not bad.

Richard

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 19:36:06 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:36:06 +0100
Subject: [ltp] using a second monitor with t60
In-Reply-To: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
References: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: <20090211193606.GB30312@platonas>

--QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:06:42AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with=
 a t60
> Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?
>=20
> Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?

It can do both.  See http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html

Marius Gedminas
--=20
It's not illegal to disagree with my opinions (*).
[...]
(*) Although it obviously _should_ be. Mwhaahahahahaaa... You unbelievers
will all be shot when the revolution comes!
		-- Linus Torvalds

--QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJkyimkVdEXeem148RAt0qAJ0SlxrJs199LkzZn7M1JA58WluFkACeKXB2
+ha650W1AVFsgnLn3tfvQi4=
=tdLB
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 20:11:22 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Daniel Castro)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:11:22 +0000
Subject: [ltp] using a second monitor with t60
In-Reply-To: <20090211193606.GB30312@platonas>
References: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
 <20090211193606.GB30312@platonas>
Message-ID: 

--001636c5986024241d0462aa3568
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

so yes.... i have tried and it works fine....

2009/2/11 Marius Gedminas 

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:06:42AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor wi=
th
> a t60
> > Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller=
?
> >
> > Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?
>
> It can do both.  See http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
>
> Marius Gedminas
> --
> It's not illegal to disagree with my opinions (*).
> [...]
> (*) Although it obviously _should_ be. Mwhaahahahahaaa... You unbelievers
> will all be shot when the revolution comes!
>                -- Linus Torvalds
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iD8DBQFJkyimkVdEXeem148RAt0qAJ0SlxrJs199LkzZn7M1JA58WluFkACeKXB2
> =E8=96=AE=EB=A7=91=E6=B5=80=E5=91=9B=E2=82=9C=EB=A7=B7=EB=97=BB=EF=BF=BD=
=3D
> =3DtdLB
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>

--=20
________________________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie
________________________

--001636c5986024241d0462aa3568
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

so yes.... i have tried and it works fine....

2009/2/11 Marius Gedminas <marius@gedmin.as>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:06:42AM +0200, Micha Feigi=
n wrote:

> Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor w=
ith a t60

> Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controlle=
r?

>

> Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?

It can do both.  See http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhe=
ad.html

Marius Gedminas

--

It's not illegal to disagree with my opinions (*).

[...]

(*) Although it obviously _should_ be. Mwhaahahahahaaa... You unbelievers
will all be shot when the revolution comes!

                -- Linus Torvalds

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJkyimkVdEXeem148RAt0qAJ0SlxrJs199LkzZn7M1JA58WluFkACeKXB2

=E8=96=AE=EB=A7=91=E6=B5=80=E5=91=9B=E2=82=9C=EB=A7=B7=EB=97=BB=EF=BF=BD=3D=

=3DtdLB

-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-- 
___________________=
_____

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie

________________________

--001636c5986024241d0462aa3568--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 11 21:03:30 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Damjan)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:03:30 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How does a uevent work for dock/undock on thinkpads?
In-Reply-To: 
References:  
Message-ID: <20090211210330.GB21228@legolas.on.net.mk>

> A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rules.d/00-trace.rules
> that just contains:
> 
>    NAME==".*", RUN+="printenv | logger -t udevd"

udevadm monitor will do the same thing

-- 
damjan | Ð´Ð°Ð¼Ñ˜Ð°Ð½
This is my jabber ID -->         damjan@bagra.net.mk 
 -- not my mail address, it's a Jabber ID --^ :)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 01:31:37 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:31:37 -0600
Subject: [ltp] using a second monitor with t60
In-Reply-To: <20090211193606.GB30312@platonas>
References: <20090211100642.5076fb43@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090211193606.GB30312@platonas>
Message-ID: <20090212013137.GA13403@n0nb.us>

* Marius Gedminas  [2009 Feb 11 13:40 -0600]:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:06:42AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > Anyone has experience with getting the signal to an external monitor with a t60
> > Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller?
> > 
> > Can it do dual screen or only mirror the display?
> 
> It can do both.  See http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html

I tackled this today with a T41 and found this page which was quite
helpful:

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2

I found that reconfiguring the xserver-xorg package (Debian Unstable)
left me with an almost empty xorg.conf, but it worked!  I was playing
with a Samsung 22 inch LCD TV and it worked out very well.  I didn't
try multi-screen, though I have no doubt that it probably would have
worked.

- Nate >>

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 07:25:18 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:25:18 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <49931ED6.7090602@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
 <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo> <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
 <20090211181316.GA13808@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <49931ED6.7090602@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1234423518.4417.2.camel@hidalgo>

--=-7cyIKzPtrnjXcC1B8QXt
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On mer, 2009-02-11 at 18:54 +0000, Richard Neill wrote:
> Also, there's always the vesa driver. With a fast CPU, it's really not
> bad.

If you use the vesa driver for not wanting an Intel card in the first
place, I will question your sanity :)
--=20
Yves-Alexis

--=-7cyIKzPtrnjXcC1B8QXt
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEABECAAYFAkmTztkACgkQTUTAIMXAW6403ACfW3t4Ib3OceC5Iqyae3lqeAQZ
/AIAoLkISvAS8+DnOCAJTrvF6Ot6H+iX
=/wxc
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--=-7cyIKzPtrnjXcC1B8QXt--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 07:26:00 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Leszek Koltunski)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:26:00 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [ltp] Fresh Lenny install and suspend to ram problems
In-Reply-To: <20090210222414.GA13612@marco.laptop>
References: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop> <20090210084854.3f4a083e@Prem6s.lanvoc> <871179400902100232t42cbf247n421dc193848c36b@mail.gmail.com> <20090210222414.GA13612@marco.laptop>
Message-ID: 

> At the moment the only thing I can't manage is how to check out that I 
> am really using the X11 nv driver: lsmod reports nothing but a nvram , 
> which I guess isn't related to what I am looking for.

Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it will say which driver it is using.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 15:35:44 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:35:44 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>  <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org> 
Message-ID: <20090212153544.GA31791@dose.home.local>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:38:50 +0100, Christoph Bier wrote:
> Holger Levsen schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
>>> Watching video on my X200s doesn't work at all and using a projector
>>> doesn't work as it should.
>>
>> I assume you are using the vesa driver. You need newer xorg. No 
>> problems here :-D
>
> No, I'm not using the vesa driver. And I really doubt that Compiz would  
> run with the vesa driver. :-) As I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 I guess I'm using  
> a quite new Xorg. What's your version of Xorg and kernel? Does Google  
> Earth work for you?

AFAIK the textured video XV port is disabled in the intel graphics
driver in Ubuntu 8.10, to workaround broken video with Compiz.  The
X200s has a very new graphics chipset, which only has a textured video
XV port (no video overlay anymore), so you end up with no XV port at
all.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 19:43:44 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:43:44 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <20090212153544.GA31791@dose.home.local>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>  <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>  <20090212153544.GA31791@dose.home.local>
Message-ID: <20090212194344.GE32663@platonas>

--maH1Gajj2nflutpK
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 04:35:44PM +0100, Tino Keitel wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:38:50 +0100, Christoph Bier wrote:
> > Holger Levsen schrieb:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
> >>> Watching video on my X200s doesn't work at all and using a projector
> >>> doesn't work as it should.
> >>
> >> I assume you are using the vesa driver. You need newer xorg. No=20
> >> problems here :-D
> >
> > No, I'm not using the vesa driver. And I really doubt that Compiz would=
 =20
> > run with the vesa driver. :-) As I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 I guess I'm usin=
g =20
> > a quite new Xorg. What's your version of Xorg and kernel? Does Google =
=20
> > Earth work for you?
>=20
> AFAIK the textured video XV port is disabled in the intel graphics
> driver in Ubuntu 8.10, to workaround broken video with Compiz.

It's not disabled (xvinfo shows both on my GM965), but I think Ubuntu
ships a patch that changes the default preference to the overlay.

> The
> X200s has a very new graphics chipset, which only has a textured video
> XV port (no video overlay anymore), so you end up with no XV port at
> all.

Running xvinfo would answer that.

Marius Gedminas
--=20
CBQ is merely the oldest kid on the block - yet it is by far the least usef=
ul
qdisc and also the most complex one. I advise *against* using it. This may =
come
as something of a shock to many who fell for the 'sendmail effect', which
learns us that any complex technology which doesn't come with documentation
must be the best available.
		-- Linux Advanced Routing HOWTO

--maH1Gajj2nflutpK
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJlHvwkVdEXeem148RAtQLAJ0drDMCzuAgCZCb/1dlcHvstPcjxQCdFzzd
3rYfGydUm/Hve2J/S2nRA5I=
=RIy6
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--maH1Gajj2nflutpK--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 19:53:30 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (axp)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:53:30 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <20090212194344.GE32663@platonas>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>  <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>  <20090212153544.GA31791@dose.home.local> <20090212194344.GE32663@platonas>
Message-ID: <49947E3A.9010407@shacknet.at>

Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 04:35:44PM +0100, Tino Keitel wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:38:50 +0100, Christoph Bier wrote:
>>     
>>> Holger Levsen schrieb:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Dienstag, 10. Februar 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Watching video on my X200s doesn't work at all and using a projector
>>>>> doesn't work as it should.
>>>>>           
>>>> I assume you are using the vesa driver. You need newer xorg. No 
>>>> problems here :-D
>>>>         
>>> No, I'm not using the vesa driver. And I really doubt that Compiz would  
>>> run with the vesa driver. :-) As I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 I guess I'm using  
>>> a quite new Xorg. What's your version of Xorg and kernel? Does Google  
>>> Earth work for you?
>>>       
>> AFAIK the textured video XV port is disabled in the intel graphics
>> driver in Ubuntu 8.10, to workaround broken video with Compiz.
>>     
>
> It's not disabled (xvinfo shows both on my GM965), but I think Ubuntu
> ships a patch that changes the default preference to the overlay.
>
>   
>> The
>> X200s has a very new graphics chipset, which only has a textured video
>> XV port (no video overlay anymore), so you end up with no XV port at
>> all.
>>     
>
> Running xvinfo would answer that.
>
> Marius Gedminas
>   
Ubuntu 8.10  on a x301 but i guess the graphics are the same?!

ii  xserver-xorg                              
1:7.4~5ubuntu3                          the X.Org X server
ii  xserver-xorg-video-intel                   2:2.5.1-1ubuntu5~intrepid

smallz:~%xvinfo                                                                                                                        

X-Video Extension version 2.2
screen #0
  Adaptor #0: "Intel(R) Textured Video"
    number of ports: 16
    port base: 71
    operations supported: PutImage
    supported visuals:
      depth 24, visualID 0x21
    number of attributes: 2
      "XV_BRIGHTNESS" (range -128 to 127)
              client settable attribute
              client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
      "XV_CONTRAST" (range 0 to 255)
              client settable attribute
              client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
    maximum XvImage size: 1920 x 1088
    Number of image formats: 5
      id: 0x32595559 (YUY2)
        guid: 59555932-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
        bits per pixel: 16
        number of planes: 1
        type: YUV (packed)
      id: 0x32315659 (YV12)
        guid: 59563132-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
        bits per pixel: 12
        number of planes: 3
        type: YUV (planar)
      id: 0x30323449 (I420)
        guid: 49343230-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
        bits per pixel: 12
        number of planes: 3
        type: YUV (planar)
      id: 0x59565955 (UYVY)
        guid: 55595659-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
        bits per pixel: 16
        number of planes: 1
        type: YUV (packed)
      id: 0x434d5658 (XVMC)
        guid: 58564d43-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
        bits per pixel: 12
        number of planes: 3
        type: YUV (planar)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 20:40:22 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:40:22 +0100
Subject: [ltp] X301 and suspending the 3G card
Message-ID: <87ab8r5qyx.fsf@nemi.mork.no>

I have a minor problem with suspend/resume on my X301:  The 3G card
(Ericsson F3507g) is always powered off after such a cycle, regardless
of the state before suspend.  I've worked around it by copying the
bluetooth workaround already present in Debian Lenny (I realise this
uses a deprecated interface - that's just because I hope it's a
temporary hack):

bjorn@nemi:~$ cat /etc/pm/sleep.d/49wwan=20
#!/bin/sh
# IBM specific hack to disable/enable wwan.

. "${PM_FUNCTIONS}"

[ -f /proc/acpi/ibm/wan ] || exit $NA

suspend_wwan()
{
        if grep -q enabled /proc/acpi/ibm/wan; then
                savestate ibm_wwan enable
                echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/wan
        else
                savestate ibm_wwan disable
        fi
}

resume_wwan()
{
        state_exists ibm_wwan || return
        restorestate ibm_wwan > /proc/acpi/ibm/wan
}

case "$1" in
        hibernate|suspend)
                suspend_wwan
                ;;
        thaw|resume)
                resume_wwan
                ;;
        *) exit $NA
                ;;
esac

But I find this solution less than satisfying:

a) It causes the device to be completely disabled, requiring new
   configuration (enable GPS, connect to 3G network) after resume,
b) the device uses a lot of time to boot up,
c) the device gets a new device address on the usb bus for every resume

The most important is a), which makes it really difficult to maintain
state over suspend/resume.  There are *lots* of parameters that can be
tweaked on this card, using AT commands, and I have no idea how to
save/restore them in a reliable way (no, AT&W + ATZ will not do...)

But it's also quite annoying to have to wait an extra 10 seconds after
resume before the 3G card is available again.  The new device address is
only a cosmetic problem, but still...

BTW, the same problem seems to apply to bluetooth, and probably always
has - ref the default workaround implemented in Debian and probably
other distributions too.  It's just not as annoying since the bluetooth
module rarely is configured in any non-default way.

So, any advice on how to avoid the radio module poweroff on suspend is
appreciated.  I tried changing wan_suspend() to use
TP_ACPI_WGSV_PWR_ON_ON_RESUME instead of TP_ACPI_WGSV_PWR_OFF_ON_RESUME
but it didn't seem to make any difference.  I also tried unloading the
thinkpad_acpi module, but the card is always disabled without the module
and I can't find a way to enable it.

Which makes me grateful for the thinkpad_acpi module, which seems
essential for using this card at all...  Thanks for all the good work!

Bj=C3=B8rn
--=20
return -ENOCOFFEE;

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 22:18:56 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marco Vittorini Orgeas)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:18:56 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Fresh Lenny install and suspend to ram problems
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20090209211240.GC7035@marco.laptop> <20090210084854.3f4a083e@Prem6s.lanvoc> <871179400902100232t42cbf247n421dc193848c36b@mail.gmail.com> <20090210222414.GA13612@marco.laptop> 
Message-ID: <20090212221856.GA18517@marco.laptop>

>
>> At the moment the only thing I can't manage is how to check out that I  
>> am really using the X11 nv driver: lsmod reports nothing but a nvram ,  
>> which I guess isn't related to what I am looking for.
>
> Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it will say which driver it is using.

It reports something like:
(II) LoadModule: "nv"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so
(II) Module nv: vendor="X.Org Foundation"

that it's all correct,it says that X server load the nv module.
But is it possible that the kernel has no trace of it ?
Maybe it is just hide by some other X11 general module ??

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 13 06:59:25 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:59:25 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
In-Reply-To: <49947E3A.9010407@shacknet.at>
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>  <200902110202.35109.holger@layer-acht.org>  <20090212153544.GA31791@dose.home.local> <20090212194344.GE32663@platonas> <49947E3A.9010407@shacknet.at>
Message-ID: <20090213065925.GB28013@platonas>

--GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:53:30PM +0100, axp wrote:
> Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 04:35:44PM +0100, Tino Keitel wrote:
> >> AFAIK the textured video XV port is disabled in the intel graphics
> >> driver in Ubuntu 8.10, to workaround broken video with Compiz.
> >>    =20
> >
> > It's not disabled (xvinfo shows both on my GM965), but I think Ubuntu
> > ships a patch that changes the default preference to the overlay.
> >
> >  =20
> >> The
> >> X200s has a very new graphics chipset, which only has a textured video
> >> XV port (no video overlay anymore), so you end up with no XV port at
> >> all.
> >>    =20
> >
> > Running xvinfo would answer that.
> >  =20
> Ubuntu 8.10  on a x301 but i guess the graphics are the same?!

Well, no.  The GM965 chipset comes with Intel GMA X3100.
The X301 has a GM45 Express chipset with Intel GMA X4500HD.

IIRC for a while people claimed that GM965 doesn't have video overlay
hardware, then someone posted a patch enabling it and said it turned out
to actually (a) exist and (b) work just fine.  Still, I wouldn't be
surprised if the overlay hardware is missing in any newer Intel graphics
chipsets.

> X-Video Extension version 2.2
> screen #0
>   Adaptor #0: "Intel(R) Textured Video"

And this clearly shows that the textured video XV port is not disabled.

Marius Gedminas
--=20
The UNIX philosophy basically involves giving you enough rope to
hang yourself.  And then a couple of feet more, just to be sure.

--GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJlRpMkVdEXeem148RAgBZAJ4gdOt2lWs5J5HM+LC/tkF45vRgHQCeKBGc
4LnviaLFCksMeaoR80NUCI4=
=WlqC
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 18:56:28 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:56:28 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo>
 <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com>
Message-ID: 

> Can Linux take advantage of the "Intel Turbo Memory hard drive cache"?

I don't think anyone knows how to take advantage of this things.
Better just ignore it.

> or the "Smart Card Reader"?

That should "just work".

        Stefan

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 12 17:53:17 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:53:17 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: How does a uevent work for dock/undock on thinkpads?
References: 

 <20090211210330.GB21228@legolas.on.net.mk>
Message-ID: 

>> A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rules.d/00-trace.rules
>> that just contains:
>> 
>> NAME==".*", RUN+="printenv | logger -t udevd"

> udevadm monitor will do the same thing

Great, thanks.

        Stefan

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 13 10:17:09 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Per Dalgas Jakobsen)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:17:09 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Cannot get Ericsson F3507G to work with the Option module
Message-ID: <499548A5.9000904@knaldgas.dk>

I seem to have an issue with the "option" module...

When this module is loaded, enabling the F3507G card with
"echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/wwan_enable"
causes a number of /dev/ttyUSB? to be created.
None of these seems to be accessible by "cu"
---
$ cu -l /dev/USB0
Connected.

---
When I write "AT+CFUN=1" nothing is echoed, and nothing seems to work.
Then when killing the application with "killall cu" the application 
exits, and
"T+CFUN=1", is still in the keyboard buffer (send to the shell after cu has
closed).

I'm probably using it incorrectly. - Anyone know what I do wrong?

If I unload the option module, then it seems like the cdc_acm module takes
control instead, creating /dev/ttyACM[0-2] when the F3507G is activated.
These nodes, however, work as expected.

For the moment I have blacklisted the option module, but I'm uncertain if
this is the right approach.

I'm using Debian Lenny, with a slightly customized kernel 2.6.28.4 on a 
Lenovo x301.

~Per

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 13 12:12:58 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:12:58 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: Cannot get Ericsson F3507G to work with the Option module
In-Reply-To: <499548A5.9000904@knaldgas.dk> (Per Dalgas Jakobsen's message of
 "Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:17:09 +0100")
References: <499548A5.9000904@knaldgas.dk>
Message-ID: <87skmi4jsl.fsf@nemi.mork.no>

Per Dalgas Jakobsen  writes:

> I seem to have an issue with the "option" module...
>
> When this module is loaded, enabling the F3507G card with
> "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/wwan_enable"
> causes a number of /dev/ttyUSB? to be created.
> None of these seems to be accessible by "cu"

Don't use the "option" module.  Adding the F3507g vid/pid to it was
wrong, and it will be removed again.  See the discussion starting
with http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/14422

> If I unload the option module, then it seems like the cdc_acm module takes
> control instead, creating /dev/ttyACM[0-2] when the F3507G is activated.
> These nodes, however, work as expected.
>
> For the moment I have blacklisted the option module, but I'm uncertain if
> this is the right approach.

This is the correct workaround until the option driver is updated.

In addition to the three CDC ACM interfaces, there are two more classes
supported by the F3507g:

 CDC Device Management (2 "devices")
 CDC Mobile Direct Line (1 "device")

The first is supported by the cdc-wdm driver available in 2.6.29
(haven't checked exactly when it was added, but it is rather new).  It
will add two new devices you can send AT commands to /dev/cdc-wdm[01],
but not do any high speed data transfers over.  Quite useful, since the
three ACM devices are easily "lost" to GPS, SMS daemon and PPP.

The CDC Mobile Direct Line is actually a masqueraded CDC Ethernet
device. Ericsson has provided a driver which is mostly a copy of
cdc_ether.c.  Nice feature to have, but I've not been able to measure
any speed advantages compared to PPP on ttyACM0.  Still, fun to play
with :-)

The original Ericsson patch is available from=20
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/12875

Please not that the usbnet changes are only for interface naming and
strictly not necessary if you want to keep the driver isolated.

I've also made a stripped down version of it, just to see how little was
necessary: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/14624

The last article also includes the usage instructions, which you'll need
if yout want to test either version.  The main clue is the undocumented(?)
AT*ENAP=3D1,1  command.

I do have an ifupdown script for automating this, but I hesitate to post
it here as it is in no way pretty and reliable enough... Let me know if
you want to have a copy by email.  Or if anyone else is interested in
ripping out the interesting parts of it and reimplement it in a
distributable fashion, let me know...

Using it, a typical connection goes like this:

nemi:/tmp# ifup mb0
trying cdc-wdm0
Selected /dev/cdc-wdm0 for management of mb0

*EMRDY: 1
AT+CPIN?
+CPIN: READY

OK
AT*ENAP?
ERROR
AT+CGDCONT?
+CGDCONT: 1,"IP","telenor","0.0.0.0",0,0
+CGDCONT: 2,"IP","test","0.0.0.0",0,0
+CGDCONT: 3,"IP","","0.0.0.0",0,0

OK
AT+CFUN?;*E2CFUN=3D1;+CGREG=3D2
+CFUN: 4
Powering on radio

OK
AT+CFUN=3D1
OK

+CGREG: 0
Not registered

*E2CFUN: 1,1,0
Powered on (auto mode)

+CGREG: 0
Not registered

*EMWI: 1,0

+PACSP0

+CGREG: 1,"36B1","0000095E",3
Registered to home network
AT*ENAP=3D1,3;*E2NAP=3D1;+CMEE=3D2
OK

*E2NAP: 1
Connected
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/

wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
Listening on LPF/mb0/02:80:37:ec:02:00
Sending on   LPF/mb0/02:80:37:ec:02:00
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPDISCOVER on mb0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
DHCPOFFER from 77.16.175.249
DHCPREQUEST on mb0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 77.16.175.249
bound to 77.16.175.250 -- renewal in 131 seconds.

nemi:/tmp# ifdown mb0
There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.mb0.pid with pid 681
killed old client process, removed PID file
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/

wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
Listening on LPF/mb0/02:80:37:ec:02:00
Sending on   LPF/mb0/02:80:37:ec:02:00
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPRELEASE on mb0 to 77.16.175.249 port 67
trying cdc-wdm0
Selected /dev/cdc-wdm0 for management of mb0

+CGREG: 1,"36B1","00CBB5FA",2

+CGREG: 1,"4F4D","00CBB5FA",2
AT*ENAP?
*ENAP: 1

OK
AT*ENAP=3D0;*E2NAP=3D1;*E2CFUN=3D1
OK

*E2NAP: 0
Disconnected
Powering down radio
AT+CFUN=3D4
OK

*E2CFUN: 1,4,0
Radio is off
nemi:/tmp#=20

Bj=C3=B8rn
--=20
return -ENOCOFFEE;

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 13 23:00:26 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Norman Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:00:26 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Thinkpad X300 brightness keys through window manager (Debian Lenny)
In-Reply-To: <20081012160642.GA727@x61> (sfid-H-20081012-194309-+81.36-1@multi.osbf.lua)
References: <20081010234213.9904D788155@homedog.cs.tufts.edu>  <20081012160642.GA727@x61> (sfid-H-20081012-194309-+81.36-1@multi.osbf.lua)
Message-ID: <20090213230027.1E36AE818F@jindo.eecs.harvard.edu>

 > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 19:42:13 -0400, Norman Ramsey wrote:
 > 
 > >   * tpb brightness buttons do not work: they change the OSD, but
 > >     not the backlight.  I'm using xbacklight on the command line,
 > >     which works perfectly, but I would really like to figure out how
 > >     to program those buttons to (say) xbacklight -dec 10 and so on.
 > 
 > On my X61s, thinkpad-acpi is able to send input events for the
 > brightness keys, so that you can bind those keys to the corresponding
 > xbacklight command in you desktop environment/window manager.
 > 
 > You can check if such input events are sent by running xev and pressing
 > those keys. Then, bind these event codes to a proper key binding using
 > xmodmap. The ~/.Xmodmap on my X61s is configured like this:
 > 
 > keycode 101 = XF86MonBrightnessDown
 > keycode 212 = XF86KbdBrightnessUp

This works exactly as you described, down to the keycodes.
But there is a strangeness---there is a delay of almost half a second.
I'm using 

  xbacklight -time 0 -steps 1 -dec 10

On the command line the delay is about 200 ms, which is still
annoying.

For those who may be interested, DON'T try using a tpb callback to
call xbacklight on brightness events.  Apparently xbacklight does
something which the tpb daemon interprets as button presses, with the
result that it goes into runaway brightness changing.

Norman

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 14 07:00:02 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Bill Wohler)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:00:02 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: How do you like your W500 or W700?
References: <871vu6g7cs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <1234247403.23382.2.camel@hidalgo> <87wsbxe9lf.fsf@olgas.newt.com> 
Message-ID: <87ljs9ec5p.fsf@olgas.newt.com>

Stefan Monnier  writes:

>> Can Linux take advantage of the "Intel Turbo Memory hard drive cache"?
>
> I don't think anyone knows how to take advantage of this things.
> Better just ignore it.
>
>> or the "Smart Card Reader"?
>
> That should "just work".

Thanks, Stefan.

Well, I did it. I ordered the T500 with the integrated graphics last
night taking advantage of the 3-day sale. I also ordered the Smart
Card Reader; I'll be curious to see if it reads my NASA badge :-).
We'll see how it goes...

Thanks again to all for the feedback.

-- 
Bill Wohler   http://www.newt.com/wohler/  GnuPG ID:610BD9AD

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb 15 18:19:14 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Volker Krueger)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:19:14 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problems with iwlagn on X200s under kernel 2.6.27
Message-ID: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>

Hi,

I have often a problem with the wireless driver iwlagn after wakeup from
standby:
When i attempt to connect to a wireless network, it very often results
in the machine hanging: I can see that the root process event/1 consumes
100% computation time and keyboard input does not work anymore. All I
can do is turn off the machine using the powerbutton.
Sometimes, the HW-switch for the wireless manages to shut down the
wireless driver, which also stops the event/1 process from using 100%
computation time. Then, a rmmod and modprobe of iwlagn _sometimes_ helps.

This concerns the X200s, opensuse and kernel 2.6.27.

It seems to me that my problem is the same as in

http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1832
And I can confirm comment #26.

Has anyone observed this, too? are there any solutions by now?

thanks in advance,

Volker

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb 15 19:25:20 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Michael Gaber)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:25:20 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problems with iwlagn on X200s under kernel 2.6.27
In-Reply-To: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <49986C20.3050904@gmx.net>

Volker Krueger schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I have often a problem with the wireless driver iwlagn after wakeup from
> standby:
> When i attempt to connect to a wireless network, it very often results
> in the machine hanging: I can see that the root process event/1 consumes
> 100% computation time and keyboard input does not work anymore. All I
> can do is turn off the machine using the powerbutton.
> Sometimes, the HW-switch for the wireless manages to shut down the
> wireless driver, which also stops the event/1 process from using 100%
> computation time. Then, a rmmod and modprobe of iwlagn _sometimes_ helps.
> 
> This concerns the X200s, opensuse and kernel 2.6.27.
> 
> It seems to me that my problem is the same as in
> 
> http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1832
> And I can confirm comment #26.
> 
> Has anyone observed this, too? are there any solutions by now?
> 
> thanks in advance,
> 
> Volker

you might try using .28 kernel. it fixed some problems i had (although 
with iwl3945)

Michael

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb 15 18:26:05 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Greg KH)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:26:05 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: [opensuse-kernel] problems with iwlagn on X200s under kernel
 2.6.27
In-Reply-To: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <20090215182605.GA28906@suse.de>

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 07:19:14PM +0100, Volker Krueger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have often a problem with the wireless driver iwlagn after wakeup from
> standby:
> When i attempt to connect to a wireless network, it very often results
> in the machine hanging: I can see that the root process event/1 consumes
> 100% computation time and keyboard input does not work anymore. All I
> can do is turn off the machine using the powerbutton.
> Sometimes, the HW-switch for the wireless manages to shut down the
> wireless driver, which also stops the event/1 process from using 100%
> computation time. Then, a rmmod and modprobe of iwlagn _sometimes_ helps.
> 
> This concerns the X200s, opensuse and kernel 2.6.27.

Which specific 2.6.27 kernel?

I say this as we have fixed some iwlagn driver issues very recently
(last week), so if you could verify that the kernel in the
kernel-of-the-day still has these problems (or not), and let us know,
that would be great.

thanks,

greg k-h

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 07:16:45 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (D. Sen)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:16:45 +1100
Subject: [ltp] Re: [opensuse-kernel] problems with iwlagn on X200s under
 kernel 2.6.27
In-Reply-To: <20090215182605.GA28906@suse.de>
References: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090215182605.GA28906@suse.de>
Message-ID: <499912DD.8020202@ieee.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I see a similar problem - although not as severe. - with the 2.6.28.4
Kernel. Whenever an `ifup wlan0` is initiated, the mouse freezes for a
second or two.

Greg KH wrote:
| On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 07:19:14PM +0100, Volker Krueger wrote:
|> Hi,
|>
|> I have often a problem with the wireless driver iwlagn after wakeup from
|> standby:
|> When i attempt to connect to a wireless network, it very often results
|> in the machine hanging: I can see that the root process event/1 consumes
|> 100% computation time and keyboard input does not work anymore. All I
|> can do is turn off the machine using the powerbutton.
|> Sometimes, the HW-switch for the wireless manages to shut down the
|> wireless driver, which also stops the event/1 process from using 100%
|> computation time. Then, a rmmod and modprobe of iwlagn _sometimes_ helps.
|>
|> This concerns the X200s, opensuse and kernel 2.6.27.
|
| Which specific 2.6.27 kernel?
|
| I say this as we have fixed some iwlagn driver issues very recently
| (last week), so if you could verify that the kernel in the
| kernel-of-the-day still has these problems (or not), and let us know,
| that would be great.
|
| thanks,
|
| greg k-h
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmZEtwACgkQc/pG5x+fHiYLngCgo6zNy4v329fMNFQ5rqfBh3lP
YywAn3h4fEo0HnwFxO+ybHqKahmMcOls
=b5mo
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 07:50:52 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:50:52 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: [opensuse-kernel] problems with iwlagn on X200s
 under kernel 2.6.27
In-Reply-To: <499912DD.8020202@ieee.org>
References: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090215182605.GA28906@suse.de> <499912DD.8020202@ieee.org>
Message-ID: <20090216075052.GA30566@dose.home.local>

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 18:16:45 +1100, D. Sen wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I see a similar problem - although not as severe. - with the 2.6.28.4
> Kernel. Whenever an `ifup wlan0` is initiated, the mouse freezes for a
> second or two.

That seems to be "normal" with all hardware driven by the iwl-agn
driver. I set up my system to reload the driver on each suspend/resume
or re-association because otherwise it went mad at some point.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 07:59:32 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (D. Sen)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:59:32 +1100
Subject: [ltp] Re: [opensuse-kernel] problems with iwlagn on X200s	under
 kernel 2.6.27
In-Reply-To: <20090216075052.GA30566@dose.home.local>
References: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090215182605.GA28906@suse.de> <499912DD.8020202@ieee.org> <20090216075052.GA30566@dose.home.local>
Message-ID: <49991CE4.7070207@ieee.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Ok. Its just disconcerting to have the system freeze up even for that
short a period of time.

Cheers,
D

Tino Keitel wrote:
| On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 18:16:45 +1100, D. Sen wrote:
|> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
|> Hash: SHA1
|>
|> I see a similar problem - although not as severe. - with the 2.6.28.4
|> Kernel. Whenever an `ifup wlan0` is initiated, the mouse freezes for a
|> second or two.
|
| That seems to be "normal" with all hardware driven by the iwl-agn
| driver. I set up my system to reload the driver on each suspend/resume
| or re-association because otherwise it went mad at some point.
|
| Regards,
| Tino
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mandriva - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmZHOMACgkQc/pG5x+fHia2QACfWCyXfV79lYEpUBFoR6SB+wOm
IakAoJaqfjTsDgNawr2iRfOqO1re9IMA
=lZe7
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 11:04:27 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (J B Mills III)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:04:27 -0700
Subject: [ltp] Mills III, J B is out of the office on Vacation
Message-ID: 

--0__=08BBFFCCDFAF53C88f9e8a93df938690918c08BBFFCCDFAF53C8
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I will be out of the office starting  02/16/2009 and will not return until
02/28/2009.

I can be reached by cell if necessary. On Vacation
--0__=08BBFFCCDFAF53C88f9e8a93df938690918c08BBFFCCDFAF53C8
Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: inline

I will be out of the office starting  02/16/2009 and will not return until 02/28/2009.

I can be reached by cell if necessary. On Vacation
--0__=08BBFFCCDFAF53C88f9e8a93df938690918c08BBFFCCDFAF53C8--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 12:38:41 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Volker Krueger)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:38:41 +0100
Subject: [ltp] solid state drive?
Message-ID: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>

Dear all,

I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?
Does any one have experiences with cheaper non-lenovo drives?
what is the speed and wattage? Can one actually save battery time with them?

any info welcome :-))

best,
Volker

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 13:21:50 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (km)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:21:50 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se>

On 16/02, Volker Krueger wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?
> Does any one have experiences with cheaper non-lenovo drives?
> what is the speed and wattage? Can one actually save battery time with them?
> 
> any info welcome :-))
> 
> best,
> Volker
> 
> 
> -- 
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

I believe the general understanding is that you dont save power with SSD's.
SSDs use about the same amount of power as a hard drive.

See this article on toms hardware for power comparisons:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968.html

The wins on the other hand is:
 - speed (my x300 boots XP to desktop in 7 seconds and ubuntu in 15)
 - robustness (no moving parts)
 - sound (no moving parts)

My only experience is with the samsung SSD in my x300. The best way I
have of describing it is that the drive is no longer a factor for
anything in the laptop. Everything is either CPU, network or memory bound.
Disk I/O is never the issue as I see sustained write around 90mb/s, reads
at 100mb/s and nonexistant latency.

One thing to have in mind is that SSDs are still new and theres alot of
things happening so what is true today will probably not be true in six
months. And try to stay clear of MLC SSDs.

-km

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 13:51:39 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:51:39 +0100
Subject: [ltp] solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

> I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?

They work fine if you know how to handel them. There
are some tricks and problems you should know about
( http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=669 ), but google
will tell you more then you ever wanted to know.

The runtime will not change much. Buying a bigger battery is
the better way.

Using a CF Card for SSD works fine on PATA-Thinkpads. Even
MLC-cards will survive several years desktop usage. But
don't use EXT3, don't write lots of small files, never
defragment. EXT2 works very fine, tmp mounted on a ramfs
helps a lot.

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 15:09:42 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Micha Feigin)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:09:42 +0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
 <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se>
Message-ID: <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:21:50 +0100
km  wrote:

> On 16/02, Volker Krueger wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?
> > Does any one have experiences with cheaper non-lenovo drives?
> > what is the speed and wattage? Can one actually save battery time with them?
> > 
> > any info welcome :-))
> > 
> > best,
> > Volker
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> > http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
> 
> I believe the general understanding is that you dont save power with SSD's.
> SSDs use about the same amount of power as a hard drive.
> 
> See this article on toms hardware for power comparisons:
> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968.html
> 
> The wins on the other hand is:
>  - speed (my x300 boots XP to desktop in 7 seconds and ubuntu in 15)
>  - robustness (no moving parts)
>  - sound (no moving parts)
> 

Yes, but AFAIK write is a lot slower than standard disk

> My only experience is with the samsung SSD in my x300. The best way I
> have of describing it is that the drive is no longer a factor for
> anything in the laptop. Everything is either CPU, network or memory bound.
> Disk I/O is never the issue as I see sustained write around 90mb/s, reads
> at 100mb/s and nonexistant latency.
> 
> One thing to have in mind is that SSDs are still new and theres alot of
> things happening so what is true today will probably not be true in six
> months. And try to stay clear of MLC SSDs.
> 
> 
> -km
> 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 17:01:42 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:01:42 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: cannot resume after hotplugging an ultrabay battery in T61p
In-Reply-To: <20090130185856.GB20074@merlins.org>
References: <20090122074248.GA13240@merlins.org> <20090130185856.GB20074@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20090216170142.GG27832@merlins.org>

Were you able to find any config options that don't look good to you?

Similarly, I have a nagging but annoying problem where my laptop will
occasionally hard deadlock when I plug the power back in while it was
running on batteries.

I've had this problem for quite a while too, across kernel version, and
interestingly enough, restarting acpid from cron may have been a workaround 
in the past, and of course I can't reproduce that one at will either, so
it's hard to get a debugging setup when it happens.
This actually started happening at the same time that for some dumb reason,
acpid stopped logging to /var/log/acpid more than a year ago :(

I just upgraded to 2.6.28.4 so we'll see what happens, but if you have
recommendations on kernel options, debugging, or other ideas, I'm all ears.
(like can I debug on usb serial, or do I need real serial?)

Thanks,
Marc

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:58:56AM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for your reply and sorry for the delay, for some reason I never got
> your reply by Cc or the linux-thinkpad list, but found it in the ibm-acpi-devel
> web archive.
> 
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > > I realize this is a corner case, I've only hit it a few times since I
> > > typically do not use my ultrabay battery, but I can reproduce this with
> > > multiple kernels (up to 2.6.28):
> > 
> > It would be nice to know which kernel does NOT show the problem, even if it
> > is somewhat old.
> 
> I'm pretty sure I could do that with 2.6.22 or 2.6.24 but those did not
> recognize the battery when I hotswapped it, although it did work.
> If that old kernels help, I can do some test with those if you'd like
> (also tell me what data to gather, if any).
> 
> > > If I remove the ultrabay battery after hotswapping the main battery,
> > > things work ok after that.
> > > If I leave the ultrabay battery and suspend the laptop, on resume I get
> > > text mode and blinking cursor and nothing after that, the laptop is just
> > > dead.
> > 
> > What is the kernel configuration you're using, please?
>  
> http://marc.merlins.org/tmp/config

> > > Can you reproduce and possibly fix?
> > 
> > I can't seem to reproduce it on my T43.
> > 
> > > (it's hard for me to give debug since the laptop is dead on resume)
> > 
> > Usually you can get it to output data to the serial port (serial console) or
> > a network console, but that requires another computer to which you can send
> > the data to see it.
> 
> I take it that usb-serial won't work, but I think the docking station has
> serial on it. I might be able to borrow one.
> If I do and do serial console, would I get some output on that serial port
> at resume time you think?
> 
> Marc

-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/  

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 17:33:53 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tosh)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:33:53 +0100
Subject: [ltp] solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <4999A381.1020202@gmail.com>

Volker Krueger wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?
> Does any one have experiences with cheaper non-lenovo drives?
> what is the speed and wattage? Can one actually save battery time with them?
>
> any info welcome :-))
>
> best,
> Volker
>
>
have sold an ThinkPad X200 with an Intel 80GB SSD MLC (special boot 
edition), the person is running CentOS 5 and is very happy about speed 
an wattage is also les, how much we haven't tested exactly, but roughly 
about half

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 19:47:18 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:47:18 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se> <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas>

--FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 05:09:42PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:21:50 +0100
> km  wrote:
> > See this article on toms hardware for power comparisons:
> > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968.html
> >=20
> > The wins on the other hand is:
> >  - speed (my x300 boots XP to desktop in 7 seconds and ubuntu in 15)
> >  - robustness (no moving parts)
> >  - sound (no moving parts)
>=20
> Yes, but AFAIK write is a lot slower than standard disk

It may depend a lot on the SSD in question.

E.g. my Asus EeePC 900 is horribly slow; basically you can't use Firefox
while downloading a file in the background because those fsync() calls
make it freeze for five seconds every ten seconds or so.

On the other hand there's
http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.=
html

Marius Gedminas
--=20
Perl is not a programming language, it's a natural language that
computers understand.

Better than people, for the most part.
		-- Steve Simmons

--FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJmcLCkVdEXeem148RAtJSAJ0Y33ao2GPLN5iOC/TnQbEQvI+FJACfUJlJ
aD25GUiv9iy/ykW6uYqOlzs=
=vHCL
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 21:05:52 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (km)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:05:52 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se> <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: <20090216210552.GA17588@hp.pi.se>

On 16/02, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > 
> > The wins on the other hand is:
> >  - speed (my x300 boots XP to desktop in 7 seconds and ubuntu in 15)
> >  - robustness (no moving parts)
> >  - sound (no moving parts)
> > 
> 
> Yes, but AFAIK write is a lot slower than standard disk
> 

Depends on the SSD. Slow writes are usually a characteristic of MLC drives,
though different SSDs have hugely varied performance.

The Samsung SLC drive in the x300 performs something like this with
sequential writes:

OS	Filesystem/driver	peak	sustained
-------------------------------------------------
WinXP	NTFS 4k cluster		90mb/s	65mb/s
WinXP	Ext3 ext2fsd driver	60mb/s	25-40mb/s	fluctuates _alot_
Linux	NTFS fuse		50mb/s	35mb/s
Linux	Ext3 4k block		90mb/s	65mb/s

Clearly better than a hard drive.

This was tested with dd with a block size of 1MB and 3GB of /dev/zero.

FS type and OS looks pretty irrelevant when doing sequential I/O, atleast
for native filesystems.

Worth noting is that actual write speeds seem to go down when the filesystem
gets fragmented or is near its capacity.

And for interactive purposes (ie the responsiveness when using your
computer) the access time is usually the most important part and atleast
with this SSD it's so low that I dont notice the disk at all :)

-km

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 20:37:54 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:37:54 -0500
Subject: [ltp] solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: <20090216203754.GB23758@mini-me.lan>

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 02:51:39PM +0100, Laurent wrote:
>
> They work fine if you know how to handel them. There
> are some tricks and problems you should know about
> ( http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=669 ), but google
> will tell you more then you ever wanted to know.

The article you quote is specific for the Intel X25-M drive, and not
necessarily for all SSD's (certainly not the older first generation
SSD's.)

> The runtime will not change much. Buying a bigger battery is
> the better way.

You might see 20-25 minutes additional runtime.  So, not a lot, but
there should be at least some improvement if you are using one of the
newer SSD's that have a native SATA interface.

> Using a CF Card for SSD works fine on PATA-Thinkpads. Even
> MLC-cards will survive several years desktop usage. But
> don't use EXT3, don't write lots of small files, never
> defragment. EXT2 works very fine, tmp mounted on a ramfs
> helps a lot.

Using a tmpfs is definitely a good idea; at least with the Intel
X25-M, using ext3 shouldn't be a problem.  The X25-M is rated for
100GB of writes a day for five years, and that's plenty for a journal.
My system currently has about 10GB of writes over two day's worth of
uptime, and this includes e-mail and kernel compiles, and this is with
an ext4 mounted filesystem.  (You can measure this using iostat.)

   			     	      	      - Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 22:45:12 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Micha Feigin)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:45:12 +0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
 <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se>
 <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
 <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas>
Message-ID: <20090217004512.762ae2ce@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:47:18 +0100
Marius Gedminas  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 05:09:42PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:21:50 +0100
> > km  wrote:
> > > See this article on toms hardware for power comparisons:
> > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968.html
> > > 
> > > The wins on the other hand is:
> > >  - speed (my x300 boots XP to desktop in 7 seconds and ubuntu in 15)
> > >  - robustness (no moving parts)
> > >  - sound (no moving parts)
> > 
> > Yes, but AFAIK write is a lot slower than standard disk
> 
> It may depend a lot on the SSD in question.
> 
> E.g. my Asus EeePC 900 is horribly slow; basically you can't use Firefox
> while downloading a file in the background because those fsync() calls
> make it freeze for five seconds every ten seconds or so.
> 

That is because the op asked about cheap SSDs. There was a thread somewhere on
one of the mailing lists I'm registered to, can't remember at the moment which
one. Apparently IIRC there are two technologies for SSD. The cheap one that is
probably in the EeePC which is very slow to write and has a life span of about
10000 write cycles and the expensive one (a 80gb costs about as much as the
whole EeePC) which is fast (at least on par to regular disk) and has a life
cycle of around 100000+ writes.

They can't give the cheap ones away. And they are not recommended. It's probably
going to be still another couple of years before SSDs are worth while.

> On the other hand there's
> http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/so-i-got-one-of-new-intel-ssds.html
> 
> Marius Gedminas

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 16 23:47:28 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Damjan)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:47:28 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problems with iwlagn on X200s under kernel 2.6.27
In-Reply-To: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49985CA2.7020806@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <20090216234728.GC13386@legolas.on.net.mk>

> I have often a problem with the wireless driver iwlagn after wakeup from
> standby:

have you tried rmmod-ing the driver before suspend, and modprobe-ing
afterwards?

I've found that the "UnloadAllModules yes" option in hibernate-script 
helps a lot for a reliable suspend-to-ram (and resume).

That option tries to unload whatever modules it can, and then loads them
on resume.

-- 
damjan | Ð´Ð°Ð¼Ñ˜Ð°Ð½
This is my jabber ID -->         damjan@bagra.net.mk 
 -- not my mail address, it's a Jabber ID --^ :)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 10:37:01 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Per Dalgas Jakobsen)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:37:01 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: Cannot get Ericsson F3507G to work with the Option
 module
In-Reply-To: <87skmi4jsl.fsf@nemi.mork.no>
References: <499548A5.9000904@knaldgas.dk> <87skmi4jsl.fsf@nemi.mork.no>
Message-ID: <499A934D.8040205@knaldgas.dk>

BjÃ¸rn Mork wrote:
> Per Dalgas Jakobsen  writes:
>
>   
>> I seem to have an issue with the "option" module...
>>     
> Don't use the "option" module.  Adding the F3507g vid/pid to it was
> wrong, and it will be removed again.  See the discussion starting
> with http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/14422
>
>   
>> For the moment I have blacklisted the option module, but I'm uncertain if
>> this is the right approach.
>>     
>
> This is the correct workaround until the option driver is updated.
>   
Thanks for the advise.

> In addition to the three CDC ACM interfaces, there are two more classes
> supported by the F3507g:
>
>  CDC Device Management (2 "devices")
>  CDC Mobile Direct Line (1 "device")
>
> The first is supported by the cdc-wdm driver available in 2.6.29
> (haven't checked exactly when it was added, but it is rather new).  It
> will add two new devices you can send AT commands to /dev/cdc-wdm[01],
> but not do any high speed data transfers over.  Quite useful, since the
> three ACM devices are easily "lost" to GPS, SMS daemon and PPP.
>
> The CDC Mobile Direct Line is actually a masqueraded CDC Ethernet
> device. Ericsson has provided a driver which is mostly a copy of
> cdc_ether.c.  Nice feature to have, but I've not been able to measure
> any speed advantages compared to PPP on ttyACM0.  Still, fun to play
> with :-)
>   
If I only had the time :-)

> The original Ericsson patch is available from 
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/12875
>
> Please not that the usbnet changes are only for interface naming and
> strictly not necessary if you want to keep the driver isolated.
>
> I've also made a stripped down version of it, just to see how little was
> necessary: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/14624
>
> The last article also includes the usage instructions, which you'll need
> if yout want to test either version.  The main clue is the undocumented(?)
> AT*ENAP=1,1  command.
>
> I do have an ifupdown script for automating this, but I hesitate to post
> it here as it is in no way pretty and reliable enough... Let me know if
> you want to have a copy by email.  Or if anyone else is interested in
> ripping out the interesting parts of it and reimplement it in a
> distributable fashion, let me know...
>   
I have my 3G working now, actually with the script from
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ericsson_F3507g_Mobile_Broadband_Module

When I have done setting up my laptop (x301), I might use some time on
polishment ;-)

Thanks for your help!

~Per

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 11:25:19 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Volker Krueger)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:25:19 +0100
Subject: [ltp] solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <499A9E9F.3030503@cvmi.aau.dk>

thanks to everyone for all the information!

The references were really good!!

thanks!
best,
Volker

Volker Krueger wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?
> Does any one have experiences with cheaper non-lenovo drives?
> what is the speed and wattage? Can one actually save battery time with them?
>
> any info welcome :-))
>
> best,
> Volker
>
>
>   

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 01:13:30 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:13:30 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090217004512.762ae2ce@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se> <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas> <20090217004512.762ae2ce@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>
Message-ID: <20090217011330.GJ23758@mini-me.lan>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:45:12AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> That is because the op asked about cheap SSDs. There was a thread
> somewhere on one of the mailing lists I'm registered to, can't
> remember at the moment which one. Apparently IIRC there are two
> technologies for SSD. The cheap one that is probably in the EeePC
> which is very slow to write and has a life span of about 10000 write
> cycles and the expensive one (a 80gb costs about as much as the
> whole EeePC) which is fast (at least on par to regular disk) and has
> a life cycle of around 100000+ writes.

You're talking about first generation MLC vs. SLC flash drives; it
turns out though that with the right smarts, though, it's possible to
make MLC flash work well.  See this article from Tom's Hardware:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-x25-m-SSD,2012-3.html

Intel was the first to market by about 4-5 months; however, San Disk
is supposed to come out with a drive with similar "smarts" in the next
month or two.  I can't say anything about how well San Disk's drive
will work, since I haven't seen any early reviews yet and I haven't
been able to get early access to the drive, but the reviews from
Intel's SSD (which is ground-breaking) have been glowing.

As far as prices are concerned, the Intel X25-M SSD is more expensive
than traditional MLC drives, but cheaper than SLC drives.  The street
price of the 80GB SSD is $400.  Sure, that's about 4x the price of an
HDD, but given its shock resistance and speed, that's not bad.  In
contrast, traditional 64GB SLC drives cost about $500, and traditional
64GB MLC drives cost about $140.  (And an 80GB HDD is about $40).

     	 	     	   	       - Ted

P.S.  Note that if you are doing streaming writes, the Intel X25-M
isn't going to be that much faster than an traditional MLC, because
it's using MLC flash.  The reason why Intel's SSD is better is because
in real life it's rare that the OS will be able to do streaming
writes; instead it needs to do a number of small writes to update the
inode table, allocation bitmaps/tables, etc. for each file writes (and
many files are small to begin with).  What makes the Intel SSD
interesting is that it has better smarts that means that a more
realistic, real-world workload that has lots of small writes still
works relatively well on the X25-M, whereas on a traditional MLC drive
write amplification means that it has to erase and write an 128k block
even when updating a 4k block.  That means that for small writes, a
traditional MLC drive will take a factor of 16-32 hit off of its
sequential write speeds, and factor 16-32 times increase in flash
lifetime (since 128k is getting erased and rewritten even for a 4k
write). 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 16:13:42 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Phil Shotton)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:13:42 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Wifi suddenly not working
Message-ID: <499AE236.5070401@stairbridge.org.uk>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------070403080106030201040509
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have a T60p running Ubuntu 8.10 (kernel 2.6.27-9-generic) with Atheros 
AR5008 wifi card.
I use wifi every day, switching between work and home wireless networks. 
All works fine.

Today I could not connect to the work wifi. It shows in NM, when I 
select it tries to connect, after a while the authentication required 
window pops up. Re-entering the (correct) authentication makes no 
difference. I've attached a representative daemon.log.

All my colleagues can connect fine and yesterday it was working fine. I 
can dual-boot into Windows XP, and that also connects immediately. I've 
installed no new software, changed no configs. The only related event 
was that yesterday we had to reboot ADSL router and wireless hub, but my 
machine connected fine afterwards.

Any ideas - either how to fix or how to debug further?

Thanks
Phil

--------------070403080106030201040509
Content-Type: text/x-log;
 name="daemon.log"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline;
 filename="daemon.log"

Feb 17 16:07:58 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): bringing up device. 
Feb 17 16:07:58 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 2 -> 3 
Feb 17 16:07:58 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:07:58 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:07:59 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:07:59 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:07:59 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant interface state change: 1 -> 2. 
Feb 17 16:08:22 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:22 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) starting connection 'PSJ W1' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 3 -> 4 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 4 -> 5 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless): access point 'PSJ W1' has security, but secrets are required. 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 5 -> 6 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) scheduled... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) started... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 6 -> 4 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) scheduled... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) complete. 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) starting... 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 4 -> 5 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless): connection 'PSJ W1' has security, and secrets exist.  No new secrets needed. 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'ssid' value 'PSJ W1' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'scan_ssid' value '1' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'key_mgmt' value 'WPA-PSK' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'psk' value '' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'proto' value 'WPA RSN' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'pairwise' value 'TKIP CCMP' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: added 'group' value 'WEP40 WEP104 TKIP CCMP' 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete. 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Config: set interface ap_scan to 1 
Feb 17 16:08:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 1 -> 2 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:42 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 
Feb 17 16:08:45 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:45 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:52 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0 
Feb 17 16:08:52 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 
Feb 17 16:08:52 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:52 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:53 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:53 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:53 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:08:53 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:08:53 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 
Feb 17 16:09:03 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0 
Feb 17 16:09:03 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 
Feb 17 16:09:03 pshotton-laptop avahi-daemon[5102]: Received packet from invalid interface.
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:06 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 
Feb 17 16:09:07 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   wlan0: link timed out. 
Feb 17 16:09:16 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0 
Feb 17 16:09:16 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:19 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 
Feb 17 16:09:29 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0 
Feb 17 16:09:29 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2 
Feb 17 16:09:31 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   wlan0: link timed out. 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 3 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: RTM_NEWLINK: name:wlan0 index:5 flags:0x00001003 
Feb 17 16:09:32 pshotton-laptop vmnetBridge: Can't remove interface wlan0 5 (does not exist). 
Feb 17 16:09:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless): association took too long. 
Feb 17 16:09:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): device state change: 5 -> 6 
Feb 17 16:09:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   Activation (wlan0/wireless): asking for new secrets 
Feb 17 16:09:38 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 3 -> 0 
Feb 17 16:09:53 pshotton-laptop NetworkManager:   wlan0: link timed out. 

--------------070403080106030201040509--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 17:51:58 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (axp)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:51:58 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Wifi suddenly not working
In-Reply-To: <499AE236.5070401@stairbridge.org.uk>
References: <499AE236.5070401@stairbridge.org.uk>
Message-ID: <499AF93E.3060205@shacknet.at>

Phil Shotton wrote:
> I have a T60p running Ubuntu 8.10 (kernel 2.6.27-9-generic) with
> Atheros AR5008 wifi card.
> I use wifi every day, switching between work and home wireless
> networks. All works fine.
>
> Today I could not connect to the work wifi. It shows in NM, when I
> select it tries to connect, after a while the authentication required
> window pops up. Re-entering the (correct) authentication makes no
> difference. I've attached a representative daemon.log.
>
> All my colleagues can connect fine and yesterday it was working fine.
> I can dual-boot into Windows XP, and that also connects immediately.
> I've installed no new software, changed no configs. The only related
> event was that yesterday we had to reboot ADSL router and wireless
> hub, but my machine connected fine afterwards.
>
> Any ideas - either how to fix or how to debug further?
>
> Thanks
> Phil
>
Does it work @home?

maybe some issues with channel selection for wrong country?

some countries have other frequencies!

try some of them, channel 13 for example is not working everywhere!

filename:      
/lib/modules/2.6.27-12-generic/kernel/net/wireless/cfg80211.ko
description:    wireless configuration support
license:        GPL
author:         Johannes Berg
srcversion:     C43F275505B181F0D1625BE
depends:       
vermagic:       2.6.27-12-generic SMP mod_unload modversions
parm:           ieee80211_regdom:IEEE 802.11 regulatory domain code (charp)

so far,
Ferdinand

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 18:28:02 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Noah Dain)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:28:02 -0500
Subject: [ltp] solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Volker Krueger  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am interested in your comments on solid state drives?
> Does any one have experiences with cheaper non-lenovo drives?
> what is the speed and wattage? Can one actually save battery time with them?

I dropped a transcend 128GB ( TS128GSSD25S-M ) ssd in my T61,
replacing a 7200rpm WD scorpio.  Overall, couldn't be happier except
for one occasional quibble.  During heavy continuous write operations,
the drive can become rather unresponsive, sometimes for up to a minute
or so.  Typically, this happens during large package updates/upgrades
(ubuntu).

On the plus side, everything else is definitely superior to a typical
hdd with the exception of storage capacity, of course.  Most
operations are definitely quicker than with a 7200 rpm hdd, but not
anything earth-shattering.  Access times are nothing, and sequential
read throughput is massive.

I tend to consider it a "2nd generation" ssd.  The performance specs
are equal to or exceed the best hdd's out there for most use cases.  I
would consider Intel's ssd's 3rd gen (maybe 2.5?)

The first gens are what you'll find in eepc's and such.  No one wants
one of these (generally, they are slow and small, with limited
lifespans).

I'd say if you need large storage and/or do a lot of large write
operations, ssd's are definitely not for you right now.

However, you can find ssd's in 128GB sizes for somewhere between
$200-300 USD.  If that seems reasonable to you to get rid of spinning
magnetic media, by all means go for it.

-n

>
> any info welcome :-))
>
> best,
> Volker
>
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

-- 
Noah Dain

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 22:59:14 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:59:14 -0600
Subject: [ltp] Wifi suddenly not working
In-Reply-To: <499AE236.5070401@stairbridge.org.uk>
References: <499AE236.5070401@stairbridge.org.uk>
Message-ID: 

--00163646d798885fe204632540c6
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How about the authentication type? Are you inputting a WPA passcode with the
system set to accept a WEP key? It's the little things, ya know?

-- 
Rob Smith

Posted via #!CrunchBang Linux (v.8.10.01)
A lightweight Ubuntu distribution.
Because software, like people, should be allowed to exist in an open,
sharing community, and not kept contained by corporate greed!

--00163646d798885fe204632540c6
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How about the authentication type? Are you inputting a WPA passcode with the system set to accept a WEP key? It's the little things, ya know?

-- 
Rob Smith

Posted via #!CrunchBang Linux (v.8.10.01)
A lightweight Ubuntu distribution.
Because software, like people, should be allowed to exist in an open, sharing community, and not kept contained by corporate greed!

--00163646d798885fe204632540c6--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 22:54:36 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (green)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:54:36 -0600
Subject: [ltp] static discharge
Message-ID: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>

--5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(I sent this message to the thinkpad@stderr.org list, but it seems to have=
=20
gotten lost amony the many Windows BSOD complaints there, so I will try her=
e.)

Recently I was using my ThinkPad T61 when I felt static discharge between m=
y=20
finger and the system.  It happens frequently and I have not been too conce=
rned=20
about it, but I have wondered how safe it is when this happens (like someti=
mes=20
when the system is not connected to AC, although I guess it isn't grounded =
then=20
either).

Well, this particular time (as others), it happened on the right side of th=
e=20
system in the area of the Ultrabay slot (which contains the standard DVD=C2=
=B1RW). =20
I had the small finger of my right hand along the edge of the system, where=
 it=20
often seems to go between spats of furious (I wish) typing.  Suddenly wham =
the=20
discharge went somewhere into the system.  It was enough to make the end of=
 my=20
finger ache for several minutes.  The system has always run fine before whe=
n=20
this happens but this time it powered off immediately.  I am not sure what=
=20
happened with the LEDs, but when the imagined puff of smoke dispersed, only=
 the=20
battery and AC lights were on (which is correct).  I think the battery ligh=
t=20
may have been yellow rather than green, which is weird because the battery =
was=20
not empty.

Soon I tried turning the system on again (I think the battery light went ba=
ck=20
to green then) and it seems to work.  I did not think to remove the battery=
=20
before powering on.  The system is still running from that boot and has=20
successfully suspended/resumed at least once.

I looked through dmesg (Debian Linux - Lenny) and didn't find any complaint=
s. =20
Hopefully the hardware is all okay.

Any thoughts?

--5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAkmbQCsACgkQ682C+dBP+oTTDwCePJRM6Fc45Dl2Y+3DXssP5MUU
9dEAnAq0RWWxeQYwsSs7yFQrBB1rnjVN
=qkyL
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 17 23:24:10 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:24:10 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090217011330.GJ23758@mini-me.lan>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se> <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas> <20090217004512.762ae2ce@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090217011330.GJ23758@mini-me.lan>
Message-ID: <20090217232410.GA19642@platonas>

--AhhlLboLdkugWU4S
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a very informative and interesting post, thanks!

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:13:30PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> As far as prices are concerned, the Intel X25-M SSD is more expensive
> than traditional MLC drives, but cheaper than SLC drives.  The street
> price of the 80GB SSD is $400.  Sure, that's about 4x the price of an
> HDD, but given its shock resistance and speed, that's not bad.  In
> contrast, traditional 64GB SLC drives cost about $500, and traditional
> 64GB MLC drives cost about $140.  (And an 80GB HDD is about $40).

This is slightly confusing: how is a $400 SSD about 4x the price of a
$40 HDD?

Marius Gedminas
--=20
I am right now in the process of reading the Xft source code (the suspense =
near
the end of Chapter 7 is unbearable) [...]
	-- Juliusz Chroboczek

--AhhlLboLdkugWU4S
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJm0cSkVdEXeem148RArfDAJ9L9APj0Hzj7sY0M1Jzb3uJxeacRACfb+3H
z9LMOIJuEMoFPI1RwRxJkTs=
=U5h2
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--AhhlLboLdkugWU4S--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 06:34:33 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:34:33 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090217232410.GA19642@platonas>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se> <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas> <20090217004512.762ae2ce@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090217011330.GJ23758@mini-me.lan> <20090217232410.GA19642@platonas>
Message-ID: <20090218063433.GA12897@platonas>

--h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:24:10AM +0100, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> This is a very informative and interesting post, thanks!
>=20
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:13:30PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > As far as prices are concerned, the Intel X25-M SSD is more expensive
> > than traditional MLC drives, but cheaper than SLC drives.  The street
> > price of the 80GB SSD is $400.  Sure, that's about 4x the price of an
> > HDD, but given its shock resistance and speed, that's not bad.  In
> > contrast, traditional 64GB SLC drives cost about $500, and traditional
> > 64GB MLC drives cost about $140.  (And an 80GB HDD is about $40).
>=20
> This is slightly confusing: how is a $400 SSD about 4x the price of a
> $40 HDD?

Also, how do Compact Flash cards fit in the SLC/MLC hierarchy?  They're
also solid-state storage devices masquerading as (ATA) hard disks,
right?

Marius Gedminas
--=20
2B OR NOT 2B =3D=3D FF

--h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFJm6v5kVdEXeem148RAn2yAJ9FQXM5YWv8d8aBItFZpnfxXdjlEwCeMsru
xIGNKAduz79IoAlh7oeHDoI=
=I+t7
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 04:14:57 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:14:57 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: 

> But don't use EXT3, don't write lots of small files, never
> defragment. EXT2 works very fine, tmp mounted on a ramfs helps a lot.

What makes you say not to use ext3?
AFAICT, it should not make much difference: at most double the number of
writes, i.e. halve the expected life of your drive.

        Stefan

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 08:50:57 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:50:57 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

Message-ID: 

Hi,

> What makes you say not to use ext3?
> AFAICT, it should not make much difference: at most double the number of
> writes, i.e. halve the expected life of your drive.

The journal causes a lot of small writes. Small writes have a bigger write
amplification, so it's a lot more data for the SSD. That makes it slow. I
don't worry about the number of writes, but i do want a fast system.

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 09:24:39 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Daniel Castro)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:24:39 +0000
Subject: [ltp] static discharge
In-Reply-To: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>
Message-ID: 

--001636c5b0652c726d04632dfdd5
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/2/17 green 

> (I sent this message to the thinkpad@stderr.org list, but it seems to hav=
e
> gotten lost amony the many Windows BSOD complaints there, so I will try
> here.)
>
>
> Recently I was using my ThinkPad T61 when I felt static discharge between
> my
> finger and the system.  It happens frequently and I have not been too
> concerned
> about it, but I have wondered how safe it is when this happens (like
> sometimes
> when the system is not connected to AC, although I guess it isn't grounde=
d
> then
> either).
>
> Well, this particular time (as others), it happened on the right side of
> the
> system in the area of the Ultrabay slot (which contains the standard
> DVD=B1RW).
> I had the small finger of my right hand along the edge of the system, whe=
re
> it
> often seems to go between spats of furious (I wish) typing.  Suddenly wha=
m
> the
> discharge went somewhere into the system.  It was enough to make the end =
of
> my
> finger ache for several minutes.  The system has always run fine before
> when
> this happens but this time it powered off immediately.  I am not sure wha=
t
> happened with the LEDs, but when the imagined puff of smoke dispersed, on=
ly
> the
> battery and AC lights were on (which is correct).  I think the battery
> light
> may have been yellow rather than green, which is weird because the batter=
y
> was
> not empty.
>
> Soon I tried turning the system on again (I think the battery light went
> back
> to green then) and it seems to work.  I did not think to remove the batte=
ry
> before powering on.  The system is still running from that boot and has
> successfully suspended/resumed at least once.
>
> I looked through dmesg (Debian Linux - Lenny) and didn't find any
> complaints.
> Hopefully the hardware is all okay.
>
> Any thoughts?

well i wouldn't say it is normal for laptops to take ESDs, it has never
happened to me anyway... and it's the first time i hear it from someone
else.
i'd say it has a lot to do with the environment you are in, maybe to dry?
your shoes? the cloth you wear? i know i have a specific jacket for example
that every time i use it i'll be frying my fingers against everything i
touch...
but maybe there is something wrong with your laptop? i wouldn't be of much
help in the technical part, maybe someone in this list how really knows
what's under the hood there?

>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAkmbQCsACgkQ682C+dBP+oTTDwCePJRM6Fc45Dl2Y+3DXssP5MUU
> 9dEAnAq0RWWxeQYwsSs7yFQrBB1rnjVN
> =3DqkyL
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>

--=20
________________________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie
________________________

--001636c5b0652c726d04632dfdd5
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/2/17 green <greenfreedom10@gmail.com>
(I sent this message to the thinkpad=
@stderr.org list, but it seems to have

gotten lost amony the many Windows BSOD complaints there, so I will try her=
e.)

Recently I was using my ThinkPad T61 when I felt static discharge between m=
y

finger and the system.  It happens frequently and I have not been too =
concerned

about it, but I have wondered how safe it is when this happens (like someti=
mes

when the system is not connected to AC, although I guess it isn't groun=
ded then

either).

Well, this particular time (as others), it happened on the right side of th=
e

system in the area of the Ultrabay slot (which contains the standard DVD=B1=
RW).

I had the small finger of my right hand along the edge of the system, where=
 it

often seems to go between spats of furious (I wish) typing.  Suddenly =
wham the

discharge went somewhere into the system.  It was enough to make the e=
nd of my

finger ache for several minutes.  The system has always run fine befor=
e when

this happens but this time it powered off immediately.  I am not sure =
what

happened with the LEDs, but when the imagined puff of smoke dispersed, only=
 the

battery and AC lights were on (which is correct).  I think the battery=
 light

may have been yellow rather than green, which is weird because the battery =
was

not empty.

Soon I tried turning the system on again (I think the battery light went ba=
ck

to green then) and it seems to work.  I did not think to remove the ba=
ttery

before powering on.  The system is still running from that boot and ha=
s

successfully suspended/resumed at least once.

I looked through dmesg (Debian Linux - Lenny) and didn't find any compl=
aints.

Hopefully the hardware is all okay.

Any thoughts?
well i wouldn't say it is normal for lap=
tops to take ESDs, it has never happened to me anyway... and it's the f=
irst time i hear it from someone else.
i'd say it has a lot to do wi=
th the environment you are in, maybe to dry? your shoes? the cloth you wear=
? i know i have a specific jacket for example that every time i use it i=
9;ll be frying my fingers against everything i touch...

but maybe there is something wrong with your laptop? i wouldn't be of m=
uch help in the technical part, maybe someone in this list how really knows=
 what's under the hood there? 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAkmbQCsACgkQ682C+dBP+oTTDwCePJRM6Fc45Dl2Y+3DXssP5MUU

9dEAnAq0RWWxeQYwsSs7yFQrBB1rnjVN

=3DqkyL

-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-- 
___________________=
_____

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie

________________________

--001636c5b0652c726d04632dfdd5--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 10:31:21 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:31:21 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: static discharge
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys> 
Message-ID: 

Daniel Castro schrieb:

> well i wouldn't say it is normal for laptops to take ESDs, it has never 
> happened to me anyway... and it's the first time i hear it from someone 
> else.

I observed it a few times on my 3 month old ThinkPad and it always 
happens at the finger print reader.

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 13:56:28 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dan Maranville)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:56:28 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

Message-ID: <56f8d0620902180556s49c9d657u14bebe5931f66bc9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 03:50, Laurent  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> What makes you say not to use ext3?
>> AFAICT, it should not make much difference: at most double the number of
>> writes, i.e. halve the expected life of your drive.
>
> The journal causes a lot of small writes. Small writes have a bigger write
> amplification, so it's a lot more data for the SSD. That makes it slow. I
> don't worry about the number of writes, but i do want a fast system.
>
> cu
>

I found some interesting stuff here,
http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html and here
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=51957 when I was looking at
going this route.

-- 
Dan Maranville

"The one ray of hope is that maybe, just maybe, the thousands of
Windows worms will go to war with each other and kill every Windows
machine on earth. Though that would be a short-lived cure, because
even after a Windows holocaust the first thing the survivors are going
to do is get up, dust themselves off, and see if rebooting will bring
their systems back up." --Carla Schroder

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 13:11:22 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:11:22 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>   
Message-ID: <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:50:57AM +0100, Laurent wrote:
>> What makes you say not to use ext3?
>> AFAICT, it should not make much difference: at most double the number of
>> writes, i.e. halve the expected life of your drive.
>
> The journal causes a lot of small writes. Small writes have a bigger write
> amplification, so it's a lot more data for the SSD. That makes it slow. I
> don't worry about the number of writes, but i do want a fast system.

Write amplification has been addressed by next generation SSD's (at
the moment the Intel SSD's are alone in the market, but I expect other
manufacturers will coming up with competing products soon.)

   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-x25-m-SSD,2012-4.html

							- Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 13:34:29 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:34:29 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090218063433.GA12897@platonas>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> <20090216132150.GA17158@hp.pi.se> <20090216170942.0d3d3f87@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090216194718.GA21693@platonas> <20090217004512.762ae2ce@vivalunalitshi.luna.local> <20090217011330.GJ23758@mini-me.lan> <20090217232410.GA19642@platonas> <20090218063433.GA12897@platonas>
Message-ID: <20090218133429.GD3600@mini-me.lan>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 07:34:33AM +0100, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:24:10AM +0100, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > This is a very informative and interesting post, thanks!
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:13:30PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > > As far as prices are concerned, the Intel X25-M SSD is more expensive
> > > than traditional MLC drives, but cheaper than SLC drives.  The street
> > > price of the 80GB SSD is $400.  Sure, that's about 4x the price of an
> > > HDD, but given its shock resistance and speed, that's not bad.  In
> > > contrast, traditional 64GB SLC drives cost about $500, and traditional
> > > 64GB MLC drives cost about $140.  (And an 80GB HDD is about $40).
> > 
> > This is slightly confusing: how is a $400 SSD about 4x the price of a
> > $40 HDD?

Sorry, you're right, it's about 10x an equivalently sized HDD.  I
didn't realize how much 80GB HDD's had fallen in price until I had
checked.  These days, I tend to buy 300GB+ laptop drives.  :-)

> Also, how do Compact Flash cards fit in the SLC/MLC hierarchy?  They're
> also solid-state storage devices masquerading as (ATA) hard disks,
> right?

CF manufacturers generally don't you a lot about what's inside their
cards, so it varies a lot.  You can bet the cheaper ones are MLC; in
general it's probably better to assume MLC unless the manufacturer
explicitly states otherwise.  The primary problem with CF is that they
are limited by their ATA interface.  If the camera (and the card)
doesn't do UDMA, they are limited to about 16MB/s.  If the camera (and
the card) does UDMA, they could in theory go up to 133 MB/s, but I'm
not sure I've seen camera (and cards) that do more than 100 MB/s (UDMA
mode 5).  Some cards may only do UDMA mode 3 (45 MB/s).  

SATA speeds let you go at up to 150 Mb/s and 300 MB/s, which for flash
is more important when you are reading as opposed to writing.  For
example the Intel X25-E has a maximum read bandwidth of 250 MB/s, and
a maximum write bandwidth of 170 MB/s.  The X25-M has a maximum read
bandwidth of 250 MB/s, and a maximum write bandwidth of 70 MB/s.
(This is because the X25-M uses MLC, and the X25-E uses SLC; the Intel
X25 design avoids the write amplification problem, but if you are
doing streaming writes, you will still be limited by maximum write
speeds of the flash.)  For contrast, a modern 5400rpm laptop HDD has
write speeds of around 55 Mb/s, and a 7200rpm HDD has write speeds of
around 90 Mb/s.

						- Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 14:19:21 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:19:21 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

  <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

> Write amplification has been addressed by next generation SSD's (at
> the moment the Intel SSD's are alone in the market, but I expect other
> manufacturers will coming up with competing products soon.)

The Intel SSD address one problem and create another. The first article
i linked benchmarks an Intel after several months of use. The really
bad performance is caused by the anti-amplification algo. The effect
is stronger if you use lots of small writes. i have seen the same thing
in our testlab: the performance after 2 months depends on the type of
data written. swap and ext3 + small files kills the performance faster
then ext2 + big files.

For the current generation it's a matter of erasing the blocks fast
enough. Most SSD are fast as long as the blocks written by the OS
are as big or bigger as the native block size. Ext3 journal is messy
and syncs lot lots of small blocks. That make the disc a lot slower
if you use lots of smalls files (like my email client or my dev-app).

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 15:15:13 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:15:13 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>    <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan> 
Message-ID: <20090218151513.GG3600@mini-me.lan>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 03:19:21PM +0100, Laurent wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Write amplification has been addressed by next generation SSD's (at
>> the moment the Intel SSD's are alone in the market, but I expect other
>> manufacturers will coming up with competing products soon.)
>
> The Intel SSD address one problem and create another. The first article
> i linked benchmarks an Intel after several months of use. The really
> bad performance is caused by the anti-amplification algo. The effect
> is stronger if you use lots of small writes. i have seen the same thing
> in our testlab: the performance after 2 months depends on the type of
> data written. swap and ext3 + small files kills the performance faster
> then ext2 + big files.

I've been looking into this.  There are a couple of things going on
here, actually.  The first is lack of TRIM support.  This means that
even when you a delete a file, the SDD has no way of knowing the file
has been erased, so when you do a small write, it may end up
needlessly copying data blocks that it doesn't need to copy.  This is
why, in the article you linked to, the performance degradation could
be reset by using an ATA SECURITY ERASE --- this allows the disk to
understand that all of the sectors are no longer in use.

The second problem is that the default MS-DOS partition scheme doesn't
align the filesystem on the erase blocks, which makes it almost
impossible for the filesystem to do a good job even if it could.

As far as the journaling is concerned, the journal is a contiguous
file on disk so writes to it end up being efficient.  Since the
journal wraps and writes to it are done contiguously, the Intel SSD
shouldn't have too much problems dealing with the journal.  I just got
my SSD yesterday, so I need to run some tests to confirm this, but I
don't forsee a big issue here.

The big deal is making sure that the filesystem is aligned on an erase
block, which I can do if I choose partitioning paremeters of 224 heads
and 56 sectors/track --- that leads to 12544 sectors/cylinder, or
49*128k per cyclinder.  The first partition will still not be 128k
aligned, but that's OK --- we'll just call that /boot, which doesn't
get modified very often.  Subsequent partitions will be aligned on an
cylinder boundary, so will be 128k aligned, and after I do a quick
hack to e2fsprogs, the journal will also be conveniently set up to be
aligned on a 128k boundary.

Small files are small files, and there isn't too much that can be done
about them; however, the ext4 filesystem *does* have the ability to
understand that files should be aligned on raid stripes, so with the
appropriate mke2fs parameters, it should be possible to align large
files on 128k erase blocks, which should help the write amplification
problem tremendously.

As far as your test lab is concerned, what program are you using to
simulate filesystem aging, out of curiosity --- and are you seeing the
performance degredation on writes only, or on reads as well?

> For the current generation it's a matter of erasing the blocks fast
> enough. Most SSD are fast as long as the blocks written by the OS
> are as big or bigger as the native block size. Ext3 journal is messy
> and syncs lot lots of small blocks. That make the disc a lot slower
> if you use lots of smalls files (like my email client or my dev-app).

Yeah, one of the things I'm looking into doing is how to tune ext4's
allocation algorithm to work better on SSD's.  In practice this means
turning off some of ext3/ext4's anti-fragmentation code, since if you
are sucking down a large number of small files into a maildir
directory (for example) you want to keep them packed tightly together
so they only consume a single erase block.

So for example, I suspect that for ext2 and ext3, mounting the
filesystem with the "noreservation" mount option would be a very good
thing to help optimize small files.  Ext4 has a different (and far
more complicated) block allocator, so we'll probably need different
tuning parmaeters to accomodate SSD's.  This is definitely something
I'm looking into --- I figure I can get a paper and a trip to
Linux.conf.au out of it.  :-)

						- Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 17:36:28 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Florian Manschwetus)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:36:28 +0100
Subject: [ltp] thinkpad-sources-2.6.28-r2 jetzt auch wieder bei jokey
Message-ID: <499C471C.6060500@gmx.de>

This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.

--------------ms080005030502090309080902
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/dev/jokey/trunk/sys-kernel/thinkpad-source=
s/
zus=E4tzlich hdapsd und tp_smapi
http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/dev/jokey/trunk/app-laptop/

regards,
florian

--------------ms080005030502090309080902
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s"
Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIKlDCC
BUYwggMuoAMCAQICAwQsXDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4w
HAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmlu
ZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAeFw0wNzEw
MTgxODMzMjRaFw0wOTEwMTcxODMzMjRaMEgxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0Zsb3JpYW4gTWFuc2Nod2V0
dXMxKDAmBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWGUZsb3JpYW5NYW5zY2h3ZXR1c0BnbXguZGUwggEiMA0GCSqG
SIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC2GnTI54ujEGPHu7/5L3UePHT6bydUQAWsck9f44wc
hURmyPxNMb228wpkIEaWOpsnxCYbKfxW7nIi0zP7eSAhGhXiI9jyLPgJ4NpG1OFT2Eyzjkkf
25CtC1NO9ZbMacVieXjDw4ezPkuJvSyhsDcFAUERCWG9DT74tMdP9ADdMzI8h/eXjv6j4flz
TD2WAsDe1hfdSTkzB7G3SMBtBu6J46CY6p93epais/x1CzFkzDJsh0r7dh0tHGhVCGkR1bN1
5SB2QhIdCR3+Ji1F1W8/7ugak6utREUz4LxYPw/wfiIRaVHTVPjo5YwfD0gjcWSXx25gWf2J
SEVBx+VDr3o1AgMBAAGjggEGMIIBAjAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMFYGCWCGSAGG+EIBDQRJFkdU
byBnZXQgeW91ciBvd24gY2VydGlmaWNhdGUgZm9yIEZSRUUgaGVhZCBvdmVyIHRvIGh0dHA6
Ly93d3cuQ0FjZXJ0Lm9yZzBABgNVHSUEOTA3BggrBgEFBQcDBAYIKwYBBQUHAwIGCisGAQQB
gjcKAwQGCisGAQQBgjcKAwMGCWCGSAGG+EIEATAyBggrBgEFBQcBAQQmMCQwIgYIKwYBBQUH
MAGGFmh0dHA6Ly9vY3NwLmNhY2VydC5vcmcwJAYDVR0RBB0wG4EZRmxvcmlhbk1hbnNjaHdl
dHVzQGdteC5kZTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAgEAM6hh9b2HehQ1/BN9CVHh/TuF4EektTuE
VwGqug6HGAz3EOHMEyfHc6YiGeNFXzCju5Iu9UJ8tTmlKlzOOs/39of574kkdyJNbk2epTuE
xN4PE8i66uUAVO4O4MpYcdjx1yniuKYoiOj/p/qMCFRCIYT3aWWvugJnpUh7jE5B1tGYA2r9
caLsqUeA28i14Ee3EJA554eKptywsjlXp0JuOi/HKSyxDL1lwk9kTN17e8P+ajUy3qA3S4o0
+EJO+K3Y709M941ZnT5nkyCDqXfJk8ilKtcGQOw8Kw6h15kaTxoOiZnEXRGY9uovv9HTJSzI
9hzwNZuE6GCPoz3+PDRBZzSvMQInEHn6O81HN7uEEljVsvTAxnc4GqK3idmDfn93X5BghYUS
urdoAsJk/qK+Me0PNbobis2dqwu8mZJo57v7lkeEg/b7rMuVWYWkGvBb++M+RKLVDdZWupLG
RkJe+H3j4x2NodQuaj7PoFgWOshVMMbgtmL6SETg9k/s5rm3HYlrTShPhTdwj8QzGJ+r0WIn
MnUhT2pyhsF+l3kmfoSJM1veprvp0k/FrjhPBHZz1LI0e003tj1JpBmSv+aHJQAIqs8k3TIr
xTr7tZ+SHnw9Z24OnOoAayZte9DyCjYkYNd4yzeMFnblmngsjTwV9bP/O5tq9yHJVg9SThQT
bEQwggVGMIIDLqADAgECAgMELFwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBD
QTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNp
Z25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcwHhcN
MDcxMDE4MTgzMzI0WhcNMDkxMDE3MTgzMzI0WjBIMRwwGgYDVQQDExNGbG9yaWFuIE1hbnNj
aHdldHVzMSgwJgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhlGbG9yaWFuTWFuc2Nod2V0dXNAZ214LmRlMIIBIjAN
BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAthp0yOeLoxBjx7u/+S91Hjx0+m8nVEAFrHJP
X+OMHIVEZsj8TTG9tvMKZCBGljqbJ8QmGyn8Vu5yItMz+3kgIRoV4iPY8iz4CeDaRtThU9hM
s45JH9uQrQtTTvWWzGnFYnl4w8OHsz5Lib0sobA3BQFBEQlhvQ0++LTHT/QA3TMyPIf3l47+
o+H5c0w9lgLA3tYX3Uk5Mwext0jAbQbuieOgmOqfd3qWorP8dQsxZMwybIdK+3YdLRxoVQhp
EdWzdeUgdkISHQkd/iYtRdVvP+7oGpOrrURFM+C8WD8P8H4iEWlR01T46OWMHw9II3Fkl8du
YFn9iUhFQcflQ696NQIDAQABo4IBBjCCAQIwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADBWBglghkgBhvhCAQ0E
SRZHVG8gZ2V0IHlvdXIgb3duIGNlcnRpZmljYXRlIGZvciBGUkVFIGhlYWQgb3ZlciB0byBo
dHRwOi8vd3d3LkNBY2VydC5vcmcwQAYDVR0lBDkwNwYIKwYBBQUHAwQGCCsGAQUFBwMCBgor
BgEEAYI3CgMEBgorBgEEAYI3CgMDBglghkgBhvhCBAEwMgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEJjAkMCIGCCsG
AQUFBzABhhZodHRwOi8vb2NzcC5jYWNlcnQub3JnMCQGA1UdEQQdMBuBGUZsb3JpYW5NYW5z
Y2h3ZXR1c0BnbXguZGUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADggIBADOoYfW9h3oUNfwTfQlR4f07heBH
pLU7hFcBqroOhxgM9xDhzBMnx3OmIhnjRV8wo7uSLvVCfLU5pSpczjrP9/aH+e+JJHciTW5N
nqU7hMTeDxPIuurlAFTuDuDKWHHY8dcp4rimKIjo/6f6jAhUQiGE92llr7oCZ6VIe4xOQdbR
mANq/XGi7KlHgNvIteBHtxCQOeeHiqbcsLI5V6dCbjovxykssQy9ZcJPZEzde3vD/mo1Mt6g
N0uKNPhCTvit2O9PTPeNWZ0+Z5Mgg6l3yZPIpSrXBkDsPCsOodeZGk8aDomZxF0RmPbqL7/R
0yUsyPYc8DWbhOhgj6M9/jw0QWc0rzECJxB5+jvNRze7hBJY1bL0wMZ3OBqit4nZg35/d1+Q
YIWFErq3aALCZP6ivjHtDzW6G4rNnasLvJmSaOe7+5ZHhIP2+6zLlVmFpBrwW/vjPkSi1Q3W
VrqSxkZCXvh94+MdjaHULmo+z6BYFjrIVTDG4LZi+khE4PZP7Oa5tx2Ja00oT4U3cI/EMxif
q9FiJzJ1IU9qcobBfpd5Jn6EiTNb3qa76dJPxa44TwR2c9SyNHtNN7Y9SaQZkr/mhyUACKrP
JN0yK8U6+7Wfkh58PWduDpzqAGsmbXvQ8go2JGDXeMs3jBZ25Zp4LI08FfWz/zubavchyVYP
Uk4UE2xEMYIDlDCCA5ACAQEwgYAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0
cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5
MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcCAwQsXDAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIB
6DAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wOTAyMTgxNzM2
MjhaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBSLzXTXcAZbwDrKYV31nYNJ9o5P6jBfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8x
UjBQMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBAjAKBggqhkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcN
AwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICASgwgZEGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBgzCBgDB5MRAw
DgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNV
BAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRA
Y2FjZXJ0Lm9yZwIDBCxcMIGTBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzGBg6CBgDB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290
IENBMR4wHAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQg
U2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZwID
BCxcMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIIBAHkvq7Ics8ghx2OS7oaHa5/v0ZK0TB4WqS0PhnjjjRuK
ISk3jqdos+ZUIgFkmS/Mx/I9ZwoXWQBWbDaAMmqqW7GUN/lvFuq8KOnFMb1IzwfVAub7Jf6B
cd9E2g8br+UEsthwJObTw8Ldrbs16XKDIm9/IuqNubDhsUBZJD17hvWUzaRdKoPhkTZ9qCko
0miYS3M2d8oYTov11gSQFrnYl9/Egx7zEielrjkiyjS+Od5I6quZlgeWp7RmsyGtTEPZeLqq
eJUtnVeptQs7wo9tSQlQ07gWy+IHhyC2oE1n4G9C43cHaIfS31f2qAC52DsHN/LlxKaLU1UO
vSza/aZ0CZoAAAAAAAA=
--------------ms080005030502090309080902--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 17:46:17 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Florian Manschwetus)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:46:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] thinkpad-sources-2.6.28-r2 jetzt auch wieder bei jokey
In-Reply-To: <499C471C.6060500@gmx.de>
References: <499C471C.6060500@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <499C4969.3050601@gmx.de>

This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.

--------------ms020009090900060705030404
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Florian Manschwetus schrieb:
> http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/dev/jokey/trunk/sys-kernel/thinkpad-sour=
ces/
> zus=E4tzlich hdapsd und tp_smapi
> http://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/dev/jokey/trunk/app-laptop/
>=20
> regards,
> florian
>=20
uhm, sorry for the german topic, I'm a bit stressed these days, sorry.
florian

--------------ms020009090900060705030404
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s"
Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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--------------ms020009090900060705030404--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 17:48:31 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:48:31 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090218151513.GG3600@mini-me.lan>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

  <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>
  <20090218151513.GG3600@mini-me.lan>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

> I've been looking into this.  There are a couple of things going on
> here, actually.  The first is lack of TRIM support. (...)

TRIM & Co will be generation 3. Currently nothing supports it. Yes, it
will solve problems in the future, but right now ... we will have to
deal with the erase-all way of things and lots of generation 1 drives.

SSD will get a lot better once everything knows about the flash.

> The second problem is that the default MS-DOS partition scheme doesn't
> align the filesystem on the erase blocks, which makes it almost
> impossible for the filesystem to do a good job even if it could.

Yes, that is also part of the once-everything-knows-about block.

BTW.: you don't need a partition table under linux. mkfs.xyz /dev/sdb
works fine. But there is no space for a bootloader.

> As far as the journaling is concerned, the journal is a contiguous
> file on disk so writes to it end up being efficient.

Yes and no: let's assume you create a new file and write a bit of data.
The journal needs to kown about (i'm not 100% sure about ext3,
extrapolating from DB-commit logs here):

- the new file (first write, 10-50 bytes, metadata)
- the change in the directory-node (another small write)
- the change in the access time of the dir-node (another one,
   can by switched off)
- the commit of these changes (...)

(writing file content)

- the change in the free-node list
- changes in the metadata (size, maybe atime (can be disabled))
- the commit of these changes.

Each point is a write. These will not translate into one big
block-device write. There should be at least 2, probably 3, maybe
even more block-device writes. And each write causes a block erase
(in generation 0 and 1 SSDs).

For gen. 2, like the intel, each write can be rerouted to a
different flashblock. That sounds like a very big LUT and a lot of
trouble. But it will be faster and ext3 will no longer suffer.
And these new SSD do NCQ. That should combine a lot of writes
into one big commit.

> The big deal is making sure that the filesystem is aligned on an erase
> block, which I can do if I choose partitioning paremeters of 224 heads
> and 56 sectors/track --- that leads to 12544 sectors/cylinder, or
> 49*128k per cyclinder.  The first partition will still not be 128k
> aligned, but that's OK --- we'll just call that /boot, which doesn't
> get modified very often.  Subsequent partitions will be aligned on an
> cylinder boundary, so will be 128k aligned, and after I do a quick
> hack to e2fsprogs, the journal will also be conveniently set up to be
> aligned on a 128k boundary.

That may or may not help. i'm not sure if the intels can profit from that
setup.

> Small files are small files, and there isn't too much that can be done
> about them; however, the ext4 filesystem *does* have the ability to
> understand that files should be aligned on raid stripes, so with the
> appropriate mke2fs parameters, it should be possible to align large
> files on 128k erase blocks, which should help the write amplification
> problem tremendously.

Nope. Example:

The SSD has a block A filled with data:

XXXYYYZZZ

The OS starts a new file, it gets allocated somewhere inside
block A. The filecontent is:

1122

So the SSD turns A into:

XX1122ZZZ

To get that the SSD has to (in one way or another):
- read the block
- erase the whole block
- write back the whole block.

The Intel way is to split the flash-blocks into smaller parts
(same example again with generation 2): The new data (1122)
is written. The old block A has valid data inside. So the SSD
searchs for space in a free, pre-erased block (let's call it B)
and writes the data inside:

A:         B:
XXXYYYZZZ  1122FFFFFF

The FFFFF-part of B is invalid and can be used for the next
small write. The XYYY is invalid and access to that region
is rerouted to B. A is erased if all the data in A becomes
invalid.

Generation 2 does not need aligned files. It simply does
not care.

The system fails if you have no more free blocks to play
with. Things go south once all your blocks are 70% valid
and contain old, "overwritten" data. At that point you
need a SSD-internal defrag to get a some fresh free blocks.
And the intels fail to do that.

TRIM will increase the number of free blocks and solve the
problem (and creates a new one: how to you recover deleted
files if the SSD no longer knows where they are...) if the
fs supports it.

> As far as your test lab is concerned, what program are you using to
> simulate filesystem aging, out of curiosity --- and are you seeing the
> performance degredation on writes only, or on reads as well?

The test lab is about running DBs and email servers. We used some
SSDs "for fun" to see if it helps or not. No large scale testing.
So far they all suck for commit-logs/journals. Generation 1 didn't
work fast at all. Generation 2 (consumer edition) writespeeds go
south after 5-8 days of intensive use. The readspeeds suffer,
but not much.

But generation 1 drives are cool for swap if you use big blocks
(512 KB). But the bang/buck ratio still sucks if you can just add
another 4 GB RAM. The costs of generation 2 are too high for swap
(and i didn't test them after the results from the commit/journal
test).

SSDs are best for readonly DBs containing a lot of small
informations read in a random order. These rock with all generations.

> I figure I can get a paper and a trip to
> Linux.conf.au out of it.  :-)

I wish you luck and want a copy.

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 18:34:41 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:34:41 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: static discharge
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>  
Message-ID: <499C54C1.4010306@rogers.com>

Christoph Bier wrote:
> Daniel Castro schrieb:
> 
>> well i wouldn't say it is normal for laptops to take ESDs, it has 
>> never happened to me anyway... and it's the first time i hear it from 
>> someone else.
> 
> I observed it a few times on my 3 month old ThinkPad and it always 
> happens at the finger print reader.

If you're worried about it, just touch a metal part of the case first.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 19:29:56 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (green)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:29:56 -0600
Subject: [ltp] static discharge
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys> 
Message-ID: <20090218192956.GB20312@swansys>

--DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, 2009-02-18, 049, Daniel Castro wrote:
>    well i wouldn't say it is normal for laptops to take ESDs, it has never
>    happened to me anyway... and it's the first time i hear it from someone
>    else.
>    i'd say it has a lot to do with the environment you are in, maybe to d=
ry?
>    your shoes? the cloth you wear? i know i have a specific jacket for
>    example that every time i use it i'll be frying my fingers against
>    everything i touch...

The environment was indeed bad for ESDs (bad shoes, low humidity, thick=20
carpet) and I am familiar with dealing with the possibility of ESDs when=20
working inside a system.  But not with the necessity of worrying about it w=
hen=20
just _using_ a system.

--DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAkmcYbQACgkQ682C+dBP+oQ/7wCg1E3E9Ul1IuiT8fIpGbzQ8I5H
PIoAoPYVtuliMTFniRuloico4hia2QCm
=7k+K
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--DKU6Jbt7q3WqK7+M--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 19:35:57 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (green)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:35:57 -0600
Subject: [ltp] Re: static discharge
In-Reply-To: <499C54C1.4010306@rogers.com>
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>   <499C54C1.4010306@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20090218193557.GC20312@swansys>

--bKyqfOwhbdpXa4YI
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, 2009-02-18, 049, James Knott wrote:
> Christoph Bier wrote:
>> Daniel Castro schrieb:
>>> well i wouldn't say it is normal for laptops to take ESDs, it has =20
>>> never happened to me anyway... and it's the first time i hear it from=
=20
>>> someone else.
>>
>> I observed it a few times on my 3 month old ThinkPad and it always =20
>> happens at the finger print reader.
>
> If you're worried about it, just touch a metal part of the case first.

Where?  On my T61 there are several places that often I feel a discharge to=
=20
that do not look like metal.  Then there is the VGA port which would probab=
ly=20
"grounded to the case".  But why would one be better than another anyway? =
=20
Where is the charge discharged to?  The battery (see my original post)?  No=
te=20
that it has happened when the system is not connected to AC (not that it wo=
uld=20
be grounded when connected anyway).

--bKyqfOwhbdpXa4YI
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: Digital signature
Content-Disposition: inline

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAkmcYx0ACgkQ682C+dBP+oQwxwCgsoUmF1waHpsIoy6maNdNzZh6
V50An29bvyU5U4NiMKzBwwusFGeqGGEv
=pOlQ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--bKyqfOwhbdpXa4YI--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 19:36:35 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:36:35 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>    <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>  <20090218151513.GG3600@mini-me.lan> 
Message-ID: <20090218193635.GN3600@mini-me.lan>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 06:48:31PM +0100, Laurent wrote:
> Yes and no: let's assume you create a new file and write a bit of data.
> The journal needs to kown about (i'm not 100% sure about ext3,
> extrapolating from DB-commit logs here):
>
> ....
>
> Each point is a write. These will not translate into one big
> block-device write. There should be at least 2, probably 3, maybe
> even more block-device writes. And each write causes a block erase
> (in generation 0 and 1 SSDs).

The ext3 journaling combines multiple fileysystem operations into a
single commit.  By default, commits take place every 5 seconds (or
every 10 minutes if laptop mode is enabled); commits can happen sooner
if there is memory pressure, or if the application explicitly calls
fsync().  This tends to avoid small writes for the journal in general,
unless there are problematic applications that are calling fsync() all
of the time.

>> Small files are small files, and there isn't too much that can be done
>> about them; however, the ext4 filesystem *does* have the ability to
>> understand that files should be aligned on raid stripes, so with the
>> appropriate mke2fs parameters, it should be possible to align large
>> files on 128k erase blocks, which should help the write amplification
>> problem tremendously.
>
> Nope. Example...
>

Sorry, I combined two thoughts into one.  As I said, for small files,
there's not much we can do.  So we agree there.

But for _large_ files, aligning on erase boundaries *should* help.  It
avoids the need to "read the block", "erase the whole block" and
"write back the whole block"; and even if the block was previously
fragmented because small files, the moment we can allocate the block
for a large file, it should allow the SSD to reassemble it into a
single contiguous block.

> The system fails if you have no more free blocks to play
> with. Things go south once all your blocks are 70% valid
> and contain old, "overwritten" data. At that point you
> need a SSD-internal defrag to get a some fresh free blocks.
> And the intels fail to do that.

Where did you get the 70% figure from?  That seems to be a pretty low
number.  I've been given the hint from someone who should know that
absent the TRIM command, reserving a 1GB partition which is left
completetly unused and untouched is enough to significantly help.

> TRIM & Co will be generation 3. Currently nothing supports it. Yes, it
> will solve problems in the future, but right now ... we will have to
> deal with the erase-all way of things and lots of generation 1 drives.

There is at least some claim that TRIM support might be coming with a
firmware update to the X25-M.  We'll see if that is true.  I hope so,
given how much I paid for the silly thing!  ;-)

Personally, I'm not particularly interested in generation 1 drives.
The interesting question is how to tune a filesystem and the storage
stack so that what you call "gen 2" drives (for which the Intel X25-M
is the only shipping example I'm aware of at the moment, although
rumor has it that Sandisk will be shipping a product into this space
soon) will work well --- with or without TRIM support.

>> As far as your test lab is concerned, what program are you using to
>> simulate filesystem aging, out of curiosity --- and are you seeing the
>> performance degredation on writes only, or on reads as well?
>
> The test lab is about running DBs and email servers. We used some
> SSDs "for fun" to see if it helps or not. No large scale testing.
> So far they all suck for commit-logs/journals. Generation 1 didn't
> work fast at all. Generation 2 (consumer edition) writespeeds go
> south after 5-8 days of intensive use. The readspeeds suffer,
> but not much.

When you say intensive use, was this with the DB commit-logs or e-mail
use case, or both?  Both of these will probably be the worst case for
SSD's because of the high fsync() load on the filesystem.  So I can
definitely see how ext3 would be highly problematic for those sorts of
workloads.  

(Of course, using ext2 on an e-mail server where there's no guarantee
the filesystem will be consistent or that there won't be data loss
after a system crash has its own problems.  I suspect the right answer
for e-mail servers is to stick with HDD's, and if you really want to
throw money at the problem and have scalability problems, use multiple
servers and MX records for the front-end hub, and multiple PO/IMAP
servers for the back-end.  I used to be on MIT's network operations
group, so I know something about engineering very large scale mail
server infrastructure.  We played with battery-backed DRAM's for the
spool directory, but *man* that stuff was expensive....)

Personally, I see SDD's as being most useful for laptop workloads,
where the power and shock resistance is worthwhile.  Given the price
issues with the SSD's, in enterprise database workloads, RAID will
probably given you better write speeds at a given price level, and for
commit logs and mail servers, write speeds will generally far more
important than read speeds.  I suppose you're right that they're
useful for read-only or read-mostly DB's, but that's not terribly
interesting, is it?  :-) Most of the read-only tables I can think
about are small enough they can fit in memory --- I suppose the entire
airline pricing rules db as used by Orbitz and company might be one
such example, but even then, it's probably not *that* big.

     	      	       	     	  	       - Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 19:47:39 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:47:39 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: static discharge
In-Reply-To: <20090218193557.GC20312@swansys>
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>   <499C54C1.4010306@rogers.com> <20090218193557.GC20312@swansys>
Message-ID: <499C65DB.1020902@rogers.com>

green wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-02-18, 049, James Knott wrote:
>> Christoph Bier wrote:
>>> Daniel Castro schrieb:
>>>> well i wouldn't say it is normal for laptops to take ESDs, it has  
>>>> never happened to me anyway... and it's the first time i hear it from 
>>>> someone else.
>>> I observed it a few times on my 3 month old ThinkPad and it always  
>>> happens at the finger print reader.
>> If you're worried about it, just touch a metal part of the case first.
> 
> Where?  On my T61 there are several places that often I feel a discharge to 
> that do not look like metal.  Then there is the VGA port which would probably 
> "grounded to the case".  But why would one be better than another anyway?  
> Where is the charge discharged to?  The battery (see my original post)?  Note 
> that it has happened when the system is not connected to AC (not that it would 
> be grounded when connected anyway).

The metal case components, including connector shells are the best place 
to touch.  This prevents discharging into some electronic device that 
may be damaged by it.  Touching something on the outside, is probably 
safe, but you certainly don't want to be poking around the circuit 
board, without grounding yourself to the case first.  Connector signal 
pins generally have some protection against shocks, but a big enough 
discharge can still cause damage.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 20:02:34 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:02:34 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>    <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan> 
Message-ID: <499C695A.5070408@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Laurent wrote:

> 
> For the current generation it's a matter of erasing the blocks fast
> enough. Most SSD are fast as long as the blocks written by the OS
> are as big or bigger as the native block size. Ext3 journal is messy
> and syncs lot lots of small blocks. That make the disc a lot slower
> if you use lots of smalls files (like my email client or my dev-app).
> 

Does write performance really matter though? I'd have thought that it 
should be OK to live with background writes - as long as we have enough 
RAM. Linux has been doing this for ages - try saving a file to floppy, 
and you'll notice that the application thinks the file has been saved 
before the floppy disk has finished writing.

Richard

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 20:25:34 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:25:34 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <499C695A.5070408@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

  <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>
  <499C695A.5070408@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

> Does write performance really matter though? I'd have thought that it  
> should be OK to live with background writes - as long as we have enough  
> RAM. Linux has been doing this for ages - try saving a file to floppy,  
> and you'll notice that the application thinks the file has been saved  
> before the floppy disk has finished writing.

Linux is fine with background writes. But a lot of programms sync at the
end of writes (like opera and most java-based stuff). And that blocks
till the write is 100% done.

It's fine if all programms allow lazy writes. But that's not the case.

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 20:32:03 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:32:03 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>    <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>  <499C695A.5070408@hermes.cam.ac.uk> 
Message-ID: <499C7043.6030909@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

Laurent wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> Does write performance really matter though? I'd have thought that it 
>> should be OK to live with background writes - as long as we have 
>> enough RAM. Linux has been doing this for ages - try saving a file to 
>> floppy, and you'll notice that the application thinks the file has 
>> been saved before the floppy disk has finished writing.
> 
> Linux is fine with background writes. But a lot of programms sync at the
> end of writes (like opera and most java-based stuff). And that blocks
> till the write is 100% done.
> 
> It's fine if all programms allow lazy writes. But that's not the case.
> 

Doesn't laptop mode do something to change this, i.e. pretend that sync 
has taken place when it hasn't?

Richard

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 20:45:58 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:45:58 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <499C7043.6030909@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>    <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>  <499C695A.5070408@hermes.cam.ac.uk>  <499C7043.6030909@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20090218204558.GP3600@mini-me.lan>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:32:03PM +0000, Richard Neill wrote:
>
> Doesn't laptop mode do something to change this, i.e. pretend that sync  
> has taken place when it hasn't?

Not today.  I did talk with the Laptop Mode developer at FOSDEM about
2 weeks ago about the possibility of adding something like that ---
but the political issues make it a little contentious, since it means
violating POSIX guarantees and taking control out of the hands of the
application programmer about when something is guaranteed to be on
disk or not.

This is basically sort of like TeX, where there are differing levels
of "infinity" in terms of how hard \hfil, \hfill, and \hfilll will
force words to be typeset flush against a margin.  An e-mail server
might want a different level of No, really, this MUST MUST MUST be on
disk compared to firefox which is randomly calling sync because it
thinks its config file ought to make it to media more regularly.

And the thing which scares me is various GNOME and KDE applications
with potentially hundreds of tiny little dot files; if some
application writer were to call fsync() after each one, it would be a
complete performance disaster for ext3.

We think we came up with a way that should work --- basically a
process personality flag which causes fsync to work normally (the
default), be ignored, or be ignored only if a certain global kernel
flag which would be set/reset by laptop mode ) that would be inherited
across fork and exec's.  That way you could use a PAM login module to
turn on the process personality flag, but it wouldn't necessarily
affect system daemons unless they explicitly turn on/off the flag
themselves.

						- Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 18 21:19:39 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:19:39 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: <20090218193635.GN3600@mini-me.lan>
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

  <20090218131122.GC3600@mini-me.lan>
  <20090218151513.GG3600@mini-me.lan>
  <20090218193635.GN3600@mini-me.lan>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

> The ext3 journaling combines multiple fileysystem operations into a
> single commit.  By default, commits take place every 5 seconds (or
> every 10 minutes if laptop mode is enabled); commits can happen sooner
> if there is memory pressure, or if the application explicitly calls
> fsync().  This tends to avoid small writes for the journal in general,
> unless there are problematic applications that are calling fsync() all
> of the time.

hmmm... i should check our software for unneeded syncs. Thanks for
the info. I always assumed the fs driver is writing each log entry
with a separate call to the block device.

>> The system fails if you have no more free blocks to play
>> with. Things go south once all your blocks are 70% valid
>> and contain old, "overwritten" data. At that point you
>> need a SSD-internal defrag to get a some fresh free blocks.
>> And the intels fail to do that.
>
> Where did you get the 70% figure from?

Tests with the intel. It starts to slow done once you wrote 170% of
the capacity in small DB commits.

> When you say intensive use, was this with the DB commit-logs or e-mail
> use case, or both?

First the one, then the other. Both degraded badly.

> (Of course, using ext2 on an e-mail server where there's no guarantee
> the filesystem will be consistent or that there won't be data loss
> after a system crash has its own problems.  I suspect the right answer
> for e-mail servers is to stick with HDD's, and if you really want to
> throw money at the problem and have scalability problems, use multiple
> servers and MX records for the front-end hub, and multiple PO/IMAP
> servers for the back-end.  I used to be on MIT's network operations
> group, so I know something about engineering very large scale mail
> server infrastructure.  We played with battery-backed DRAM's for the
> spool directory, but *man* that stuff was expensive....)

(a single server with a decent RAID can handle our mail fine. But the
RAID controller failed and looking for alternatives turned up 3 SSDs.
And for the DB ... sometimes you will do anything for a cheap
speedboost. It was one of those lets-try-it moments.)

> I suppose you're right that they're
> useful for read-only or read-mostly DB's, but that's not terribly
> interesting, is it?  :-)

Think about youtube. You have several TB of data doing mostly nothing
(stored and streamed from RAID/HDD, no problem) and ~ 500 - 2000 GB of
interessting data that is streamed all the time. It's hard to fill
GEthernet links from a RAID reading like ~25000 files at the
same time. Possible, but hard and expensive. RAM is another possible,
but even more expensive solution.

It is no problem with cheap SSDs. Just don't write while streaming.

We have the same problem, but with smaller datasets (about 5KB, about
800GB total). The software knows which datasets to get (~25 000 in
one go but at random positions). But we also modify and write back
parts of the data. And here the SSD failed, even with a non-ACID
DB (no/little commit log. Just 2KB writes at random positions).
Now people are running tests with a r/o-DB and a second one for
the changes. No results so far.

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 19 08:45:55 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:45:55 +0100
Subject: [ltp] lenovo w700: no brightness control under fedora 10, latest kernel
 latest X11, nvidia x11 driver
Message-ID: <20090219094555.78daa9cb.j.rink@freenet.de>

Hi,
here the fn brightness + and - key will not function under fedora 10,
X11 latest nvidia driver from rpmfusion.

Is this a kernel problem? an thinkpad acpi problem?

Anyone here with the same problem?

And i have no console when i switch to strg alt F2, screen is black.

-- 
Nine (not 9)
Never trust a hippie

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 19 21:10:45 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:10:45 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

Message-ID: 

>> What makes you say not to use ext3?
>> AFAICT, it should not make much difference: at most double the number of
>> writes, i.e. halve the expected life of your drive.
> The journal causes a lot of small writes.  Small writes have a bigger
> write amplification, so it's a lot more data for the SSD. That makes
> it slow.  I don't worry about the number of writes, but i do want
> a fast system.

So that which makes you say to avoid ext3 is your expectation of how you
think it works, which doesn't actually correspond to how it does work.
Right?
So, your recommendation "don't use ext3" seems seriously excessive.

Or have you actually measured the performance problem?

        Stefan

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 11:22:43 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Phil Shotton)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:22:43 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Wifi suddenly not working
In-Reply-To: 
References: <499AE236.5070401@stairbridge.org.uk> 
Message-ID: <499E9283.6050007@stairbridge.org.uk>

Rob Smith wrote:
>
>
> How about the authentication type? Are you inputting a WPA passcode 
> with the system set to accept a WEP key? It's the little things, ya know?
>
> -- 
> Rob Smith
>
> Posted via #!CrunchBang Linux (v.8.10.01)
> A lightweight Ubuntu distribution.
> Because software, like people, should be allowed to exist in an open, 
> sharing community, and not kept contained by corporate greed!
All authentication settings correct. I bought an external USB wifi 
dongle (Belkin N) and it connected fine with the same settings. Still no 
joy from internal card even through several reboots. Then arrived at 
work today, resumed from suspend, and all of a sudden it's working again!

No idea what's going on, but maybe there's an intermittent connection on 
the wifi card and moving the laptop around had got it going again.

Phil

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 12:13:38 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Daniel Castro)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:13:38 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Re: How does a uevent work for dock/undock on thinkpads?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 

 <20090211210330.GB21228@legolas.on.net.mk>

Message-ID: 

--001485f6454839602d0463589598
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On my last details to get this going I have a small issue.
If someone could see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075368 and
have an idea of how to go about this I would really appreciate it.

Thanks!

2009/2/12 Stefan Monnier 

> >> A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rules.d/00-trace.rules
> >> that just contains:
> >>
> >> NAME==".*", RUN+="printenv | logger -t udevd"
>
> > udevadm monitor will do the same thing
>
> Great, thanks.
>
>
>        Stefan
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
>

-- 
________________________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie
________________________

--001485f6454839602d0463589598
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On my last details to get this going I have a small issue.
If someone co=
uld see http=
://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3D1075368 and have an idea of how =
to go about this I would really appreciate it.

Thanks!

2009/2/12 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.u=
montreal.ca>

>> A first step might be to add a /etc/udev/rul=
es.d/00-trace.rules

>> that just contains:

>>

>> NAME=3D=3D".*", RUN+=3D"printenv | logger -t udevd&=
quot;

> udevadm monitor will do the same thing

Great, thanks.

        Stefan

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

-- 
___________=
_____________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie

________________________

--001485f6454839602d0463589598--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 07:24:45 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (kinsei)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:24:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ltp] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <498FD398.1030008@gmx.net>
References: <498D53C5.9080906@ieee.org> <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net> <498FD398.1030008@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <22115991.post@talk.nabble.com>

I have just recently built a machine and have been having all sorts of
problems transferring the majority of my data onto it.  

My Machine has a Intel core i7 Quad Core 2.67Ghz, 12 GB of Corsair Dominator
RAM @ 1600MHz, 2 64 GB SSDs, and 6x 1.5 TB HDs for my storage.

I have tried both OpenSUSE 11.1 and Ubuntu 8.10.  I have tried using
FAKERaid on my mobo, SOFTRaid in the Linux Kernel, and finally splurged for
an adaptec 5805 and am still experiencing issues transferring large files. 
The system used to be unrecoverable until I got the RAID controller, but now
I am able to see everything has been due to these CPU lockup errors.

This definitely is starting to feel like a kernel bug and I hope it won't
force me back to windows.... :-(

Please find a fix!
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/BUG%3A-soft-lockup---CPU-0-stuck-for-61s%21-tp21886515p22115991.html
Sent from the Linux Thinkpad mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 15:08:57 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Laurent)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:08:57 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

Message-ID: 

Hi,

>> The journal causes a lot of small writes.  Small writes have a bigger
>> write amplification, so it's a lot more data for the SSD. That makes
>> it slow.  I don't worry about the number of writes, but i do want
>> a fast system.
>
> So that which makes you say to avoid ext3 is your expectation of how you
> think it works, which doesn't actually correspond to how it does work.
> Right?

For my workload (lot's of syncs) it does work the way i described it.
The journal is updated at each sync (=after each write).

> Or have you actually measured the performance problem?

ext3 is 3:1 slower then ext2. For my workload.

cu

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 15:42:29 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Karsten =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6nig?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:42:29 +0100
Subject: [ltp] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <22115991.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <498D53C5.9080906@ieee.org> <498FD398.1030008@gmx.net> <22115991.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <200902201642.30128.remur@gmx.net>

Am Freitag 20 Februar 2009 08:24:45 schrieb kinsei:
> I have just recently built a machine and have been having all sorts of
> problems transferring the majority of my data onto it.

> This definitely is starting to feel like a kernel bug and I hope it won't
> force me back to windows.... :-(

The current oS 11.1 kernel has some issues, an update is on the way but taking 
quite long =/
It might be related to:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=463372

This affected every pre 2.6.26.10 kernel, so might be the true for ubuntu as 
well.

Cya,
Karsten

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 15:52:04 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:52:04 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk>     
Message-ID: <20090220155204.GA21429@mini-me.lan>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 04:08:57PM +0100, Laurent wrote:
> For my workload (lot's of syncs) it does work the way i described it.
> The journal is updated at each sync (=after each write).
>
>> Or have you actually measured the performance problem?
>
> ext3 is 3:1 slower then ext2. For my workload.

I'll note though that if you have ACID requirements for your database
(one of your workloads was for a database commit/journal log) using
ext2 is a Really Bad Idea.

The bottom line is that apparently, the Intel X25-M SSD, with the
current firmware version, isn't appear to be a good choice today for
fsync-heavy workloads.

							- Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 20 21:42:06 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Jeffrey Taylor)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:42:06 -0600
Subject: [ltp] restoring Windows XP on T41
Message-ID: <20090220214206.GC13017@odysseus.bearhouse.lan>

I've been trying to get Windows XP running inside VMware or VirtualBox.  In
the process I've trashed it.  So I did a re-install from the recovery
partition, it won't complete the installation.  It keeps rebooting during
sysprep and coming back to the same stage, with a chkdisk/scandisk during boot
each time.  I don't remember the sysprep from the last time I did a re-install
(it's been years) so I don't remember what I did that was successful.
Regardless less of what action I take Audit, Reseal, or the other, it comes
back to the same place each time, i.e., running sysprep.  I tried restoring
the partition from a dd copy (i.e., byte wise copy) and it blue screens with
an error message about unexpected interrupt.

Any suggestions on how to get back to a working Windows XP?  Tax time is
coming and TurboTax won't run in Wine or Crossover Office.

TIA,
  Jeffrey

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 21 02:38:59 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:38:59 -0300
Subject: [ltp] Re: cannot resume after hotplugging an ultrabay battery in T61p
In-Reply-To: <20090216170142.GG27832@merlins.org>
References: <20090122074248.GA13240@merlins.org> <20090130185856.GB20074@merlins.org> <20090216170142.GG27832@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20090221023859.GB9791@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> Were you able to find any config options that don't look good to you?

Sorry, no :(  But you have some heavy duty debugging stuff that you should
disable if you don't use them, like kprobes.  I'd also disable cgroup and
the group scheduler if you don't use them.

> Similarly, I have a nagging but annoying problem where my laptop will
> occasionally hard deadlock when I plug the power back in while it was
> running on batteries.

If you are using either nVidia or ATI proprietary drivers (sorry, I forgot
the details), they react to power management events like AC
connected/disconnected, and so I suppose a bug there might cause hangs.  If
it is a hard-to-hit race, the hangs would not happen very often.

I don't think the open drivers do this (i.e. they're not advanced enough for
that yet :p), though.  Maybe Intel's do, they're big on the PM stuff.  The
X.org server also wants to listen to acpi events nowadays (and does so,
probably through HAL), so it gets difficult to know for sure what might be
reacting to the AC connected event and causing a hang.

It could also be the BIOS fighting X.org.  Try telling the BIOS to not touch
the screen brightness level when you plug/unplug AC, and see if that stops
the hangs...

> I just upgraded to 2.6.28.4 so we'll see what happens, but if you have
> recommendations on kernel options, debugging, or other ideas, I'm all ears.
> (like can I debug on usb serial, or do I need real serial?)

No idea, sorry :(  Never tried it over serial, let alone usb-serial.  I'd
expect a real serial to work better, but the only way to know for sure is to
try.

There is a hideous hack to log data to the RTC (will scramble the time,
though, so it is not good if you cannot reproduce the problem easily as you
cannot really have that thing enabled all the time) that does work almost
always.

> > I take it that usb-serial won't work, but I think the docking station has
> > serial on it. I might be able to borrow one.
> > If I do and do serial console, would I get some output on that serial port
> > at resume time you think?

Here, when I last needed to use an ethernet console, it did work enough to
get the data.  But it was on 2.6.21 or thereabouts :(

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb 22 21:13:06 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Kundr=E1t?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:13:06 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: static discharge
In-Reply-To: <20090218193557.GC20312@swansys>
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>   <499C54C1.4010306@rogers.com> <20090218193557.GC20312@swansys>
Message-ID: <49A1BFE2.5030202@gentoo.org>

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156)
--------------enig7F424F025E5F3146DCE715F5
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

green wrote:
> Where?

Metal hinges that hold the lid seem like an ideal place. A massive piece =

of some metal is certainly better than anything near the circuit board.

> Then there is the VGA port which would probably "grounded to the case".=

"Too close to the electronics", I'd say.

> Where is the charge discharged to?

Nowhere. The process only transfers some electrons from your body to the =

laptop (or the other way round, depending on the initial difference),=20
thereby making the electric potentials equal [1]. It doesn't work like=20
"hey, it will be a big boom, can I charge the battery with it?".

Cheers,
-jkt

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge

--=20
cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth

--------------enig7F424F025E5F3146DCE715F5
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkmhv+IACgkQamXfqERyJRc7KACghT5FGtm1inJrjK9pzD3k1uVq
bugAn19t46qfnu7l3TC3RkxukipE5Y3z
=pyyW
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--------------enig7F424F025E5F3146DCE715F5--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb 22 22:37:11 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Hendrik-Jan Heins)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:37:11 +0100
Subject: [ltp] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <200902201642.30128.remur@gmx.net>
References: <498D53C5.9080906@ieee.org> <498FD398.1030008@gmx.net>
 <22115991.post@talk.nabble.com> <200902201642.30128.remur@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <871179400902221437g4eacb8aeu1f95650628596dff@mail.gmail.com>

Your machine is pushing into server territory. Try using a
distribution a bit more geared towards that, like Red Hat or Debian.
Debian just has a new stable version available.

good luck!

Hendrik-Jan

2009/2/20 Karsten K=C3=B6nig :
> Am Freitag 20 Februar 2009 08:24:45 schrieb kinsei:
>> I have just recently built a machine and have been having all sorts of
>> problems transferring the majority of my data onto it.
>
>> This definitely is starting to feel like a kernel bug and I hope it won'=
t
>> force me back to windows.... :-(
>
> The current oS 11.1 kernel has some issues, an update is on the way but t=
aking
> quite long =3D/
> It might be related to:
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D463372
>
> This affected every pre 2.6.26.10 kernel, so might be the true for ubuntu=
 as
> well.
>
>
> Cya,
> Karsten
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Feb 22 23:51:24 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:51:24 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: [ibm-acpi-devel] cannot resume after hotplugging an ultrabay battery in Z61p
In-Reply-To: <20090221023859.GB9791@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <20090122074248.GA13240@merlins.org> <20090130185856.GB20074@merlins.org> <20090216170142.GG27832@merlins.org> <20090221023859.GB9791@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <20090222235124.GA6400@merlins.org>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:38:59PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > Were you able to find any config options that don't look good to you?
> 
> Sorry, no :(  But you have some heavy duty debugging stuff that you should
> disable if you don't use them, like kprobes.  I'd also disable cgroup and
> the group scheduler if you don't use them.

I've turned them off and built 2.6.28.7. We'll see...

> > Similarly, I have a nagging but annoying problem where my laptop will
> > occasionally hard deadlock when I plug the power back in while it was
> > running on batteries.
> 
> If you are using either nVidia or ATI proprietary drivers (sorry, I forgot
> the details), they react to power management events like AC
> connected/disconnected, and so I suppose a bug there might cause hangs.  If
> it is a hard-to-hit race, the hangs would not happen very often.

Yes, I know about them. Luckily I'm now able to run standard kernel ATI dri
and Xorg drivers.

> I don't think the open drivers do this (i.e. they're not advanced enough for
> that yet :p), though.  Maybe Intel's do, they're big on the PM stuff.  The

They have no hooks, but the open source drivers seem to take less power than
the ATI ones did, even with the PM clock throttling stuff.

> X.org server also wants to listen to acpi events nowadays (and does so,
> probably through HAL), so it gets difficult to know for sure what might be
> reacting to the AC connected event and causing a hang.

Since I have a recent X.org I think it does that internally indeed, and I'm
really wondering if they are linked.

> It could also be the BIOS fighting X.org.  Try telling the BIOS to not touch
> the screen brightness level when you plug/unplug AC, and see if that stops
> the hangs...

Ah, good tip. I'll try that.

> > I just upgraded to 2.6.28.4 so we'll see what happens, but if you have
> > recommendations on kernel options, debugging, or other ideas, I'm all ears.
> > (like can I debug on usb serial, or do I need real serial?)
> 
> There is a hideous hack to log data to the RTC (will scramble the time,
> though, so it is not good if you cannot reproduce the problem easily as you
> cannot really have that thing enabled all the time) that does work almost
> always.

Ah, yes, I read about that. I'll have to try that to reproduce the battery
hang.

Thanks for the tips,
Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/  

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 23 02:55:51 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:55:51 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: static discharge
In-Reply-To: <49A1BFE2.5030202@gentoo.org>
References: <20090217225435.GA28991@swansys>   <499C54C1.4010306@rogers.com> <20090218193557.GC20312@swansys> <49A1BFE2.5030202@gentoo.org>
Message-ID: <49A21037.5080508@rogers.com>

Jan Kundrát wrote:
> green wrote:
>> Where?
>
> Metal hinges that hold the lid seem like an ideal place. A massive
> piece of some metal is certainly better than anything near the circuit
> board.
>
>> Then there is the VGA port which would probably "grounded to the case".
>
> "Too close to the electronics", I'd say.
>
It's hard to get far from the electronics.  Regardless, when you touch
any grounded component, including connector shells, that discharge goes
to ground, not the circuits.
>> Where is the charge discharged to?
>
> Nowhere. The process only transfers some electrons from your body to
> the laptop (or the other way round, depending on the initial
> difference), thereby making the electric potentials equal [1]. It
> doesn't work like "hey, it will be a big boom, can I charge the
> battery with it?".
>
> Cheers,
> -jkt
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge
>

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 23 13:11:22 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:11:22 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Problems with firmware 2.02?
Message-ID: 

Hello,

is anybody using firmware 2.02 with an X200s? If so, do you observe
new problems with this firmware?

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 23 13:58:23 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Volker Krueger)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:58:23 +0100
Subject: [ltp] slow wireless lan connection
Message-ID: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>

Hi,

I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.
the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs
or with scp.

On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN
the switch is a this classical linksys wireless-G switch, and the
workstation is using a DWL550+ using on a USB2 port.

I have checked the net a bit and it seems that experiences and comments
are diverging a bit. It's too much to summarize, here.

My impression is that this is a driver issue with the intel cards, but I
might be totally wrong.

Who has also a IWL5300 device and has perhaps similar experience with
wireless speed?

thanks in advance,
best,
Volker

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 23 14:43:46 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Bastholm)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:43:46 +0100
Subject: [ltp] slow wireless lan connection
In-Reply-To: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

--001636c5a484aab4c90463970792
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Throughtput should be at least 3MB/s for wireless-G. scan forother AP's and
see what they use for channels. Sometimes you can get better performance by
moving to a less used channel (such as 12 or 13). Also some cordless phones
operate on the 2,4ghz band and can cause speed problems. Also positioning
the antennas can influence the speed.

http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-008404.htm
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/837885/wifi_antenna_hack/ of course this woul=
d
probably be illegal, but hey, who cares ? :)

/adrian

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Volker Krueger  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.
> the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs
> or with scp.
>
> On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN
> the switch is a this classical linksys wireless-G switch, and the
> workstation is using a DWL550+ using on a USB2 port.
>
> I have checked the net a bit and it seems that experiences and comments
> are diverging a bit. It's too much to summarize, here.
>
> My impression is that this is a driver issue with the intel cards, but I
> might be totally wrong.
>
> Who has also a IWL5300 device and has perhaps similar experience with
> wireless speed?
>
> thanks in advance,
> best,
> Volker
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

--=20
V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

I would change the world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

--001636c5a484aab4c90463970792
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Throughtput should be at least 3MB/s for wireless-G. scan forother AP&#=
39;s and see what they use for channels. Sometimes you can get better perfo=
rmance by moving to a less used channel (such as 12 or 13). Also some cordl=
ess phones operate on the 2,4ghz band and can cause speed problems. Also po=
sitioning the antennas can influence the speed. 

http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-008404.htm
http://www.met=
acafe.com/watch/837885/wifi_antenna_hack/ of course this would probably=
 be illegal, but hey, who cares ? :)

/adrian

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:58 =
PM, Volker Krueger <vok@cvmi.aau.dk> wrote:

Hi,

I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.

the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs

or with scp.

On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN

the switch is a this classical linksys wireless-G switch, and the

workstation is using a DWL550+ using on a USB2 port.

I have checked the net a bit and it seems that experiences and comments

are diverging a bit. It's too much to summarize, here.

My impression is that this is a driver issue with the intel cards, but I
might be totally wrong.

Who has also a IWL5300 device and has perhaps similar experience with

wireless speed?

thanks in advance,

best,

Volker

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

-- 
V=C3=A4nliga h=
=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

I would change the=
 world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

--001636c5a484aab4c90463970792--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Feb 23 14:41:17 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (km)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:41:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
In-Reply-To: <22115991.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <498D53C5.9080906@ieee.org> <498F8F1F.50704@gmx.net> <498FD398.1030008@gmx.net> <22115991.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20090223144117.GA12089@hp.pi.se>

Could this be due to the firmware problems with the Seagate 1.5TB drives?

http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/message?board.id=ata_drives&thread.id=2879&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

On 19/02, kinsei wrote:
> 
> I have just recently built a machine and have been having all sorts of
> problems transferring the majority of my data onto it.  
> 
> My Machine has a Intel core i7 Quad Core 2.67Ghz, 12 GB of Corsair Dominator
> RAM @ 1600MHz, 2 64 GB SSDs, and 6x 1.5 TB HDs for my storage.
> 
> I have tried both OpenSUSE 11.1 and Ubuntu 8.10.  I have tried using
> FAKERaid on my mobo, SOFTRaid in the Linux Kernel, and finally splurged for
> an adaptec 5805 and am still experiencing issues transferring large files. 
> The system used to be unrecoverable until I got the RAID controller, but now
> I am able to see everything has been due to these CPU lockup errors.
> 
> This definitely is starting to feel like a kernel bug and I hope it won't
> force me back to windows.... :-(
> 
> Please find a fix!
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/BUG%3A-soft-lockup---CPU-0-stuck-for-61s%21-tp21886515p22115991.html
> Sent from the Linux Thinkpad mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> -- 
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Feb 24 21:18:27 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:18:27 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Re: solid state drive?
References: <49995E51.2030801@cvmi.aau.dk> 

Message-ID: 

> For my workload (lot's of syncs) it does work the way i described it.
> The journal is updated at each sync (=after each write).

Good point.  What workload did you have that suffered from so
many syncs?

>> Or have you actually measured the performance problem?
> ext3 is 3:1 slower then ext2. For my workload.

Do you happen to know how ext3 compare to ext2 in that same circumstance
but with a traditional HDD underneath?  I'd expect it also suffers
significantly.

        Stefan

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 02:28:24 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Luming Yu)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:28:24 +0800
Subject: [ltp] X61: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch?
Message-ID: <3877989d0902241828k256078f1vc5d6cc8f47b25ead@mail.gmail.com>

Hello list:

Has anybody seen this problem?
The wlan0 has been working until today..., I don't know any special
things done to the box.

Thanks,
Luming

[root@lyu2-MOBL1 ~]# ifconfig wlan0 up
[root@lyu2-MOBL1 ~]# dmesg
iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: restoring config space at offset 0x1 (was
0x100102, writing 0x100106)
iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: irq 29 for MSI/MSI-X
iwlagn: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 03:11:31 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:11:31 -0500
Subject: [ltp] X61: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch?
In-Reply-To: <3877989d0902241828k256078f1vc5d6cc8f47b25ead@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3877989d0902241828k256078f1vc5d6cc8f47b25ead@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A4B6E3.9010405@rogers.com>

Luming Yu wrote:
> Hello list:
>
> Has anybody seen this problem?
> The wlan0 has been working until today..., I don't know any special
> things done to the box.
>
> Thanks,
> Luming
>
> [root@lyu2-MOBL1 ~]# ifconfig wlan0 up
> [root@lyu2-MOBL1 ~]# dmesg
> iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
> iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: restoring config space at offset 0x1 (was
> 0x100102, writing 0x100106)
> iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: irq 29 for MSI/MSI-X
> iwlagn: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
>   
Does that computer have a switch for turning off WiFi?

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 03:46:32 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Luming Yu)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:46:32 +0800
Subject: [ltp] X61: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch?
In-Reply-To: <49A4B6E3.9010405@rogers.com>
References: <3877989d0902241828k256078f1vc5d6cc8f47b25ead@mail.gmail.com>
 <49A4B6E3.9010405@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <3877989d0902241946u4d05d2bdwcaa6164dc03c4234@mail.gmail.com>

>>
> Does that computer have a switch for turning off WiFi?

Ah, just found it on front end of back side of the box.
Do know who switch it off. Switch it on, the wireless led is on..
Thanks for hint.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 08:08:46 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:08:46 +0100
Subject: [ltp] slow wireless lan connection
In-Reply-To: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: <20090225080846.GA12465@x61>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 14:58:23 +0100, Volker Krueger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.
> the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs
> or with scp.
> 
> On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN
> the switch is a this classical linksys wireless-G switch, and the
> workstation is using a DWL550+ using on a USB2 port.

With the madwifi driver and several Netgear cards, I got ~3 MB/s to my
Linksys WRT54GS. The wireless in my X61 (IWL 4965) is a bit slower,
like 2,5-2,8 MB/s in the same environment.

It sounds like your 2 computers share the wireless connection. I don't
know if they share the bandwidth in this case.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 21:51:14 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Axel Braun)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:51:14 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
Message-ID: 

Gents,

I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
- long battery runtime(!)
- SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
- useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
- WLAN on board

The Samsung NC10 would be nice for the long runtime, but no Linux option.
Any recommendations? IdeaPad?

Thx!
-- 
Linux on a ThinkPad: www.axxite.com/brn

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 22:00:47 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (jnjb)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:00:47 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <49A5BF8F.3090001@free.fr>

Axel Braun a écrit :
> Gents,
> 
> I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
> - long battery runtime(!)
> - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
> - WLAN on board
> 
> The Samsung NC10 would be nice for the long runtime, but no Linux option.
> Any recommendations? IdeaPad?
> 
> Thx!
thinkpad x40 whith big battery

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Feb 25 23:05:53 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Bastholm)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:05:53 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <49A5BF8F.3090001@free.fr>
References:  <49A5BF8F.3090001@free.fr>
Message-ID: 

--001636498e2d13560c0463c64791
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thinkpad T61 with big battery, you can get it with Suse preinstalled I've
heard

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:00 PM, jnjb  wrote:

> Axel Braun a =C3=A9crit :
> > Gents,
> >
> > I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
> > - long battery runtime(!)
> > - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> > - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
> > - WLAN on board
> >
> > The Samsung NC10 would be nice for the long runtime, but no Linux optio=
n.
> > Any recommendations? IdeaPad?
> >
> > Thx!
> thinkpad x40 whith big battery
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

--=20
V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

I would change the world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

--001636498e2d13560c0463c64791
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thinkpad T61 with big battery, you can get it with Suse preinstalled I'=
ve heard

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:00 PM=
, jnjb <jnjb@free.fr> wrote:

Axel Braun a =C3=
=A9crit :

> Gents,

>

> I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with

> - long battery runtime(!)

> - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk

> - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*

> - WLAN on board

>

> The Samsung NC10 would be nice for the long runtime, but no Linux opti=
on.

> Any recommendations? IdeaPad?

>

> Thx!

thinkpad x40 whith big battery

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

-- 
V=C3=A4nlig=
a h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

I would change =
the world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

--001636498e2d13560c0463c64791--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 00:24:35 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Gary Woodman)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:24:35 +1000
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <491FEA7094074F56827A2F95865DE8E7@global.enterprise>

I've just been through this, and it looks like there's no such thing (at
least here in Australia). Thinkpads suggested are not netbooks :-)

All netbooks have WLAN. Nearest would be Dell Mini 9 with Ubuntu (Lini 9 -
preinstall only available in the US AFAIK) and a large battery option. Next
would be Eee901 with Xandros Linux preinstall: nice hardware, but I'm
finding that marginally usable (weak and broken repository).

Your options expand dramatically if you can pay the M$ tax ;-)

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: linux-thinkpad-admin@linux-thinkpad.org
[mailto:linux-thinkpad-admin@linux-thinkpad.org] On Behalf Of Axel Braun
Sent: 26 February 2009 07:51
To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine

Gents,

I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
- long battery runtime(!)
- SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
- useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
- WLAN on board

The Samsung NC10 would be nice for the long runtime, but no Linux option.
Any recommendations? IdeaPad?

Thx!
--
Linux on a ThinkPad: www.axxite.com/brn

--
The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 01:03:04 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Karsten =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6nig?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:03:04 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200902260203.04854.remur@gmx.net>

Am Mittwoch 25 Februar 2009 22:51:14 schrieb Axel Braun:
> Gents,
>
> I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
> - long battery runtime(!)
> - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
> - WLAN on board

Check this for information
http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/10-inch-netbook-faceoff.aspx

You propably have no real choice to get a linux netbook with decent specs, the 
only proper one is the Lenovo Ideapad and the Dell Studio 9., otherwise it is 
down to windows only =/ Choice in Europe seems even more limited =(

Karsten

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 01:17:20 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (T Biehn)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:17:20 -0500
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <200902260203.04854.remur@gmx.net>
References:  <200902260203.04854.remur@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <2d6724810902251717v2d44ea9p8c586ef877acb2db@mail.gmail.com>

--0016363b84ca283ff70463c81dfd
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Build/buy one
Put a Pico e-12 in it.
Retrofit an SDD.
Ridiculous RAM, set up linux to put libs on a ramdisk at startup
Enjoy.

-Travis

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Karsten K=F6nig  wrote:

> Am Mittwoch 25 Februar 2009 22:51:14 schrieb Axel Braun:
> > Gents,
> >
> > I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
> > - long battery runtime(!)
> > - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> > - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
> > - WLAN on board
>
> Check this for information
> http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/10-inch-netbook-faceoff.aspx
>
> You propably have no real choice to get a linux netbook with decent specs=
,
> the
> only proper one is the Lenovo Ideapad and the Dell Studio 9., otherwise i=
t
> is
> down to windows only =3D/ Choice in Europe seems even more limited =3D(
>
>
> Karsten
>
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

--0016363b84ca283ff70463c81dfd
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Build/buy one
Put a Pico e-12 in it.
Retrofit an SDD.
Ridiculous RAM, set up linux to put libs on a ramdisk at startup
Enjoy.

-Travis
=A0
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Karsten K=F6nig=
 <remur@gmx.net&g=
t; wrote:

Am Mittwoch 25 Februar 2009 22:5=
1:14 schrieb Axel Braun:

> Gents,
>
> I'm looking for a net=
book...something nice and stable with
> - long battery runtime(!)
=
> - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> - useab=
le Linux flavor *preinstalled*

> - WLAN on board

Check this for information
http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/10-inch-netbook-faceoff.as=
px

You propably have no real choice to get a linux netbook with decent spe=
cs, the
only proper one is the Lenovo Ideapad and the Dell Studio 9., ot=
herwise it is
down to windows only =3D/ Choice in Europe seems even more=
 limited =3D(

Karsten

--
The linux-thinkpad mailing list home pa=
ge is at:
http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman=
/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

--0016363b84ca283ff70463c81dfd--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 01:27:34 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:27:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <2d6724810902251717v2d44ea9p8c586ef877acb2db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

> > > I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
> > > - long battery runtime(!)
> > > - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> > > - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
> > > - WLAN on board

Ive been using the HP MiniNote for several months now. It comes with SuSe 
for $550 but I wiped the drive and installed full Ubuntu (you probably 
want to go with 8.10 if you decide to install Ubuntu).

I also have the Asus EEE but found the keyboard unreliable and the screen 
cramped. The HP has the best keyboard of all the netbooks.

-- 
Aj.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 08:30:04 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:30:04 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:51:14 +0100 Axel Braun wrote:

> Gents,
> 
> I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
> - long battery runtime(!)
> - SSD if possible, otherwise 'normal' harddisk
> - useable Linux flavor *preinstalled*
> - WLAN on board

Currently looking forward to the MSI X-Slim series, esp the X-320:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/01/msi_x320_ultra_thin_notebook_800.html

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 09:10:58 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Bastholm)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:10:58 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <491FEA7094074F56827A2F95865DE8E7@global.enterprise>
References: 
 <491FEA7094074F56827A2F95865DE8E7@global.enterprise>
Message-ID: 

--001636c5ab87f9382f0463cebaaf
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.emperorlinux.com/
--=20
V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

I would change the world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

--001636c5ab87f9382f0463cebaaf
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.emperorlinux.com/-- 
V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm
I would change the world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

--001636c5ab87f9382f0463cebaaf--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 10:58:44 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:58:44 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <491FEA7094074F56827A2F95865DE8E7@global.enterprise>
References:  <491FEA7094074F56827A2F95865DE8E7@global.enterprise>
Message-ID: <20090226105844.GA608@dose.home.local>

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:24:35 +1000, Gary Woodman wrote:
> I've just been through this, and it looks like there's no such thing (at
> least here in Australia). Thinkpads suggested are not netbooks :-)

AFAIK my X61s is is nearly as large as an Asus Eee 1000H, which is
clearly a netbook. The same should be true for all X series models up
to the X61. So you have a lot of options. :-)

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 11:03:43 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Ismael Olea)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:03:43 +0100
Subject: [ltp] OT: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <20090226105844.GA608@dose.home.local>
References: 
 <491FEA7094074F56827A2F95865DE8E7@global.enterprise>
 <20090226105844.GA608@dose.home.local>
Message-ID: <22a365930902260303k54bd8ef1m466c490f3eb67446@mail.gmail.com>

--0016e644d6ca4060940463d04e6e
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tino Keitel  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:24:35 +1000, Gary Woodman wrote:
> > I've just been through this, and it looks like there's no such thing (at
> > least here in Australia). Thinkpads suggested are not netbooks :-)
>
> AFAIK my X61s is is nearly as large as an Asus Eee 1000H, which is
> clearly a netbook. The same should be true for all X series models up
> to the X61. So you have a lot of options. :-)

In this sense, I'm very happy too with my X61s.

If I'd need something smaller I think I'd choose the Dell Mini 9 or the HTC
G1 Dream :-)

-- 

Ismael Olea

http://olea.org/diario/

--0016e644d6ca4060940463d04e6e
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tino K=
eitel <tino.ke=
itel@tikei.de> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:24:35 +1000, Gary Woodman wrote:

> I've just been through this, and it looks like there's no such=
 thing (at

> least here in Australia). Thinkpads suggested are not netbooks :-)

AFAIK my X61s is is nearly as large as an Asus Eee 1000H, which is

clearly a netbook. The same should be true for all X series models up

to the X61. So you have a lot of options. :-)

In this =
sense, I'm very happy too with my X61s.

If I'd need somethin=
g smaller I think I'd choose the Dell Mini 9 or the HTC G1 Dream :-)

-- 

Ismael Olea

http://olea.org/diario/

--0016e644d6ca4060940463d04e6e--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 05:47:39 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Volker_Kr=FCger?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:47:39 +0100
Subject: [ltp] broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others, too?
Message-ID: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>

Hi,

I have a Thinkpad X200s with this new LED-lid(!!) screen. Now, the
illumination of this screen is broken for the second time!!!
I got this laptop in the beginning of January. It ran for approx. 2-3
weeks until the screen died the first time. After repair (they replaced
the screen), it took again approx 2 Weeks until the screen died again.

In both cases, the machine was in suspended. After wake-up, the screen
was dead.

Has anyone observed something similar?
Can it be a software issue?

thanks for hints.

best,
Volker

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 07:41:49 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Bastholm)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:41:49 +0100
Subject: [ltp] broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others, too?
In-Reply-To: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

I have a vertical green stripe about 1px wide 1cm from the left side
of the screen on my R60e. Is that something that can be fixed or does
the screen need to be replaced ?

--=20
V=C3=A4nliga h=C3=A4lsningar / Kind regards,
Adrian Bastholm

I would change the world, but they won't give me the sourcecode

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 08:10:03 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:10:03 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others, too?
In-Reply-To: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

Volker Krüger schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Thinkpad X200s with this new LED-lid(!!) screen. Now, the
> illumination of this screen is broken for the second time!!!
> I got this laptop in the beginning of January. It ran for approx. 2-3
> weeks until the screen died the first time. After repair (they replaced
> the screen), it took again approx 2 Weeks until the screen died again.
> 
> In both cases, the machine was in suspended. After wake-up, the screen
> was dead.
> 
> Has anyone observed something similar?

Not me. I bought my X200s last November but I don't use suspend very 
often (four or five times since November).

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 08:54:54 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Volker_Kr=FCger?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:54:54 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others,
 too?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk>

HI Christoph,

thanks for the info :-)
if I remember correctly, you have the "classic" type of  LCD-display, right?

I suspect it has something to do with this new LED-based illumination of
the screen.
My monitor is OK, it's just that the illumination is broken...

in case of the "classic" screens, this would probably mean that the
inverter is broken.
My screen does not have an inverter.

best,
Volker

Christoph Bier wrote:
> Volker Krüger schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a Thinkpad X200s with this new LED-lid(!!) screen. Now, the
>> illumination of this screen is broken for the second time!!!
>> I got this laptop in the beginning of January. It ran for approx. 2-3
>> weeks until the screen died the first time. After repair (they replaced
>> the screen), it took again approx 2 Weeks until the screen died again.
>>
>> In both cases, the machine was in suspended. After wake-up, the screen
>> was dead.
>>
>> Has anyone observed something similar?
>
> Not me. I bought my X200s last November but I don't use suspend very
> often (four or five times since November).
>
> [...]
>
> Best
> Christoph

-- 
Volker Krüger
CVMI-CIT
Aalborg University
Lautrupvang 15
3750 Ballerup
Denmark
phone:++45-9940-2495
web:www.cvmi.aau.dk/~vok

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 09:06:57 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:06:57 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others,   too?
In-Reply-To: <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

Hi Volker,

Volker Krüger schrieb:
> HI Christoph,
> 
> thanks for the info :-)
> if I remember correctly, you have the "classic" type of  LCD-display, right?

No, I have the LED type---at least according to the dealer. ;-) Can I 
check it in some way?

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Feb 26 18:57:26 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (vk_dk)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:57:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ltp] ExpressCard slot in X61s?
In-Reply-To: <20080723115836.GA16022@dose.home.local>
References: <20080723115836.GA16022@dose.home.local>
Message-ID: <22231077.post@talk.nabble.com>

Tino Keitel-3 wrote:
> 
> I wonder if a X61s has a usable ExpressCard slot, and if it can be used
> for a graphics card. I found different sources that don't mention the
> ExpressCard slot at all (even IBM/Lenovo), but also other sources that
> state that the PCMCIA slot is a combined PCMCIA/ExpressCard/34 slot.
> ...........
> My X61s is a 7666-36G (or UK336GE).
> 
> Regards,
> Tino
> -- 
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
> 

Hi Tino, 
I've been pretty curious about the same issue with my 7666-34G model. It's
pretty amazing, that even the local IBM itself cannot determine which port
exactly their machine is supplied with!

I googled for x61s with express slot, and it looks like the newer types
actually have Express 54 card slot.
fx here: 
http://www.buy.com/prod/lenovo-laptop-computer-topseller-x61s-core-2-duo-l7500-1-6ghz-12-1/q/loc/101/204681855.html
ExpressCard 54mm slot - 766945U  and the review: 
http://www.buy.com/articles/loc/2/channeltype/2/channelid/127/subtype/1/2003800.html
X61s Review 
and another: 
http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review/4667-3/lenovo-thinkpad-x61s-review-full-review
http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review/4667-3/lenovo-thinkpad-x61s-review-full-review 

I can see, that my machine has a Ricoh RL5c476 PC Card slot. How would a PCI
Express bus identify itself ?

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/ExpressCard-slot-in-X61s--tp18609171p22231077.html
Sent from the Linux Thinkpad mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 09:33:56 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Volker_Kr=FCger?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:33:56 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others,
 too?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: <49A7B384.3030204@cvmi.aau.dk>

Hi Christoph,

yes, you should be able to find your system in the service manual:

http:/http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149/www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149

what model type do you have?
On page 171 in that above manual you can see the parts of your monitor.
Depending on whether yours has an inverter or not, you can determine
your monitor type.

Christoph Bier wrote:
> Hi Volker,
>
> Volker Krüger schrieb:
>> HI Christoph,
>>
>> thanks for the info :-)
>> if I remember correctly, you have the "classic" type of  LCD-display,
>> right?
>
> No, I have the LED type---at least according to the dealer. ;-) Can I
> check it in some way?
>
> [...]
>
> Best
> Christoph

-- 
Volker Krüger
CVMI-CIT
Aalborg University
Lautrupvang 15
3750 Ballerup
Denmark
phone:++45-9940-2495
web:www.cvmi.aau.dk/~vok

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 10:02:25 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:02:25 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others,     too?
In-Reply-To: <49A7B384.3030204@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7B384.3030204@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

Hi Volker,

Volker Krüger schrieb:
> Hi Christoph,
> 
> yes, you should be able to find your system in the service manual:
> 
> http:/http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149/www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149

Thanks! But the Lenovo homepage says: There is a problem retrieving the 
document 
MIGR-70149/WWW-307.IBM.COM/PC/SUPPORT/SITE.WSS/DOCUMENT.DO?LNDOCID=MIGR-70149.

> what model type do you have?

I don't know, I'll have to check it when I'm at home again.

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 15:39:31 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Axel Braun)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:39:31 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Summary: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
References: 
Message-ID: 

Axel Braun wrote:

> I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with

Thanks for all the answers! Let me briefly summarize:
- the question is not to be able to pay the M$-Tax, it is the 'don't want to
and the dont need it'!
- MSI X-320 looks promising, I will see if I can get a grab on it during
next week's CEBIT exhibition. MSI seems to offer XP only, though
- the article on laptopmag was helpful as well
- emperorlinux looks good as well, but shipping & tax to Europe will
probably make it too expensive
- Some mentioned ThinkPad X-series....they are all renamed (X200-X301), look
fancy and are probably very nice, but for a netbook quite large &
expensive. BTW, I did not see any Linux-offering for ThinkPads anymore in
their shop.....
- Dell Mini 9 seem to be really an alternative. I will take a closer look at
that one....

Thanks
Axel

-- 
Linux on a ThinkPad: www.axxite.com/brn

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 15:49:00 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Karsten =?iso-8859-1?q?K=F6nig?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:49:00 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Summary: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: 
References:  
Message-ID: <200902271649.00895.remur@gmx.net>

> - Dell Mini 9 seem to be really an alternative. I will take a closer look
> at that one....

This might help =)
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/dells-inspiron-mini-9-drops-to-a-
delicious-199/

Karsten

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 15:57:15 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:57:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ltp] Summary: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Axel Braun wrote:

> - Dell Mini 9 seem to be really an alternative. I will take a closer look at
> that one....

Probably not relevant, but the Dell Mini 9 it the one netbook that has all 
the hardware that OS X supports too :-)

And check out the new Dell Mini 10!

-- 
Aj.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 16:37:11 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:37:11 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others,     too?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7B384.3030204@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: 

Christoph Bier schrieb am 27.02.2009 11:02:

> Hi Volker,
> 
> Volker Krüger schrieb:
>> Hi Christoph,
>> 
>> yes, you should be able to find your system in the service manual:
>> 
>> http:/http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149/www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149

Did you mean page 176 of
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/43y6632_03.pdf?

> Thanks! But the Lenovo homepage says: There is a problem retrieving the 
> document 
> MIGR-70149/WWW-307.IBM.COM/PC/SUPPORT/SITE.WSS/DOCUMENT.DO?LNDOCID=MIGR-70149.
> 
>> what model type do you have?
> 
> I don't know, I'll have to check it when I'm at home again.

It's a 7466-3RG. And it seems like it really doesn't ship with LED!
But it was sold to me as an LED modell ... I just called my Lenovo
dealer to clarify it---I'm waiting for his call-back.

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 16:53:11 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Volker_Kr=FCger?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:53:11 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: broken screen on X200s: Does that happen to others,
 too?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A77E7B.6030604@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7AA5E.2030708@cvmi.aau.dk>  <49A7B384.3030204@cvmi.aau.dk>  
Message-ID: <49A81A77.2050308@cvmi.aau.dk>

Christoph Bier wrote:
> Christoph Bier schrieb am 27.02.2009 11:02:
>
>   
>> Hi Volker,
>>
>> Volker Krüger schrieb:
>>     
>>> Hi Christoph,
>>>
>>> yes, you should be able to find your system in the service manual:
>>>
>>> http:/http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149/www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-70149
>>>       
>
> Did you mean page 176 of
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/43y6632_03.pdf?
>
>   
>> Thanks! But the Lenovo homepage says: There is a problem retrieving the 
>> document 
>> MIGR-70149/WWW-307.IBM.COM/PC/SUPPORT/SITE.WSS/DOCUMENT.DO?LNDOCID=MIGR-70149.
>>
>>     
>>> what model type do you have?
>>>       
>> I don't know, I'll have to check it when I'm at home again.
>>     
>
> It's a 7466-3RG. And it seems like it really doesn't ship with LED!
> But it was sold to me as an LED modell ... I just called my Lenovo
> dealer to clarify it---I'm waiting for his call-back.
>
> Best
> Christoph
>   
HI Christoph,

yes, that is the right file.
And on page 176, there is the table with item 8 which states which
machines have an inverter card. Yes, your's is in that list, 19th bullet
from the top...

-- 
Volker Krüger
CVMI-CIT
Aalborg University
Lautrupvang 15
3750 Ballerup
Denmark
phone:++45-9940-2495
web:www.cvmi.aau.dk/~vok

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 16:54:11 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Wyrwa)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:54:11 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Microphone input on T61p
Message-ID: <1235753651.25474.3.camel@localhost>

--=-EqZCGjVj2svkXKdauZm7
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hei,

after having quite a bit of trouble getting my sound to work at all on
initial installation of Gentoo on my T61p, i still have big trouble with
the input.

So far i managed to get the input from the internal microphone fed back
to the speakers...but it seems applications don't really pick up the
microphone input.

When going through the mixer settings (gnome, alsamixer), i'm getting
horribly confused by the sheer amount of input devices...like "Mic",
"Internal Mix", "Capture 1", "Capture 2" and so on.

Did anyone get a clear view on this and is able to share that with me,
please?

Kernel is 2.6.27.

Thanks,
Andre.

--=-EqZCGjVj2svkXKdauZm7
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEABECAAYFAkmoGrMACgkQEOp8fsnyxsThOACgvFnEbjqnzPVsUc045UZDahn8
y0gAnjWJ41C1flndejXafjM4fG0N9Tdz
=JADq
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--=-EqZCGjVj2svkXKdauZm7--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 17:52:30 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:52:30 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Microphone input on T61p
In-Reply-To: <1235753651.25474.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1235753651.25474.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <49A8285E.8030904@hermes.cam.ac.uk>

André Wyrwa wrote:
> Hei,
> 
> after having quite a bit of trouble getting my sound to work at all on
> initial installation of Gentoo on my T61p, i still have big trouble with
> the input.
> 
> So far i managed to get the input from the internal microphone fed back
> to the speakers...but it seems applications don't really pick up the
> microphone input.

If it's anything like the A22p, the configuration is indeed stupid.
See: http://www.richardneill.org/a22p-mdk11-0.php#sound

or try running:

amixer sset 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' on	#Enable the Mic boost
amixer sset 'Mic' mute			#Mute the Mic
amixer sset 'Mic' cap			#Set the Recording source to Mic
amixer sset 'Capture' cap		#Set the Capture device to record
amixer sset 'ADC' cap			#Set the ADC to record

HTH,

Richard

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 23:58:35 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:58:35 -0300
Subject: [ltp] ExpressCard slot in X61s?
In-Reply-To: <22231077.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <20080723115836.GA16022@dose.home.local> <22231077.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20090227235835.GA27488@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, vk_dk wrote:
> I can see, that my machine has a Ricoh RL5c476 PC Card slot. How would a PCI
> Express bus identify itself ?

As a PCI express root port in lspci.  The only easy way to know if you have
one I know of is to phisically locate it, since there will be PCI root ports
in lspci no matter what, and they will all be hotplug :)

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 03:28:45 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:28:45 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
Message-ID: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com>

I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.

tnx

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 04:10:07 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Tso)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:10:07 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28:45PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.

I've always liked the Seagate Momentus 7200.x series.  At the moment
the Seagate Momentus 7200.4 has been released (although it seems to be
backordered everywhere I looked).  The Seagate Momenutus 7200.3 are
therefore quite cheap ATM, and have a max capacity of 320 GB.  (The
7200.4 have a max capacity of 500 GB).

The reason why I like the Seagate Momentus is that they have the
option of coming with a G force sensor.  This allows the disk to
protect itself automatically from shocks, without having to make the
OS wake up the CPU 30 times a second to check on the accelerometer ---
which does a real number of power utilization and hence battery life.

You need to make sure to get the version with the G force sensor.
These tend to be the models that have "ASG" as a substring of their
model number instead of just "AS".  Typically you pay an extra 5 bucks
for the feature, which is definitely worth it.

						- Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 10:56:19 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christoph Bier)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:56:19 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: slow wireless lan connection
In-Reply-To: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>
References: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>
Message-ID: 

Volker Krueger schrieb am 23.02.2009 14:58:

> Hi,
> 
> I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.
> the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs
> or with scp.

Nearly the same here.

> On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN

dmesg says I have a 5300AGN (not ABGN).

[...]

Best
Christoph
-- 
+++ Typografie-Regeln: http://zvisionwelt.de/downloads.html (1.6)

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 12:13:55 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Micha Feigin)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:13:55 +0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: slow wireless lan connection
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk>

Message-ID: <20090228141355.6475f3df@vivalunalitshi.luna.local>

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:56:19 +0100
Christoph Bier  wrote:

> Volker Krueger schrieb am 23.02.2009 14:58:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.
> > the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs
> > or with scp.
> 
> Nearly the same here.
> 
> > On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN
> 
> dmesg says I have a 5300AGN (not ABGN).

AFAIK all G hardware also supports b as they are downward compatible. Both use
the same frequency the difference is , b is 11Mb/s and  g is 55Mb/s. A and N
are different versions, although I think that N is still provisional so it is
working on a pre-standard protocol.

> 
> [...]
> 
> Best
> Christoph

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 12:45:05 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Wyrwa)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:45:05 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Microphone input on T61p
In-Reply-To: <49A8285E.8030904@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
References: <1235753651.25474.3.camel@localhost>
 <49A8285E.8030904@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1235825105.6113.5.camel@localhost>

--=-Q2idb6MACWX/FnE/KgCI
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hei,

On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 17:52 +0000, Richard Neill wrote:
> If it's anything like the A22p, the configuration is indeed stupid.
> See: http://www.richardneill.org/a22p-mdk11-0.php#sound
>=20
> or try running:
>=20
> amixer sset 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' on	#Enable the Mic boost
> amixer sset 'Mic' mute			#Mute the Mic
> amixer sset 'Mic' cap			#Set the Recording source to Mic
> amixer sset 'Capture' cap		#Set the Capture device to record
> amixer sset 'ADC' cap			#Set the ADC to record

Thanks.

Unfortunately, alsa exposes significantly different controls for
snd_hda_intel. But it's a good first step to know that the input
selection chaos is somewhat universal. ;-)

Andre.

--=-Q2idb6MACWX/FnE/KgCI
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEABECAAYFAkmpMdEACgkQEOp8fsnyxsRQtwCg1gKQ2fpdowSsNnk2TGxhmFAY
qhoAnjBxILcsTVSssSJqoYYVd+tzDiyv
=/4RW
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--=-Q2idb6MACWX/FnE/KgCI--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 12:53:32 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:53:32 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <49A933CC.5050009@rogers.com>

Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28:45PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
>   
>> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
>> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
>> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.
>>     
>
> I've always liked the Seagate Momentus 7200.x series.  At the moment
> the Seagate Momentus 7200.4 has been released (although it seems to be
> backordered everywhere I looked).  The Seagate Momenutus 7200.3 are
> therefore quite cheap ATM, and have a max capacity of 320 GB.  (The
> 7200.4 have a max capacity of 500 GB).
>
> The reason why I like the Seagate Momentus is that they have the
> option of coming with a G force sensor.  This allows the disk to
> protect itself automatically from shocks, without having to make the
> OS wake up the CPU 30 times a second to check on the accelerometer ---
> which does a real number of power utilization and hence battery life.
>
> You need to make sure to get the version with the G force sensor.
> These tend to be the models that have "ASG" as a substring of their
> model number instead of just "AS".  Typically you pay an extra 5 bucks
> for the feature, which is definitely worth it.
>
> 						- Ted
>   
Hmmm... I don't see that line at the local computer store. They have a
couple of Seagate 5400.3 drives, one 120 G and the other 160. Both are
5400. I assume the 7200 RPM drives are harder on the battery.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 13:05:15 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:05:15 -0300
Subject: [ltp] Re: slow wireless lan connection
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: <20090228130515.GA17541@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Christoph Bier wrote:
> > On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN
> dmesg says I have a 5300AGN (not ABGN).

It is b-capable.  All IWL cards are.  What you might want to find out is
whether you have little-baby 5300 or the one with all the 3x3 radio chain.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 13:10:23 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Daniel Castro)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:10:23 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <49A933CC.5050009@rogers.com>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>
 <49A933CC.5050009@rogers.com>
Message-ID: 

--00504502cd72e4e9f00463fa4e2b
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

2009/2/28 James Knott 

> Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28:45PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
> >
> >> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
> >> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
> >> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.
> >>
> >
> > I've always liked the Seagate Momentus 7200.x series.  At the moment
> > the Seagate Momentus 7200.4 has been released (although it seems to be
> > backordered everywhere I looked).  The Seagate Momenutus 7200.3 are
> > therefore quite cheap ATM, and have a max capacity of 320 GB.  (The
> > 7200.4 have a max capacity of 500 GB).
> >
> > The reason why I like the Seagate Momentus is that they have the
> > option of coming with a G force sensor.  This allows the disk to
> > protect itself automatically from shocks, without having to make the
> > OS wake up the CPU 30 times a second to check on the accelerometer ---
> > which does a real number of power utilization and hence battery life.
> >
> > You need to make sure to get the version with the G force sensor.
> > These tend to be the models that have "ASG" as a substring of their
> > model number instead of just "AS".  Typically you pay an extra 5 bucks
> > for the feature, which is definitely worth it.
> >
> >                                               - Ted
> >
> Hmmm... I don't see that line at the local computer store. They have a
> couple of Seagate 5400.3 drives, one 120 G and the other 160. Both are
> 5400. I assume the 7200 RPM drives are harder on the battery.

they may be, but speed improves performance significantly! slow hard drives
can be a serious bottle-neck some times...

>
>
>
>
> --
> Use OpenOffice.org 
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
>

-- 
________________________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie
________________________

--00504502cd72e4e9f00463fa4e2b
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2009/2/28 James Knott <=
james.knott@rogers.com>

Theodore Tso wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28:45PM -0500, James Knott wrote:

>

>> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31. =
=A0It

>> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now=
. =A0Any

>> brand recommendations? =A0I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB=
.

>>

>

> I've always liked the Seagate Momentus 7200.x series. =A0At the mo=
ment

> the Seagate Momentus 7200.4 has been released (although it seems to be=

> backordered everywhere I looked). =A0The Seagate Momenutus 7200.3 are<=
br>
> therefore quite cheap ATM, and have a max capacity of 320 GB. =A0(The<=
br>
> 7200.4 have a max capacity of 500 GB).

>

> The reason why I like the Seagate Momentus is that they have the

> option of coming with a G force sensor. =A0This allows the disk to

> protect itself automatically from shocks, without having to make the
> OS wake up the CPU 30 times a second to check on the accelerometer ---=

> which does a real number of power utilization and hence battery life.<=
br>
>

> You need to make sure to get the version with the G force sensor.

> These tend to be the models that have "ASG" as a substring o=
f their

> model number instead of just "AS". =A0Typically you pay an e=
xtra 5 bucks

> for the feature, which is definitely worth it.

>

> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - Ted

>

Hmmm... I don't see that line at the local computer store. =
They have a

couple of Seagate 5400.3 drives, one 120 G and the other 160. Both are

5400. I assume the 7200 RPM drives are harder on the battery.<=
div>they may be, but speed improves performance significantly! slow hard dr=
ives can be a serious bottle-neck some times...

--

Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org>

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list=
 home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

-- 
___________=
_____________

Daniel Castro, M.Sc.
+353 083-318-2058
dancasmo@gmail.com
castromd@tcd.ie

________________________

--00504502cd72e4e9f00463fa4e2b--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 18:18:09 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:18:09 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <49A97FE1.1040008@rogers.com>

Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28:45PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
>   
>> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
>> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
>> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.
>>     
>
> I've always liked the Seagate Momentus 7200.x series.  At the moment
> the Seagate Momentus 7200.4 has been released (although it seems to be
> backordered everywhere I looked).  The Seagate Momenutus 7200.3 are
> therefore quite cheap ATM, and have a max capacity of 320 GB.  (The
> 7200.4 have a max capacity of 500 GB).
>   

Are those SATA? I need IDE drives.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 18:06:47 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rei Shinozuka)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:06:47 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Summary: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: <200902271649.00895.remur@gmx.net>
References:   <200902271649.00895.remur@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090228180647.GB28158@panix.com>

i just took delivery of a mini9 with ubuntu.  i am very impressed.
i opted for the 8gb drive, it's about 20% full after i loaded a 
couple of packages like thunderbird and open ssh.

the hardware feels quite substantial and it's remarkably small: about
3/4 the size of my x31.  the trackpad has that little feature where
the left side acts like a scroll wheel (not documented but there).

the size and price are certainly right.

-rei

On Feb27 16:49, Karsten K?nig wrote:
> > - Dell Mini 9 seem to be really an alternative. I will take a closer look
> > at that one....
> 
> This might help =)
> http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/dells-inspiron-mini-9-drops-to-a-
> delicious-199/
> 
> Karsten
> -- 
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

-- 
Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
Ridgewood, New Jersey

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 18:29:57 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:29:57 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <20090228041007.GC28603@mit.edu>	 <49A933CC.5050009@rogers.com> 
Message-ID: <49A982A5.8030507@rogers.com>

Daniel Castro wrote:
>
> 2009/2/28 James Knott  >
>
>     Theodore Tso wrote:
>     > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:28:45PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
>     >
>     >> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
>     >> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now
>     .  Any
>     >> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB .
>     >>
>     >
>     > I've always liked the Seagate Momentus 7200.x series.  At the moment
>     > the Seagate Momentus 7200.4 has been released (although it seems
>     to be
>     > backordered everywhere I looked).  The Seagate Momenutus 7200.3 are
>     > therefore quite cheap ATM, and have a max capacity of 320 GB.  (The
>     > 7200.4 have a max capacity of 500 GB).
>     >
>     > The reason why I like the Seagate Momentus is that they have the
>     > option of coming with a G force sensor.  This allows the disk to
>     > protect itself automatically from shocks, without having to make the
>     > OS wake up the CPU 30 times a second to check on the
>     accelerometer ---
>     > which does a real number of power utilization and hence battery
>     life.
>     >
>     > You need to make sure to get the version with the G force sensor.
>     > These tend to be the models that have "ASG" as a substring of their
>     > model number instead of just "AS".  Typically you pay an extra 5
>     bucks
>     > for the feature, which is definitely worth it.
>     >
>     >                                               - Ted
>     >
>     Hmmm... I don't see that line at the local computer store. They have a
>     couple of Seagate 5400.3 drives, one 120 G and the other 160. Both are
>     5400. I assume the 7200 RPM drives are harder on the battery.
>
> they may be, but speed improves performance significantly! slow hard
> drives can be a serious bottle-neck some times...

Are there any 7200 RPM 2.5" IDE drives?  All the IDE drives I've found
so far are 5400.  The 7200s all appear to be SATA.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 19:39:37 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:39:37 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo>

--=-LVLJxYjT/FkWX8NhZIAY
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On ven, 2009-02-27 at 22:28 -0500, James Knott wrote:
> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.

Isn't there some kind of whitelist of accepted disks in thinkpad's bios?

--=20
Yves-Alexis

--=-LVLJxYjT/FkWX8NhZIAY
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEABECAAYFAkmpkvkACgkQTUTAIMXAW67HDgCdFyRe1sDTLhg7n3EylE4848Vn
Wb8An0KXsKTRx4aYFd63q/Y+4b7hGrU3
=6zCV
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--=-LVLJxYjT/FkWX8NhZIAY--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 19:37:36 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Walker)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:37:36 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Summary: Netbook. Looking for THE machine
In-Reply-To: 
References:  
Message-ID: <1e89d6a40902281137i5c22fe5du4cc258271e0e5cf6@mail.gmail.com>

--00032557467ab905050463ffb768
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Axel --

I have had a Thnkpad X60s for a couple of years now, running Linux Red Hat
Fedora 6.  Most satisfactory with Linux.  About 8 hours with the battery
that clips on the back.

It came with Vista installed.  Agonisingly slow, and the disk churns all the
time.  Startup/shutdown time 15 minutes on a good day.  If Windows is
updating, it's best to go for a very long walk.  Windows comes set to shut
down your machine any time it pleases to do an update.  Great for
presentations (Not!).

Install of Fedora was straightforward, and it's the fastest Linux machine we
own.  No disk churn.  External hardware is plug and play.

HTH,  -- Adrian

Internet Business Logic
A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English over SQL and
RDF
Online at www.reengineeringllc.com    Shared use is free

Adrian Walker
Reengineering

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Axel Braun  wrote:

> Axel Braun wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with
>
> Thanks for all the answers! Let me briefly summarize:
> - the question is not to be able to pay the M$-Tax, it is the 'don't want
> to
> and the dont need it'!
> - MSI X-320 looks promising, I will see if I can get a grab on it during
> next week's CEBIT exhibition. MSI seems to offer XP only, though
> - the article on laptopmag was helpful as well
> - emperorlinux looks good as well, but shipping & tax to Europe will
> probably make it too expensive
> - Some mentioned ThinkPad X-series....they are all renamed (X200-X301),
> look
> fancy and are probably very nice, but for a netbook quite large &
> expensive. BTW, I did not see any Linux-offering for ThinkPads anymore in
> their shop.....
> - Dell Mini 9 seem to be really an alternative. I will take a closer look
> at
> that one....
>
> Thanks
> Axel
>
> --
> Linux on a ThinkPad: www.axxite.com/brn
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>

--00032557467ab905050463ffb768
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Axel --

I have had a Thnkpad X60s for a couple of years now, runn=
ing Linux Red Hat Fedora 6.=A0 Most satisfactory with Linux.=A0 About 8 hou=
rs with the battery that clips on the back.

It came with Vista insta=
lled.=A0 Agonisingly slow, and the disk churns all the time.=A0 Startup/shu=
tdown time 15 minutes on a good day.=A0 If Windows is updating, it's be=
st to go for a very long walk.=A0 Windows comes set to shut down your machi=
ne any time it pleases to do an update.=A0 Great for presentations (Not!).<=
br>

Install of Fedora was straightforward, and it's the fastest Linux m=
achine we own.=A0 No disk churn.=A0 External hardware is plug and play.
=

HTH,=A0 -- Adrian

Internet Business Logic
A Wiki and SOA Endp=
oint for Executable Open Vocabulary English over SQL and RDF

Online at www.reengineeringllc.=
com=A0=A0=A0 Shared use is free

Adrian Walker
Reengineering

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:39 AM, =
Axel Braun <axel.=
braun@gmx.de> wrote:

Axel Braun wrote:=

> I'm looking for a netbook...something nice and stable with

Thanks for all the answers! Let me briefly summarize:

- the question is not to be able to pay the M$-Tax, it is the 'don'=
t want to

and the dont need it'!

- MSI X-320 looks promising, I will see if I can get a grab on it during
next week's CEBIT exhibition. MSI seems to offer XP only, though

- the article on laptopmag was helpful as well

- emperorlinux looks good as well, but shipping & tax to Europe will
probably make it too expensive

- Some mentioned ThinkPad X-series....they are all renamed (X200-X301), loo=
k

fancy and are probably very nice, but for a netbook quite large &

expensive. BTW, I did not see any Linux-offering for ThinkPads anymore in
their shop.....

- Dell Mini 9 seem to be really an alternative. I will take a closer look a=
t

that one....

Thanks

Axel

--

Linux on a ThinkPad: www.axxite.com/brn

--

The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin=
ux-thinkpad

--00032557467ab905050463ffb768--

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 21:39:20 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Chris Schumann)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:39:20 -0600
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <49A9AF08.6060601@idlelion.net>

Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On ven, 2009-02-27 at 22:28 -0500, James Knott wrote:
>> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
>> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
>> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.
> 
> Isn't there some kind of whitelist of accepted disks in thinkpad's bios?
> 

It depends on the machine. The one that does that I know of is the T43.

Chris

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 23:26:02 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:26:02 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo>
Message-ID: <49A9C80A.1060005@rogers.com>

Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On ven, 2009-02-27 at 22:28 -0500, James Knott wrote:
>   
>> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
>> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
>> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.
>>     
>
> Isn't there some kind of whitelist of accepted disks in thinkpad's bios?
>
>   
Not that I've heard of.  That sort of thing could leave you unable to
replace the hard drive at some time in the future.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 23:26:54 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:26:54 -0500
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <49A9AF08.6060601@idlelion.net>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com> <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo> <49A9AF08.6060601@idlelion.net>
Message-ID: <49A9C83E.6000404@rogers.com>

Chris Schumann wrote:
> Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
>> On ven, 2009-02-27 at 22:28 -0500, James Knott wrote:
>>> I'm considering upgrading the hard drive in my ThinkPad R31.  It
>>> currently has a 40 GB drive, which I'm finding a bit tight now.  Any
>>> brand recommendations?  I see sizes range from about 80 - 320 GB.
>>
>> Isn't there some kind of whitelist of accepted disks in thinkpad's bios?
>>
>
> It depends on the machine. The one that does that I know of is the T43.
>
> Chris
Mine's an R31, which was built 7 years ago.

-- 
Use OpenOffice.org 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 23:41:30 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (John Jason Jordan)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:41:30 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Upgrade hard drive
In-Reply-To: <49A9C80A.1060005@rogers.com>
References: <49A8AF6D.1030908@rogers.com>
 <1235849977.22221.0.camel@hidalgo>
 <49A9C80A.1060005@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20090228154130.fca51bcf.johnxj@comcast.net>

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:26:02 -0500
James Knott  dijo:

> > Isn't there some kind of whitelist of accepted disks in thinkpad's bios?

> Not that I've heard of.  That sort of thing could leave you unable to
> replace the hard drive at some time in the future.

The purpose is to force you to buy your replacement hard drive from
Lenovo. Or so I was told by the dealer when I bought my T61 a couple of
years ago.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Feb 27 17:28:59 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Nikolay Panov)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:28:59 +0300
Subject: [ltp] Microphone input on T61p
In-Reply-To: <1235753651.25474.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1235753651.25474.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

I have set-up "Input source" as "Internal mic" and raise "Capture"
level to 100. Also I have "internal mic boost" =3D 33 and "internal mic"
=3D 100. So it works, I have called by skype successfully (but with
horrible sound quality so I going to buy dedicated skype headphone+mic
kit).

Have a nice day,
   Nikolay.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 19:54, Andr=C3=A9 Wyrwa  wrote:
> Hei,
>
> after having quite a bit of trouble getting my sound to work at all on
> initial installation of Gentoo on my T61p, i still have big trouble with
> the input.
>
> So far i managed to get the input from the internal microphone fed back
> to the speakers...but it seems applications don't really pick up the
> microphone input.
>
> When going through the mixer settings (gnome, alsamixer), i'm getting
> horribly confused by the sheer amount of input devices...like "Mic",
> "Internal Mix", "Capture 1", "Capture 2" and so on.
>
> Did anyone get a clear view on this and is able to share that with me,
> please?
>
> Kernel is 2.6.27.
>
> Thanks,
> Andre.
>
>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Feb 28 15:03:39 2009
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tim Prince)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:03:39 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: slow wireless lan connection
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49A2AB7F.3050709@cvmi.aau.dk> 
Message-ID: <49A9524B.6090508@sbcglobal.net>

Christoph Bier wrote:
> Volker Krueger schrieb am 23.02.2009 14:58:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am curious about your experience with wireless lan in terms of speed.
>> the throughput on my local network is 1.1MB/s, as tested with dd on nfs
>> or with scp.
> 
> Nearly the same here.
> 
>> On my laptop, I have an IWL5300ABGN
> 
> dmesg says I have a 5300AGN (not ABGN).
> 

The same, but with no B driver support?