[ltp] Re: Bug#565789: say what the current Thinkpad BIOS/Firmware should be

Yves-Alexis Perez linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:29:14 +0100

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On mer., 2010-01-20 at 14:16 +0800, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:
> >>>>> "H" =3D=3D Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> writes:
> H> The version the driver thinks you should use is the latest that was
> H> available when I wasted a few hours tracking them all.
> Yes, but in addition to giving the message
> "Your version 1234 is out of date".
> You need to say "we believe the current version is 1236".

That's not the point. He *doesnt* care about the version you need to
run. He wants you to run the *latest*. Now he can't check for that, so
he just updates the version when he has time.

> And you need to say "this is based on information from
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/BIOS_Upgrade ".
> Or else each user
> 1. Will spend even more hours than the ones you mentioned, trying to
> track
> down what you are warning him about. He will end up all over the
> www-30xx.ibm.com site in a mess.

That's no exactly Henrique's fault. And, while the website is not
exactly the easiest I know, I definitely have no problem to find a new

> 2. He will be unable to write down on paper "don't worry about 1236.
> It's
> only some BIOS password enhancements, and since I don't use password
> on
> the BIOS, I can ignore that (and not risk flashing into a
> paperweight.) -- as he can't tell if you are warning him about 1236 or
> 1237 or what. The only other option would be downloading the whole
> Debian Linux
> source just to find the one line you are checking against.

Do you _really_ think every change in the bios/ec appear in the
changelog? I don't. I think there are quite some changes in every
published BIOS, and that you definitely should run them.

> 3. Perhaps consider allowing the user to put the BIOS etc. numbers he
> is
> happy with in some file that could be checked, so he could say "don't
> warn me about anything up thru 1238 (even though he really has only
> 1236
> installed.)

Except Henrique doesn't care about what the user /think/ is fine,
because in the end, it's /not/ fine. The only valid version is the

I found Henrique clear enough on that on the first mail, but maybe you
didn't. Was I myself clear enough?


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