From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Tue Nov 1 18:21:31 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:21:31 +0200 Subject: [ltp] T60 or T61? In-Reply-To: <201110311150.13874.gayleard@eircom.net> References: <201110311150.13874.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: <20111101182131.GA12162@platonas> --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:50:13AM +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I have a Thinkpad T60 (with large screen) which I am very happy with. > I am thinking of getting another (second-hand) T60 or T61, > and am wondering which is better for the Linux user? It probably depends on the exact specs. I've a T61 with Intel everything (graphics, wifi). The screen is only 1280x800, which might me a downside if you like larger screens. I've had it for slightly over four years now, and it has worked flawlessly under various versions of Ubuntu (7.10 through 11.10), with only minor hiccoughs. I had to replace the fan (started whirring loudly, couldn't stand the noise) and the AC adapter (too much flexing is not good for the cable end, although a coworker who knows how to use a soldiering iron fixed it for me, so now I have two). I also got an (expensive) Intel SSD, which was the best upgrade ever, in terms of making the computer feel fast. Marius Gedminas --=20 I assume by "b59757e468227127b91fff17b523da4deec8b04d" you meant 66fb253082ea42179180303393e48846208987fa. -- Aaron Plattner uses git --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6wOKcACgkQkVdEXeem14+/rgCfU53iXVj5CMGAtJj1ZtdNHC1D QrcAoIg8z6VTh/8MNsKbEU1Kds6e3hM7 =AMwK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Tue Nov 1 21:05:09 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Adrian Walker) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [ltp] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <958677964.3210876.1320181509331.JavaMail.app@ela4-bed82.prod> ------=_Part_3210875_155813088.1320181509330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Adrian Adrian Walker CTO at Reengineering LLC Hartford, Connecticut Area Confirm that you know Adrian Walker: https://www.linkedin.com/e/-rlugay-guhdzg0g-3l/isd/4767398242/10hDHGRo/?hs=false&tok=22XOy51gRhLkY1 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/-rlugay-guhdzg0g-3l/uzzeb8Xu4qc93I-0cTdaC8qrk4-rIU-Z7GXatrkX_6cuRKYSyx/goo/linux-thinkpad%40linux-thinkpad%2Eorg/20061/I1657526852_1/?hs=false&tok=3KWXCOEHxhLkY1 (c) 2011 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. ------=_Part_3210875_155813088.1320181509330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
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Sarang From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 2 21:32:28 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Martin Steigerwald) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:32:28 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <1319743080.25023.2.camel@scapa> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <2718115.bkQfNsKEx1@shamrokkiii> <1319743080.25023.2.camel@scapa> (sfid-20111027_222404_891618_16D18C73) Message-ID: <201111022232.29099.Martin@lichtvoll.de> Am Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2011 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez: > On jeu., 2011-10-27 at 20:13 +0200, Michael Unterkalmsteiner wrote: > > http://www.ebay.de/sch/itsco/m.html?_nkw=t61&_sacat=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1& > > _odkw=&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m270.l1313 > > > > Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with that shop, just bought a used T60 > > from them > > and happy 'til now. > > Unfortunately they seem to only have widescreen t61s. Luxnote where I bought some power supplies and other little stuff from, seem to carry at least two T61 with 14,1 inch display, at least the following one is Intel gfx http://www.luxnote-hannover.de/notebook-laptop-lenovo-thinkpad-notebooks- p-451.html and has a 1440x900 display and 2 GHz CPU ;). There might be other suitable models... Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 3 17:23:19 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:23:19 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <201111022232.29099.Martin@lichtvoll.de> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <2718115.bkQfNsKEx1@shamrokkiii> <1319743080.25023.2.camel@scapa> (sfid-20111027_222404_891618_16D18C73) <201111022232.29099.Martin@lichtvoll.de> Message-ID: <1320340999.4869.16.camel@scapa> --=-xumh1xSRpQSbb596iv0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On mer., 2011-11-02 at 22:32 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > http://www.luxnote-hannover.de/notebook-laptop-lenovo-thinkpad-notebooks- > p-451.html >=20 > and has a 1440x900 display and 2 GHz CPU ;). >=20 > There might be other suitable models...=20 1440=C3=97900 is widescreen. --=20 Yves-Alexis --=-xumh1xSRpQSbb596iv0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABCAAGBQJOss4HAAoJEDBVD3hx7wuob+sP/jl5RvvnBJws0JfnGNVwitwH VNTAGcO4hQ5PPDWk2yBnZ3FMqlkJsdk/4dZhCW36kfUmTEAg7skXwNfxV4v/Mzuy Wp090YF5PcQQe+PxKSZf3d58bNX4TRK3rurekXQ5ujyrR96wj8ur7ESeI1RhSJR9 5g96ZG+9vHe8Gw4EL+OVAMdw4rGysRWf9zNxoex6Cowlb4Z2jlJphaRoCaIlgQp+ ZZFabghQ2dEIG2Hv7eMXikRvkkGsZU70fUOHzkU30epIUwhfj9zMKA+bHlNah39M 0achr5N1hHhgEVxz/ewKhDyDCbkTAcS4Q1nuhDQ6yquzWwbZxd0ftsTAQ2p+qfDi 4O5tsLVWbAqZYxFBL574WbxCkgn02TqhrGjfQO0MbFnfN9uoZCiSy7mmKpafy8UU k6L50Sgb9JW353j6Ncc9GaAQA2QcvG4oMtKjdhiRvvNPlHLr4VK18WIxz6sB+gPL l1aKuOWJJDgm8KeCROxhjyJwCuoAYYumTdQAvf4rQT2QBr0O4Xek2KqM6ptIJuVF TE4GOZAy49GLeGoiNH5jl5wUnyXiBJFE+bLnU9uv7N1l98vFTqI8phvthOShSbXR 0/byC0X3WejL86eu0tWkcauxvfHWtvdVdVe3K3hSAB7EMdEUZYYz3VGCMeVa9R7O vzImmL98g7LPD8PbcyuP =sCHo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-xumh1xSRpQSbb596iv0e-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Fri Nov 4 14:56:22 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:56:22 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? Message-ID: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> Folks, I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubuntu release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd hardware problems. Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners. However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, because I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above tend to take a few months to get sorted out... -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 11:11:58 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Elimar Riesebieter) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:11:58 +0100 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <20111105111158.GB3045@samweis.home.lxtec.de> --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Steven J. Owens [111104 14:56 +0000]: [...] > However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent > release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the > window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? Aren't the ISO's able to boot live? > I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, because > I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above > tend to take a few months to get sorted out... This sounds a biit paranoia...... Elimar --=20 Excellent day for drinking heavily. Spike the office water cooler;-) --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJOtRn9AAoJED2rN0233PG734AP/Rk3GRpiuRqWTe6faD/b1135 Q4ot+Yj++Zpjnu1/Q3CjJivIoZzV1wE8JQC19Unpj+BXeGLpIKqRIELiWp/+Rnw8 39H2qN0ckzTimWdDbbLwKCzpJLEM5xDLIpddjPLZGGb9xq4TlPtov9+qAzgZP3Xa 4hGhKaM+AwBbZZdys+yJGG/DKhD8SOfbSP661r9vZxvGhQQ3ZQrzVcEc9xEq8zV+ D/4m0zCdUue/RYRGRAxUzxz6n7jfVoqXVq5vqiKXsJBqw/koKnCCR6O7+2Yi240P kRzJm3nsDkw2C6AwwcVkjh1VSNW/vIfP1itiQmcZiBHhJMhPNkjdxDZShUkPYi6M F41R0K3AyICzhXxY5UE4P2pBlO6kaavfdw8FScKm1gKRuAOO9nmg0gOiashNz3mz x7BBnD9hpDS/lAGnKMkNzp+RRe+EBhGP/inVHT2wsVDCFihus2zHVfaG9TB44ol3 xbcknlTCvYwLlj/k6W6Xc5xyPXT5UYDYQuLjTZUQwC6l1FCmXIU4sBHOiKLg+YKm hCYMNhsXw1ji06/P8F7HQH6SfvAljTqHZj10poODygne7GK76537wIuQZdRR3R3R U6bmh6hQSLluC22INgkXMKOvzlB6suLY5KIac4Fd4TdfzA/JwlJMmov6msYKX8wN lg8FUaAtc/683dr6p6gg =Ew16 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 11:26:55 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Martin Steigerwald) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:26:55 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <1320340999.4869.16.camel@scapa> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <201111022232.29099.Martin@lichtvoll.de> <1320340999.4869.16.camel@scapa> (sfid-20111103_185417_506846_1DDDF5A2) Message-ID: <201111051226.55481.Martin@lichtvoll.de> Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2011 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez: > On mer., 2011-11-02 at 22:32 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > http://www.luxnote-hannover.de/notebook-laptop-lenovo-thinkpad-notebo > > oks- p-451.html > >=20 > > and has a 1440x900 display and 2 GHz CPU ;). > >=20 > > There might be other suitable models... >=20 > 1440=D7900 is widescreen. Hmmm, okay, maybe there are other suitable models there. =2D-=20 Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 21:36:02 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:36:02 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> Message-ID: <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> --=-iuTJK6w8l96s6gwPhxlQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On mar., 2011-10-25 at 17:12 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > Hey, >=20 > I have a T61 (8897-CTO, the 14.1" 4:3 version) which doesn't boot > anymore. When I press the power button, nothing happens. Removing > battery and AC, replugging AC, I can see the battery and ac leds > flash, > then only AC stays lit, but nothing happens when pressing the power > button. >=20 > Reading a bit on the net, the list, various forums etc., it looks that > it might be a dead fuse on the motherboard, or something else. I've > tried to dismantle the laptop and check the fuse, but I didn't really > see anything (though it seems there's a =E2=80=9Cburn smell=E2=80=9D whic= h doesn't > look > good). I don't know how this happens (as it's not my laptop), except > that it was after a trip in Death Valley, while stored in the trunk > suspended (so temperature may have been high). >=20 > Basically it seems the only solution might be to change the system > board, but it seems pretty rare as it's the 42w7872, not the 42w7648 > which is a bit older and can only support Penryn cpus while the other > can support Penrym and Merom. The CPU on this box is T7500 which is > Penryn, so it should be ok to use 42w7648 in last measure (is it > true?) >=20 > Anyway, if someone has a 42w7872 to sell, I might be interested > depending on price and shipment.=20 In the end, I went the 42w7648 and the switch worked perfectly. Another difference is that this one only has 1 pc-card slot while 7872 has two, but since they were not used at all, it doesn't matter. Thanks everyone for your help :) Regards, --=20 Yves-Alexis --=-iuTJK6w8l96s6gwPhxlQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABCAAGBQJOtaxCAAoJEDBVD3hx7wuoDwkP/ioNYcIoFfACGinhEFeWHH5s bQiPynRoQPpeIbtn+D7T2iwatnqn4vP6m8pVBEQOh/H0LOTpNDP0aNZEADAbzWlz +AGy6sLSkVa1i1lZG7krg7lIW85DTUGRXCHlUp7ofqbvS2XRqolFCsJnDXddnbQf 4ZchhUdXQRL312PMXGp8g4SMYGox0lfzgjKf/rRYp/yl7vrWodZicicDiow//HR8 Zu0QLKGPN9WNm+UQs3aa4ountGIjzZDTvMUqMkVEIqdgkkQcNY7rB9eyEfMt3CZ4 EGh19gQONceLvhgnlrNV9uA5IXmq3sHC43WHnzuScibuooSbHYKjuoCeJNh5FZAX adWKiveUB8UZvcF8YcD2KP8WLUyEqiMNfMP9+krqiUcGAuhXyxzLLoC7IA/C9Hp2 zCL37e8OEvK3KhWiw99uHf7QtplzAEnrxDc1dMIeHGUmZezgWTCyfss3KdnKJI/L haKJ5UVAeLxX7zRm5HZjez9iH6JA/WDSMEauTO6nJH5gzl5Mlbq8XJgK2LT6eEXf maOfgQkHKXlA+tIfPKrX9ccTGH3aH89vsiFJiSOoTq3rvkqTDapjsD0xfjf6wtKn GgdtDpB7/sVPGTHu8rZa9CE84YSjtyV+u2ij9dBTTMVIfqhb76D4ployzMnhgxzP c8IOEykkZ5RdRJRO9K7T =sUn3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-iuTJK6w8l96s6gwPhxlQ-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 21:57:28 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Paul Seelig) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:57:28 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> Message-ID: <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> The PC-Card slot assembly is a separate item which is not bound to the mainboard FRU. Obviously you got the variety consisting of one PC-Card slot and a Smartcard-Reader instead of an Express-Card slot. In any case, this assembly can be replaced, but this requires full disassembly of the machine's mainboard. If you don't need it, just don't bother. ;) On 11/05/2011 10:36 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > In the end, I went the 42w7648 and the switch worked perfectly. Another > difference is that this one only has 1 pc-card slot while 7872 has two, > but since they were not used at all, it doesn't matter. > From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 22:02:46 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:02:46 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> Message-ID: <1320530566.4869.33.camel@scapa> --=-EiRVRSjXLsBO+odxbt81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On sam., 2011-11-05 at 22:57 +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: > The PC-Card slot assembly is a separate item which is not bound to the= =20 > mainboard FRU. Obviously you got the variety consisting of one PC-Card= =20 > slot and a Smartcard-Reader instead of an Express-Card slot. Maybe, but it was definitely attached to both system boards :) And as far as I can tell, on both T61 I have with 7872 boards, it was 2=C3=97pc-ca= rd (or maybe expresscard), no smartcard reader. >=20 > In any case, this assembly can be replaced, but this requires full=20 > disassembly of the machine's mainboard. If you don't need it, just don't= =20 > bother. ;)=20 yeah, I don't really :) --=20 Yves-Alexis --=-EiRVRSjXLsBO+odxbt81 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABCAAGBQJOtbKGAAoJEDBVD3hx7wuoW70P/jf2Ia8zJCHFo2vq3S1afjHP NZu5xJjFiqByxV16m2FG6HUqSdEZRccyKpKWnZaEMAwWH03PNkA3EzwQ736A69vF LIeIoK+RjPECa+3szu8FVUJ/Ay2K2XpCBgRkbXPshIlM4jpJcAE/pZgYNGzQHMPq y7QkhjUwMK2izkaeqkCBGxwRMmvMEtsnMcEpRs1R0XDCyVeqbjTzZGSKsQNdWTio vrvbQgiVf81O36nF0xaWbZfLn0iLxPs6cuR9kmq2SeGSqxOdyOSCEQNbJH+UMbT+ tnZ78a8fDiqL6+agysz/dVCXBGAGJDWOPy6By2Su+7pPKjH/PiiqB/2OxRrfklmm ucHMx914Bnfm1ejqno1L/1PyBAyqQekNitAYdpZwP48sP/S7UNtVnDvPycfdLoY8 cYK/6bkgCVwqwAplPYVLkhzJ+XR9rPMP5Z3ZWipH+UypIWM2Za/qtvCq14fsn29w e2dgzFLyZrCAiQtscOvtTyKeeoRiSY4WFOjZCPM/w+6F8UqbeEh0SycKZPyTasaY FpGWYhea9DOA6HXD+75MdszIlmV9jk82qq1iAuT3bXyBcNRIIPzOc1OohX50SItH OsbnpWNKGaRPTkjhWgYKI1n4As/wJ8M/IHIeOOL4NnZccoHqn9/S8F+GtYNebCCP z19Kt4JnLw8z+GvXtjNK =Wbys -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-EiRVRSjXLsBO+odxbt81-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 22:15:31 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Paul Seelig) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:15:31 +0100 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <1320530566.4869.33.camel@scapa> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> <1320530566.4869.33.camel@scapa> Message-ID: <4EB5B583.5070901@rumbero.es> On 11/05/2011 11:02 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > Maybe, but it was definitely attached to both system boards :) And as > far as I can tell, on both T61 I have with 7872 boards, it was 2×pc-card > (or maybe expresscard), no smartcard reader. > Yes, this depends on the particular T61 TYPE. My T61 8895-WFJ has a PC-Card and an ExpressCard slot. My former wide screen T61 6463-WNW had a Smartcard reader in combination with a PC-Card slot. I am not aware of the existence of any slot cage featuring two PC-Card slots. There is no such part mentioned on the http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/product-and-parts/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-68208#18 Lenovo T61 System service parts list. Anyway, one just gotta love the modular approach of construction of Thinkpads and thus their inherent ability to be recombined. ;) Have fund with your resurrected machine! From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 22:53:37 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Jeffrey L. Taylor) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:53:37 -0500 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Quoting Steven J. Owens : > Folks, > > I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM > Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. > > I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubuntu > release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd > hardware problems. Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, > but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually > find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners. > > However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent > release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the > window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? > > I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, because > I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above > tend to take a few months to get sorted out... > The advice I heard from others is do not upgrade to 11.10, do a clean install. Ubuntu moved a bunch of system directories around. You can work around this problem by creating symlinks from the old location to the new one. Also, try a live CD first. A lot of users, especially advanced users detest the Unity desktop. During the installation, it tells which package to install to switch to the Gnome desktop. I did a clean install of 11.10 on my wife's Dell XPS M1330N (which came with Hardy Heron pre-installed). She wants the newer Flash and other updates, but doesn't want anything to change. Unity lasted 1 1/2 days. She hated the color scheme (ORANGE in your face), the UI, that it was different, etc. I'm working on making it as close to Hardy Heron as feasible. It went fairly smoothly, except I tried to do the installation with immediate updates over WiFi and ended up with an unusable system. Do the updates while connected to a wired connection. Hopefully someone else can fill in the Thinkpad specifics. HTH, Jeffrey From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 23:52:34 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rubin Abdi) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:52:34 -0700 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Message-ID: <4EB5CC42.2000009@starset.net> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7983FD353E035204F4430689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote, On 2011-11-05 15:53: > The advice I heard from others is do not upgrade to 11.10, do a clean i= nstall. Rant: I don't understand how this is an acceptable thing in the Linux world now. I know friends who have config files sitting in /etc from well before I learned that there was more out there than Windows. One of the reasons I switched back to Linux on the desktop from OSX is the specific feature of not needing to blow my entire setup away in the pursuit of upgrades and updates for new shiny things. As much as it sucks being that weirdo within my *nix circle of friends not running Ubuntu, as least I don't have to act like I'm doing a Windows upgrade every 6 months and figure out if all the hassle will be worth it for device compatibility and what not. My $0.02. --=20 Rubin rubin@starset.net --------------enig7983FD353E035204F4430689 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOtcxCAAoJENiO8GEa75D0R1gIAKZ1p9nE5wEZe2g26xg7f8tI 9B/9aXwkw7bbu2ydM4oElIUFQDc3I8s/s4kcIHvHfr5JzHRFUXpcLIeudSzd/kuO coFsg7k54nzhJGT1p9sHmr99JiDQ14LJx9Nb5Xf6YthIxdyDFma8/omn+tXgNM66 dx1hgEO41T2D1W5UPx1j20SvMRbjDEiVYKHRQdbUU0bs57xbzD5mwx/xXtJ4pKN0 vWL0w3A4sfHGnhbb/x/YprERhe4E7Ksoq/1YrCe0xbin/9tWM4MHHz6nnctUVaP5 YWz3LnnW2w+/1qftt6rQZsstjYKHvrPozXKdiI9sf7ceXQzJFIZw/psLkM0H/yo= =7VDA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7983FD353E035204F4430689-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 23:37:43 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Helen Borrie) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:37:43 +1300 Subject: [ltp] T61 system board (42w7872) In-Reply-To: <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> Message-ID: <20111105233742.SRSP18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@dev1.mail.iinet.net.au> At 10:36 AM 6/11/2011, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: >In the end, I went the 42w7648 and the switch worked perfectly. Another >difference is that this one only has 1 pc-card slot while 7872 has two, >but since they were not used at all, it doesn't matter. Amazing, I've had my T60 for three years and, since Day 1, I've used a PC card slot for attaching an external SATA drive. I never noticed before that it has 2 slots! Mind you, the two slots are so close together that it looks as though it would be awkward (or worse) trying to deal with the bits that protrude from some cards. Helen From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Nov 7 07:44:15 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Florian Reitmeir) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:44:15 +0100 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <4EB5CC42.2000009@starset.net> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> <4EB5CC42.2000009@starset.net> Message-ID: <4EB78C4F.40607@reitmeir.org> On 11/06/2011 12:52 AM, Rubin Abdi wrote: > Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote, On 2011-11-05 15:53: >> The advice I heard from others is do not upgrade to 11.10, do a clean install. > Rant: > > least I don't have to act like I'm doing a Windows upgrade every 6 > months and figure out if all the hassle will be worth it for device > compatibility and what not. then, don't use ubuntu, use ubuntu LTS, debian, .. there are options which do support upgrades and have an longer release cycle and do not use normal users for beta testing. -- Florian Reitmeir E-Mail: florian@reitmeir.org Tel: +43 650 2661660 From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Nov 7 13:56:21 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:56:21 +0200 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Message-ID: <20111107135621.GA22413@platonas> --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 05:53:37PM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > Quoting Steven J. Owens : > > I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM > > Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. > >=20 > > I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubuntu > > release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd > > hardware problems. Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, > > but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually > > find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners. For the record, I've been running all versions of Ubuntu since 7.10 on my T61. Hardware-related problems appear and go away randomly with each kernel update; none have been show-stoppers. I don't have NVidia, thank $GOD, which makes things simpler. You mentioned dist-upgrade. I hope that was an euphemism, since the proper way to upgrade Ubuntu is with Update Manager (or, if you prefer the command line, sudo do-release-upgrade). Dist-upgrade will not necessarily do a complete job of the upgrades. > > However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent > > release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the > > window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? > >=20 > > I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, because > > I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above > > tend to take a few months to get sorted out... >=20 > The advice I heard from others is do not upgrade to 11.10, do a clean > install. Ubuntu moved a bunch of system directories around. You can > work around this problem by creating symlinks from the old location to > the new one. What on Earth are you talking about? The only system directory migration I know about is the introduction of /run. The upgrade tool takes care of that seamlessly. On the other hand, since upgrading from 10.04 to 11.10 would require intermediate upgrades to 10.10 and 11.04, a fresh install of 11.10 might save some time. (Also, if you ask it not to format the partition, it'll delete all the files except for /home, saving you some backup-restore time post-install. You do need backups still, in case something goes wrong, or if you forget to uncheck the format checkbox.) > Also, try a live CD first. A lot of users, especially advanced users det= est > the Unity desktop. During the installation, it tells which package to in= stall > to switch to the Gnome desktop. >=20 > I did a clean install of 11.10 on my wife's Dell XPS M1330N (which came w= ith > Hardy Heron pre-installed). She wants the newer Flash and other updates,= but > doesn't want anything to change. Unity lasted 1 1/2 days. She hated the = color > scheme (ORANGE in your face), the UI, that it was different, etc. I'm wo= rking > on making it as close to Hardy Heron as feasible. >=20 > It went fairly smoothly, except I tried to do the installation with immed= iate > updates over WiFi and ended up with an unusable system. Do the updates w= hile > connected to a wired connection. That sounds interesting. There's a known bug in the upgrade process where it kicks you off wifi and prevents flashplugin-installer from upgrading completely. 11.10 release notes recommend plugging in an Ethernet cable for upgrades for that reason. I haven't seen anyone mention any Wifi-related complications for new installs before. Marius Gedminas --=20 As a rule of thumb, I reckon Python to be an order of magnitude more wastef= ul of CPU cycles and memory than my favourite low-level language, C++. -- Thomas Guest --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6344UACgkQkVdEXeem148VqQCfZ+e6M9Ub5Bzg48WFDxqDWzc0 XtQAn2NAiiclLsz+XQxYu56+wZkg3qPm =DzUJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Nov 7 15:01:32 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Joerg Bruehe) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:01:32 +0100 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <4EB7F2CC.4070200@web.de> Hi Steven, all! Steven J. Owens wrote: > ((...)) > > However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent > release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the > window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? > > ((...)) The following is not specific to either Thinkpads or Ubuntu, but still: I have met difficulties on upgrade much too often to risk an in-place update. Granted, they may have been due to my very unusual hardware setup (two monitors dual-head, one of them rotated), so I don't blame any distro for not catching them. I use my machines for my daily paid work, so I cannot afford extended periods of bug (or workaround) search. My solution: 1) Set up a second system partition. 2) Use the tool of choice ("rsync -a", "cpio -p", ...) to copy all files of the current system partition into the new one. 3) Adapt "/etc/fstab" in the new partition. 4) Ensure the boot configuration can boot from both partitions, check that. 5) Check the system on the new partition works as intended. 6) Upgrade one of these partitions, leave the other unchanged. 7) Check whether the upgraded system works: a) If yes, enjoy. b) If not, search for the cause and fix it. If the search takes longer than you can afford, boot the other partition and do your urgent work; later resume the search. If for any reason you prefer a new installation to an upgrade, the procedure still applies, you just replace steps 2, 3, and 4 by the new install. The only caveat I must say: It might be wise to also backup your desktop configuration files in your home directory, otherwise the old system may have trouble when it finds the new files. KDE 3 -> 4 is such a moment. Doing similar checks from a live CD/DVD may be sufficient, but it mimics a new install rather than an upgrade (using all the additional packages you installed locally). HTH, Joerg -- Joerg Bruehe - persoenliche Aeusserung / speaking only for himself mailto:joerg.bruehe@web.de From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 5 11:32:21 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Shyam Sundar T R) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:02:21 +0530 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? Message-ID: --f46d04428ee23718d904b0fb2f31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've got a T520 with Intel Core i5-2540 and have been running 11.10 without problems for more than a month now. On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:31 PM, wrote: > > 1. How safe is ubuntu 11.10? (Steven J. Owens) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:56:22 +0000 > From: "Steven J. Owens" > To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org > Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? > Reply-To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org > > Folks, > > I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM > Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. > > I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubuntu > release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd > hardware problems. Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, > but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually > find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners. > > However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent > release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the > window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? > > I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, because > I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above > tend to take a few months to get sorted out... > > > -- > Steven J. Owens > puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell > | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, > | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and > | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. > | Take it all with a grain of salt." > | - http://darksleep.com/notablog > > > --__--__-- > > Regards trss --f46d04428ee23718d904b0fb2f31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a T520 with Intel Core i5-2540 and have been running 11.10 wit= hout problems for more than a month now.


On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:31 PM, <linux-thinkpad-re= quest@linux-thinkpad.org> wrote:

=A0 1. How safe is ubuntu 11.10? (Steven J. Owens)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:56:22 +0000
From: "Steven J. Owens" <thinkpad@darksleep.com>
To: linux-thinkpad@lin= ux-thinkpad.org
Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10?
Reply-To: linux-thinkp= ad@linux-thinkpad.org

Folks,

=A0 =A0 I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings.

=A0 =A0 I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubu= ntu
release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd
hardware problems. =A0Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually
find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners.

=A0 =A0 However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent release. =A0For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the window - about hardware gotchas. =A0Anybody know how to check for this?

=A0 =A0 I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, beca= use
I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above
tend to take a few months to get sorted out...


--
Steven J. Owens
puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-80= 60 cell
| "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | =A0declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night a= nd
| =A0this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read.
| =A0Take it all with a grain of salt."
| =A0- http://d= arksleep.com/notablog


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=A0
Regards
trss=A0
--f46d04428ee23718d904b0fb2f31-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Nov 7 19:14:02 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Ricardo Reis) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:14:02 +0000 (WET) Subject: [ltp] google-earth, x220, debian Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-904214108-1320693242=:9473 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE hi all Google-earth, in my machine, likes to flicker alot. Does anyone else have= =20 this problem? I think it must be sandy-bridge graphic related... best regards, Ricardo Reis 'Non Serviam' PhD candidate @ Lasef Computational Fluid Dynamics, High Performance Computing, Turbulence http://www.lasef.ist.utl.pt Cultural Instigator @ R=E1dio Zero http://www.radiozero.pt http://www.flickr.com/photos/rreis/ contacts: gtalk: kyriusan@gmail.com skype: kyriusan --8323329-904214108-1320693242=:9473-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Nov 7 22:43:05 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Jeffrey L. Taylor) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:43:05 -0600 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111107135621.GA22413@platonas> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> <20111107135621.GA22413@platonas> Message-ID: <20111107224305.GA2491@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Quoting Marius Gedminas : > On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 05:53:37PM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: [snip] > On the other hand, since upgrading from 10.04 to 11.10 would require > intermediate upgrades to 10.10 and 11.04, a fresh install of 11.10 might > save some time. (Also, if you ask it not to format the partition, it'll > delete all the files except for /home, saving you some backup-restore > time post-install. You do need backups still, in case something goes > wrong, or if you forget to uncheck the format checkbox.) > Thanks for the info. Putting /home not on its own partition seemed dumb. Now I know why. It would have saved me some time. > > It went fairly smoothly, except I tried to do the installation with immediate > > updates over WiFi and ended up with an unusable system. Do the updates while > > connected to a wired connection. > > That sounds interesting. > > There's a known bug in the upgrade process where it kicks you off wifi > and prevents flashplugin-installer from upgrading completely. 11.10 > release notes recommend plugging in an Ethernet cable for upgrades for > that reason. I haven't seen anyone mention any Wifi-related > complications for new installs before. > Uh, how is plugging in an Ethernet cable != don't use WiFi? Jeffrey From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Tue Nov 8 12:09:52 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:09:52 +0200 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111107224305.GA2491@viajero.bearhouse.lan> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> <20111107135621.GA22413@platonas> <20111107224305.GA2491@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Message-ID: <20111108120952.GB23089@platonas> --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 04:43:05PM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > > > It went fairly smoothly, except I tried to do the installation with i= mmediate > > > updates over WiFi and ended up with an unusable system. Do the updat= es while > > > connected to a wired connection. > >=20 > > That sounds interesting. > >=20 > > There's a known bug in the upgrade process where it kicks you off wifi > > and prevents flashplugin-installer from upgrading completely. 11.10 > > release notes recommend plugging in an Ethernet cable for upgrades for > > that reason. I haven't seen anyone mention any Wifi-related > > complications for new installs before. > > >=20 > Uh, how is plugging in an Ethernet cable !=3D don't use WiFi? *for upgrades*, not for new installs. AFAIU the WiFi problem during upgrades is that a newer version of NetworkManager has moved a PolicyKit policy file somewhere else, and when the old one gets deleted, the still-running old NetworkManager suddenly finds its ability to use WiFi revoked. During installs there's no older version of NetworkManager running, so this problem does not apply. References: * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes#Upgrades * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/859373 Marius Gedminas --=20 Just a note: quantum gravity discussions are _clearly_ on-topic in c.l.py. -- Peter Hansen on comp.lang.python --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk65HBAACgkQkVdEXeem14/WfgCeLZSpNERaY7VoWvuSXD2B/oT2 olIAoIUGmVU4Xtt0l+xzDT2s6kJFRsuX =8iR/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 9 13:02:11 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:02:11 -0500 Subject: [ltp] ThinkPad E520 Message-ID: <4EBA79D3.2030304@rogers.com> Three weeks ago, I bought a ThinkPad E520 type 1143-3BU and installed openSUSE 12.1 beta on it. So far everything works well with it, though there were a few issues with the beta software that had to be corrected. So, at the moment, all the hardware I've tried, including WiFi, audio & web cam work. I can recommend this model for Linux use. BTW, this is the first laptop computer I've used that didn't have a built in dial up modem. ;-) From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 9 13:57:55 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:57:55 +0100 Subject: [ltp] ThinkPad E520 In-Reply-To: <4EBA79D3.2030304@rogers.com> References: <4EBA79D3.2030304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20111109135755.GD17118@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net> On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 08:02:11AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Three weeks ago, I bought a ThinkPad E520 type 1143-3BU and > installed openSUSE 12.1 beta on it. So far everything works well > with it, though there were a few issues with the beta software that > had to be corrected. So, at the moment, all the hardware I've > tried, including WiFi, audio & web cam work. I can recommend this > model for Linux use. Heya, I am wondering, does HDAPS and Bettery thresholds (either via tp_smapi or via the ACPI interface https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753) work? Regards Evgeni -- Bruce Schneier can read and understand Perl programs. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 9 15:08:31 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:08:31 -0500 Subject: [ltp] ThinkPad E520 In-Reply-To: <20111109135755.GD17118@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net> References: <4EBA79D3.2030304@rogers.com> <20111109135755.GD17118@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net> Message-ID: <4EBA976F.2060508@rogers.com> Evgeni Golov wrote: > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 08:02:11AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >> Three weeks ago, I bought a ThinkPad E520 type 1143-3BU and >> installed openSUSE 12.1 beta on it. So far everything works well >> with it, though there were a few issues with the beta software that >> had to be corrected. So, at the moment, all the hardware I've >> tried, including WiFi, audio& web cam work. I can recommend this >> model for Linux use. >> > Heya, > > I am wondering, does HDAPS and Bettery thresholds (either via tp_smapi > or via the ACPI interface > https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753) work? > > Regards > Evgeni > > I have no idea about that. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 9 15:29:31 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dick Summerfield) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:29:31 +0100 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> Message-ID: Hello, This is my first post to the list so I would like to say a little about myself first. I am a fairly new to both the ThinkPad and Linux having bought my used T43 a couple of months ago and having started with Linux a few months before that. I am still just trying various distros and haven't really settled on one yet. I recently replaced the original 40G HDD of the T43 with a 100G model. I then bought an Ultrabay caddy on e-Bay with the idea of using it to contain the original disk as 2nd HDD. This caddy was advertised as "PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x" and it was possible to read "PATA IDE" on the product in the photograph accompanying the advert. Now the caddy has turned up and although it appears to be identical to the product offered, it has the words "Serial ATA" on the label. I've tried the empty caddy for fit after removing the CD/DVD drive and - though a still little stiff - it fits and ejects well enough. The internal connector (see: http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/Photos/T4x-Caddy.jpg ) is the same as that on the seller's photo (2 x 22 slightly off centre) and the main block of pins on the PATA disk seem to fit these but the the separate block of four pins on the PATA drive would then not be connected, which doesn't seem good to me. Can someone please give advice on whether I can use my old 40G IDE disk in this caddy or do I have to forget the idea (or buy a SATA disk? ;-)). Regards, Dick Summerfield, Eindhoven, Netherlands. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 9 16:01:32 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (bhaskins) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:01:32 -0500 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> Message-ID: <4EBAA3DC.6020104@chartermi.net> On 11/09/2011 10:29 AM, Dick Summerfield wrote: > Hello, > > This is my first post to the list so I would like to say a little about myself first. I am a fairly new to both > the ThinkPad and Linux having bought my used T43 a couple of months ago and having started with Linux > a few months before that. I am still just trying various distros and haven't really settled on one yet. > > I recently replaced the original 40G HDD of the T43 with a 100G model. > I then bought an Ultrabay caddy on e-Bay with the idea of using it to contain the original disk as 2nd HDD. > This caddy was advertised as "PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x" and it was possible to > read "PATA IDE" on the product in the photograph accompanying the advert. > > Now the caddy has turned up and although it appears to be identical to the product offered, it has the words > "Serial ATA" on the label. > I've tried the empty caddy for fit after removing the CD/DVD drive and - though a still little stiff - it fits and ejects well enough. > The internal connector (see: http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/Photos/T4x-Caddy.jpg ) is the same as that on the seller's > photo (2 x 22 slightly off centre) and the main block of pins on the PATA disk seem to fit these but the the separate > block of four pins on the PATA drive would then not be connected, which doesn't seem good to me. > > Can someone please give advice on whether I can use my old 40G IDE disk in this caddy or do I have > to forget the idea (or buy a SATA disk? ;-)). > > > > Regards, > > Dick Summerfield, > Eindhoven, > Netherlands. > The label is wrong, the connector is just like the one on my Ultrabay IDE adapters. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 9 17:41:00 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Helmut Hullen) Date: 09 Nov 2011 18:41:00 +0100 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hallo, Dick, Du meintest am 09.11.11: > I recently replaced the original 40G HDD of the T43 with a 100G > model. I then bought an Ultrabay caddy on e-Bay with the idea of > using it to contain the original disk as 2nd HDD. [...] > The internal connector (see: http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/Photos/T > 4x-Caddy.jpg ) is the same as that on the seller's photo (2 x 22 > slightly off centre) and the main block of pins on the PATA disk seem > to fit these but the the separate block of four pins on the PATA > drive would then not be connected, which doesn't seem good to me. That works. Perhaps with a little help. You should (or must) jumper the disk with a small jumper as "master". Then you can see the second disk in the setup menu, in the "boot" submenu. Viele Gruesse! Helmut From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 11:38:23 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dick Summerfield) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:38:23 +0100 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: <4EBAA3DC.6020104@chartermi.net> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <4EB5B148.1000303@rumbero.es> <4EBAA3DC.6020104@chartermi.net> Message-ID: At 17:01 09/11/2011, you wrote: >The label is wrong, the connector is just like the one on my Ultrabay IDE adapters. >-- bhaskins, Thanks. I'm beginning to believe you. -- Dick From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 13:03:29 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dick Summerfield) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:03:29 +0100 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Helmut, At 18:41 09/11/2011, you wrote: >That works. Perhaps with a little help. > >You should (or must) jumper the disk with a small jumper as "master". > >Then you can see the second disk in the setup menu, in the "boot" >submenu. Thanks for your advice. It triggered me to find out that the group of four, separate, unconnected pins are in fact the "jumper-pins" (my name) I also found the following information with regard to the pins (http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/disk-pinout.htm ): ===quote=== For laptops (44 pin connector) the master/slave jumper scheme given below seems to be pretty common, although I wouldn’t be surprised to find others. Looking at the pins, we have (v = pin 1): v . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . device 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i.e. master v . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | device 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | i.e. slave v . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . cable select . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _ _ ===end quote=== So, as I understand it, I should leave the disk already in the laptop as is - no jumpers = (disk 0 / master) the disk in the new caddy should have the jumper vertically on the outermost pins = (disk 1/slave). Is this the same as what you are saying? Will anything be broken if I get it wrong or will it just not work? -- Regards, Dick. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 14:37:09 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (bhaskins) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:37:09 -0500 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EBBE195.1090209@chartermi.net> On 11/10/2011 08:03 AM, Dick Summerfield wrote: > Helmut, > > At 18:41 09/11/2011, you wrote: > >> That works. Perhaps with a little help. >> >> You should (or must) jumper the disk with a small jumper as "master". >> >> Then you can see the second disk in the setup menu, in the "boot" >> submenu. > Thanks for your advice. > It triggered me to find out that the group of four, separate, unconnected pins are in fact the "jumper-pins" (my name) > > I also found the following information with regard to the pins (http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/disk-pinout.htm ): > ===quote=== > For laptops (44 pin connector) the master/slave jumper scheme given below seems > to be pretty common, although I wouldn’t be surprised to find others. Looking > at the pins, we have (v = pin 1): > > v > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . device 0 > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i.e. master > > v > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | device 1 > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | i.e. slave > > v > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . cable select > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _ _ > > ===end quote=== > > So, as I understand it, I should leave the disk already in the laptop as is - no jumpers = (disk 0 / master) > the disk in the new caddy should have the jumper vertically on the outermost pins = (disk 1/slave). > Is this the same as what you are saying? > > Will anything be broken if I get it wrong or will it just not work? > > -- > > Regards, > > Dick. > Your seller did not do right by you, there should have been a jumper supplied with the unit to jumper the "slave" pins. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 14:08:00 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Helmut Hullen) Date: 10 Nov 2011 15:08:00 +0100 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hallo, Dick, Du meintest am 10.11.11: >> That works. Perhaps with a little help. >> >> You should (or must) jumper the disk with a small jumper as >> "master". > For laptops (44 pin connector) the master/slave jumper scheme given > below seems to be pretty common, although I wouldn?t be surprised to > find others. Looking at the pins, we have (v = pin 1): > v > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . device 0 > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i.e. master Most of my 2,5" disks show . | . | for "master". And when I use an SSD or a CFdisk in a CFdisk2IDE adapter as replacement for the usual disk (hda or sda) then I have to jumper it as master (in the above advice I had remembered wrong: not in the bay but in the "regular" disk place). Viele Gruesse! Helmut From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 16:26:06 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:26:06 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <4EB5CC42.2000009@starset.net> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> <4EB5CC42.2000009@starset.net> Message-ID: <20111110162606.GE11574@darksleep.com> On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 04:52:34PM -0700, Rubin Abdi wrote: > Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote, On 2011-11-05 15:53: > > The advice I heard from others is do not upgrade to 11.10, do a clean install. > > I don't understand how this is an acceptable thing in the Linux world > [...] As much as it sucks being > that weirdo within my *nix circle of friends not running Ubuntu, as > least I don't have to act like I'm doing a Windows upgrade every 6 > months and figure out if all the hassle will be worth it for device > compatibility and what not. That's why I was running ubuntu 10.4 LTS, it has a much longer release cycle and support window. Unfortunately, it came time to upgrade from my thinkpad t43p to the t520, and I apparently leapfrogged ahead of the kernel/hardware support in LTS. I ran into problems with suspend-to-ram not working and wired ethernet not working. I think I wrangled the latter out here and the general consensus was that my kernel was just too danged old. -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 16:28:35 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:28:35 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111107135621.GA22413@platonas> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> <20111107135621.GA22413@platonas> Message-ID: <20111110162835.GF11574@darksleep.com> On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 03:56:21PM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 05:53:37PM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > > Quoting Steven J. Owens : > > > I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM > > > Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. > > > > > > I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubuntu > > > release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd > > > hardware problems. Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, > > > but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually > > > find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners. > > For the record, I've been running all versions of Ubuntu since 7.10 on my > T61. Hardware-related problems appear and go away randomly with each > kernel update; none have been show-stoppers. I don't have NVidia, thank > $GOD, which makes things simpler. Depends on what you mean by show-stopper... I've managed to limp along but with hassles ranging from persistently annoying to major pain in the rear. Sometimes I can tolerate these, other times my $work depends on things running smoothly. > You mentioned dist-upgrade. I hope that was an euphemism, since the Yeah. -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 16:36:37 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:36:37 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <4EB7F2CC.4070200@web.de> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <4EB7F2CC.4070200@web.de> Message-ID: <20111110163637.GG11574@darksleep.com> Joerg, On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 04:01:32PM +0100, Joerg Bruehe wrote: > I have met difficulties on upgrade much too often to risk an in-place > update. > Granted, they may have been due to my very unusual hardware setup (two > monitors dual-head, one of them rotated), so I don't blame any distro > for not catching them. > > I use my machines for my daily paid work, so I cannot afford extended > periods of bug (or workaround) search. Same here. > My solution: > 1) Set up a second system partition. > 2) Use the tool of choice ("rsync -a", "cpio -p", ...) to copy all files > of the current system partition into the new one. > 3) Adapt "/etc/fstab" in the new partition. > 4) Ensure the boot configuration can boot from both partitions, > check that. > 5) Check the system on the new partition works as intended. > 6) Upgrade one of these partitions, leave the other unchanged. > 7) Check whether the upgraded system works: > a) If yes, enjoy. > b) If not, search for the cause and fix it. > If the search takes longer than you can afford, boot the other > partition and do your urgent work; later resume the search. > > If for any reason you prefer a new installation to an upgrade, the > procedure still applies, you just replace steps 2, 3, and 4 by the new > install. That's pretty much the approach I ended up taking. I backed everything up, booted up a liveCD and used gparted to shrink my bulkdata partition and free up 20GB and create a new partition to be the new home for /. Then I used the alternate install CD with advanced manual partitioning to install 11.10 on the new 20GB partition and mount the old 50GB /home and 300+GB /bulkdata. The install CD detected the 10.4 LTS install and gave me the option of installing alongside, which I took. There was a moment of uncertainty when the advanced manual partitioning didn't show the old mount points for /home and /bulkdata. I had to re-specify them (and mounted the old / as /oldroot), but I was uncertain whether that was safe or risked those partitions being overwritten. I checked with folks on #ubuntu and was reassured it was safe, so I went ahead and everything went pretty smoothly after that. > The only caveat I must say: > It might be wise to also backup your desktop configuration files in your > home directory, otherwise the old system may have trouble when it finds > the new files. KDE 3 -> 4 is such a moment. To paraphrase the movie _Ronin_, "whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt! Backup!" :-) -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 16:39:30 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Petter Hansen) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:39:30 +0100 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <4EBBFE42.7040707@rlug.net> Den 04. nov. 2011 15:56, skrev Steven J. Owens: > Folks, > > I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM > Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. > > I've been running ubuntu 10.4 LTS because I found the main ubuntu > release to be a pain - too frequently the dist-upgrades caused odd > hardware problems. Nobody mentioned the problems _before_ I upgraded, > but after I ran into them and did a lot of googling, I'd eventually > find that they afflicted other thinkpad owners. > > However, for various reasons I need to upgrade to a more recent > release. For once, I'd like to find out - *before* I jump out the > window - about hardware gotchas. Anybody know how to check for this? > > I'm also considering upgrading to 11.4, instead of 11.10, because > I've observed in the past that the hardware issues I mention above > tend to take a few months to get sorted out... > > Hello. I have probably the same machine 4243-3UG + (total 8 gig ram, Intel 320 ssd) I first tried to install Ubuntu 11.10, but then it used so much power that the life of the battery was only 3.5 - 4 hours, but everything functioned without tweak anything. I also use only Intel graphics, so do not know how it will be with Nvidia graphics. Now I use 11.04 with Intel graphics, and everything works out of the box. 3G works well and battery life is now 7-8 hours. Idle power consumption is now only 8-10 watts -- Petter Hansen Romerike Linux User Group http://www.rlug.net irc://irc.efnet.org/rlug Enter SU to get rootly powers. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 16:48:30 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:48:30 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Message-ID: <20111110164830.GH11574@darksleep.com> On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 05:53:37PM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > The advice I heard from others is do not upgrade to 11.10, do a clean install. I ended up installing the 11.10 as a dual-boot clean install, as I described in another post, just now. > I did a clean install of 11.10 on my wife's Dell XPS M1330N (which came with > Hardy Heron pre-installed). She wants the newer Flash and other updates, but > doesn't want anything to change. Unity lasted 1 1/2 days. She hated the color > scheme (ORANGE in your face), the UI, that it was different, etc. I'm working > on making it as close to Hardy Heron as feasible. I have no particular axe to grind with Unity, but gratuitous change is annoying. I hear it's much friendlier to new users, but I was (sadly not) shocked and (all too) appalled to see it was actually *slower* than 10.4 LTS, even with the newer kernel. Also, there were several minor details that I found annoying and don't have spare time right now to learn the workarounds for. The new way alt-tab works. The lack of a gnome menu bar applet for window-selecting. The menu search feature is definitely nice (how many times have I installed a new package, then had to go to google or #ubuntu to ask about where to find the new menu item). But I hate *having* to use it instead of going to where I know stuff is. I like the command shell, but it's a bit silly to reimplement it in the menu :-). I decided to try out one of the lighter-weight UIs, and went with xubuntu, which runs xfce. It is trivially easy to install (sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop) and equally trivial to switch back and forth between it and unity (just select which one you want on the X login dialog). It's much snappier, though it could use a little help in the visual design department. But ultimately it's about getting stuff done. -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 16:55:52 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:55:52 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <4EBBFE42.7040707@rlug.net> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <4EBBFE42.7040707@rlug.net> Message-ID: <20111110165552.GI11574@darksleep.com> Peter, On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 05:39:30PM +0100, Petter Hansen wrote: > Den 04. nov. 2011 15:56, skrev Steven J. Owens: > > I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM > >Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. > > I have probably the same machine 4243-3UG + (total 8 gig ram, Intel > 320 ssd) Mine is 4239-CTO. I'd like to try out SSD but I don't want to give up a real HD or the CD/DVD drive. I've considered the internal SSD, but when I was buying my t520 it was not clear whether it was bootable and/or fast enough to make putting the / partition on it worthwhile. (Just did some quick googling and it looks like it is indeed bootable.) > I first tried to install Ubuntu 11.10, but then it used so > much power that the life of the battery was only 3.5 - 4 hours, but > everything functioned without tweak anything. I also use only Intel > graphics, so do not know how it will be with Nvidia graphics. For now I have optimus turned off in the BIOS and I'm using intel only. I'd love to have all that horsepower but I haven't had time to devote to experimenting with bumblebee, etc. > Now I use 11.04 with Intel graphics, and everything works out of the > box. 3G works well and battery life is now 7-8 hours. Idle power > consumption is now only 8-10 watts Interesting. Do you have any clear indications of what made the difference? -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 17:38:03 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:38:03 +0000 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111110162606.GE11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <20111105225337.GB2505@viajero.bearhouse.lan> <4EB5CC42.2000009@starset.net> <20111110162606.GE11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <4EBC0BFB.2000503@richardneill.org> > That's why I was running ubuntu 10.4 LTS, it has a much longer > release cycle and support window. Unfortunately, it came time to > upgrade from my thinkpad t43p to the t520, and I apparently > leapfrogged ahead of the kernel/hardware support in LTS. > > I ran into problems with suspend-to-ram not working and wired > ethernet not working. I think I wrangled the latter out here and the > general consensus was that my kernel was just too danged old. It is quite simple to simply install the backported kernel packages from, say Natty, onto a Lucid base. I did this myself to solve wifi/ethernet driver issues for a customer. It may not fix your problem, but it's simple to give it a try, and as long as you don't uninstall your existing kernel, you won't do anything irrevocable. HTH, Richard From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 10 17:40:18 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Petter Hansen) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:40:18 +0100 Subject: [ltp] How safe is ubuntu 11.10? In-Reply-To: <20111110165552.GI11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111104145622.GW11574@darksleep.com> <4EBBFE42.7040707@rlug.net> <20111110165552.GI11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <4EBC0C82.1030707@rlug.net> Den 10. nov. 2011 17:55, skrev Steven J. Owens: > Peter, > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 05:39:30PM +0100, Petter Hansen wrote: >> Den 04. nov. 2011 15:56, skrev Steven J. Owens: >>> I have a thinkpad t520 with nvidia/optimus, Intel Core i7-2720QM >>> Processor (2.20GHz, 6MB L3), 8 gigs of memory and all the trimmings. >> >> I have probably the same machine 4243-3UG + (total 8 gig ram, Intel >> 320 ssd) > > Mine is 4239-CTO. I'd like to try out SSD but I don't want to > give up a real HD or the CD/DVD drive. I've considered the internal > SSD, but when I was buying my t520 it was not clear whether it was > bootable and/or fast enough to make putting the / partition on it > worthwhile. (Just did some quick googling and it looks like it is > indeed bootable.) I have used ssd for / for about 4 years now on my X-61 and haven't had any problems with that. Bootup takes about 15 sec. On a normal hd it takes at least 40 sec. after bios is finished. One thing is important when using the ssd. You must remember to activate the trim command in fstab. > >> I first tried to install Ubuntu 11.10, but then it used so >> much power that the life of the battery was only 3.5 - 4 hours, but >> everything functioned without tweak anything. I also use only Intel >> graphics, so do not know how it will be with Nvidia graphics. > > For now I have optimus turned off in the BIOS and I'm using intel > only. I'd love to have all that horsepower but I haven't had time to > devote to experimenting with bumblebee, etc. > >> Now I use 11.04 with Intel graphics, and everything works out of the >> box. 3G works well and battery life is now 7-8 hours. Idle power >> consumption is now only 8-10 watts > > Interesting. Do you have any clear indications of what made > the difference? This is kernel 3.0 problem. Take a look here. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_31_power_regress&num=1 Or google a bit around "Power regression Sandy Bridge" chipset. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Tue Nov 8 21:13:05 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dick Summerfield) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:13:05 +0100 Subject: [ltp] PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x In-Reply-To: <20111105233742.SRSP18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@dev1.mail.iinet. net.au> References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <20111105233742.SRSP18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@dev1.mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: --=====================_52915218==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, I recently replaced the original 40G HDD of my T43 with a 100G model. I then bought an Ultrabay caddy on e-Bay with the idea of using it to contain the original HDD. This caddy was advertised as "PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x" and it was possible to read "PATA IDE" on the article in the photograph accompanying the advert. Now the caddy has turned up I find the words "Serial ATA" on the label but the caddy *looks* identical to the one on the seller's photo even to the positioning and format of the internal connector. (2 x 22 slightly off centre). The PATA drive has more pins than this though the spacing seems OK. I'm not sure whether graphic attachments are OK on this list or even whether it will get through but I am going to risk it so that you can see what I have. I hope someone will be able to tell me whether I can use my old 40G IDE disk in this caddy or do I have to forget the idea (or buy a SATA disk? ;-)). 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In-Reply-To: References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <20111105233742.SRSP18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@dev1.mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: I have just noticed that my first post, (subject: PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x), turned up on the list after all... So my apologies for this double post. When I posted it, it did not seem to appear for a long time so I posted again without attachment - assuming that attachments above a certain size were being filtered out by the list-server. What is the list's policy on graphical attachments please? I've never seen any sent in (apart from the GPG signatures). Regards, Dick Summerfield From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Nov 14 16:09:08 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:09:08 -0600 Subject: [ltp] Graphical attachments? In-Reply-To: References: <1319555535.30784.14.camel@scapa> <1320528962.4869.31.camel@scapa> <20111105233742.SRSP18437.mta03.xtra.co.nz@dev1.mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4EC13D24.9030501@idlelion.net> On 11/14/2011 08:00 AM, Dick Summerfield wrote: > I have just noticed that my first post, (subject: PATA IDE 2nd HDD caddy for IBM T4x), turned up on the list after all... > So my apologies for this double post. > When I posted it, it did not seem to appear for a long time so I posted again without attachment - assuming that > attachments above a certain size were being filtered out by the list-server. > > What is the list's policy on graphical attachments please? I've never seen any sent in (apart from the GPG signatures). > > Regards, > > Dick Summerfield > AFAIK, no graphical attachments are allowed. It may be that only signatures are. Chris From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 16 09:52:34 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:52:34 +0100 Subject: [ltp] BIOS update on Thinkpad X220 fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1321437154.3398.3.camel@oban> On sam., 2011-10-29 at 17:17 +0100, Ricardo Reis wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, Johannes Bittner wrote: > > > Any idea why this doesn't work? > > It has to do with the kind of isos lenovo is doing. > > Someone at the notebook forum recommended this and it worked like a > charm: > > http://www.floccinaucinihilipilification.net/blog/2011/10/2/updating-the-bios-of-a-thinkpad-x220-using-linux.html > > > (ref link for credit: > > http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/575569-linux-x220-9.html#post7991348 > > ) > Any idea how to combine that with an extlinux/syslinux boot? (I usually boot bios upgrades from either my /boot partition or from an usb key which has an extlinux installed and can boot various bios updates, dos utilities etc.) Trying the usual: label x220t menu label x220t bios update linux memdisk append iso initrd /8duj12uc.iso doesn't work. With the initial image, it fails with the same error as initial poster (upgrade just hangs). With the images after geteltorito, it doesn't boot. Relevant messages during boot: El Torito BCD sanity check failed. El Torito bot catalog sanity check failed. MEMDISK: Image seems to have fractional end cylinder [...] MEMDISK: bootstrap too large to load Regards, -- Yves-Alexis From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 16 10:03:45 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:03:45 +0100 Subject: [ltp] BIOS update on Thinkpad X220 fails In-Reply-To: <1321437154.3398.3.camel@oban> References: <1321437154.3398.3.camel@oban> Message-ID: <1321437825.3398.4.camel@oban> On mer., 2011-11-16 at 10:52 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > Trying the usual: > > label x220t > menu label x220t bios update > linux memdisk > append iso > initrd /8duj12uc.iso > > doesn't work. With the initial image, it fails with the same error as > initial poster (upgrade just hangs). With the images after > geteltorito, > it doesn't boot. Relevant messages during boot: > > El Torito BCD sanity check failed. > El Torito bot catalog sanity check failed. > MEMDISK: Image seems to have fractional end cylinder > [...] > MEMDISK: bootstrap too large to load So, removing "append iso" fixes the problem, but I'm back to the initial problem, the upgrade hangs... -- Yves-Alexis From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 16 10:09:51 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Ricardo Reis) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:09:51 +0000 (WET) Subject: [ltp] BIOS update on Thinkpad X220 fails In-Reply-To: <1321437825.3398.4.camel@oban> References: <1321437154.3398.3.camel@oban> <1321437825.3398.4.camel@oban> Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-1388565730-1321438191=:3227 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On mer., 2011-11-16 at 10:52 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: >> Trying the usual: >> >> label x220t >> menu label x220t bios update >> linux memdisk >> append iso >> initrd /8duj12uc.iso >> >> doesn't work. With the initial image, it fails with the same error as >> initial poster (upgrade just hangs). With the images after >> geteltorito, >> it doesn't boot. Relevant messages during boot: >> >> El Torito BCD sanity check failed. >> El Torito bot catalog sanity check failed. >> MEMDISK: Image seems to have fractional end cylinder >> [...] >> MEMDISK: bootstrap too large to load > > So, removing "append iso" fixes the problem, but I'm back to the initial > problem, the upgrade hangs... have you read this? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/BIOS_update_without_optical_disk Ricardo Reis 'Non Serviam' PhD candidate @ Lasef Computational Fluid Dynamics, High Performance Computing, Turbulence http://www.lasef.ist.utl.pt Cultural Instigator @ R=C3=A1dio Zero http://www.radiozero.pt http://www.flickr.com/photos/rreis/ contacts: gtalk: kyriusan@gmail.com skype: kyriusan --8323329-1388565730-1321438191=:3227-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 16 10:21:01 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:21:01 +0100 Subject: [ltp] BIOS update on Thinkpad X220 fails In-Reply-To: References: <1321437154.3398.3.camel@oban> <1321437825.3398.4.camel@oban> Message-ID: <1321438861.3398.6.camel@oban> On mer., 2011-11-16 at 10:09 +0000, Ricardo Reis wrote: > have you read this? > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/BIOS_update_without_optical_disk > This is the exact same method. -- Yves-Alexis From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 16 22:20:06 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:20:06 -0500 Subject: [ltp] WiFi on ThinkPad E520 with openSUSE 12.1 release version Message-ID: <4EC43716.5090603@rogers.com> I have just installed openSUSE 12.1 on a ThinkPad E520 type 1143-3BU. I had to do the following to get WiFi to work. Install rfkill Edit /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-wlan0 to change "WIRELESS_POWER="no" to "none" rfmod -f acer_wmi rfkill unblock all echo "blacklist acer_wmi" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf After doing the above, WiFi now works. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 16 22:31:53 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Steven J. Owens) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:31:53 +0000 Subject: [ltp] HDMI-out from vmware windows under linux? Message-ID: <20111116223153.GV11574@darksleep.com> Hi, I have a t520 with optimus, running ubuntu 11.10 oneiric and xubuntu-desktop (xfce). AFAIK there's not much hope of getting HDMI-out to work under linux in the near future. One of my colleagues is suggesting I set up a vmware Windows install to deal with something at work. Is it possible to get HDMI-out working from such a setup? -- Steven J. Owens puff@darksleep.com / (412) 401-8060 cell | "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, | declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and | this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. | Take it all with a grain of salt." | - http://darksleep.com/notablog From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 17 05:45:56 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dmitry E. Mikhailov) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:45:56 +0600 Subject: [ltp] HDMI-out from vmware windows under linux? In-Reply-To: <20111116223153.GV11574@darksleep.com> References: <20111116223153.GV11574@darksleep.com> Message-ID: <201111171145.56238.d.mikhailov@infocommunications.ru> On Thursday 17 November 2011 04:31, Steven J. Owens wrote: > I have a t520 with optimus, running ubuntu 11.10 oneiric and > xubuntu-desktop (xfce). AFAIK there's not much hope of getting > HDMI-out to work under linux in the near future. OT: Optimus sucks from every aspect except being (somewhat) usable by stupid user. > One of my colleagues is suggesting I set up a vmware Windows > install to deal with something at work. Is it possible to get > HDMI-out working from such a setup? With a really new vmware, vt-d (IOMMU) enabled hardware (which is on servers only, right?) you could try forwarding a PCI-E video card (nvidia one) to the Windows VM. But then we got an intel card on linux, nvidia card on windows and optimus hardware to manage video outputs on... where? I'd really like to hear from you if you try this. Windows VM could grab video output once it's started if optimus hardware is controlled via nvidia PCI-e video card. It could be a nice experience to have linux running somewhere behind and have no video output at all. If the keyboard and mouse are also connected and good net bridging setup Linux could be invisible to the user. And then in a couple years as KVM and hardware matures, one could create a bulletproof malware running various servers on a Linux running invisible in background and having Windows virtualized. Makes me wonder how would antiviruses deal with that? Best regards, Dmitry Mikhailov From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 17 17:52:46 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Damon Lynch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:52:46 -0600 Subject: [ltp] RE: HDMI-out from vmware windows under linux? Message-ID: <4EC549EE.3000100@gmail.com> Did you try setting the graphics settings to discrete? AFAIK, HDMI / DisplayPort work only with the Nvidia card. -- http://www.damonlynch.net From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Nov 17 17:57:50 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Ricardo Reis) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:57:50 +0000 (WET) Subject: [ltp] x220 halting on shutdown Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-2110254229-1321552675=:11594 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi does anyone come accross this problem? When I do shutdown the system just= =20 hangs. Sometimes it reboots. Haven't seen a clean shutdown in this machine= =20 that I can recall. I'm running debian. best, Ricardo Reis 'Non Serviam' PhD candidate @ Lasef Computational Fluid Dynamics, High Performance Computing, Turbulence http://www.lasef.ist.utl.pt Cultural Instigator @ R=E1dio Zero http://www.radiozero.pt http://www.flickr.com/photos/rreis/ contacts: gtalk: kyriusan@gmail.com skype: kyriusan --8323329-2110254229-1321552675=:11594-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 19 12:22:29 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Zaki Akhmad) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:22:29 +0700 Subject: [ltp] Bluetooth at ThinkPad Edge E120 Message-ID: Hello, I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 at ThinkPad Edge E120. On the specification it's written that this laptop has bluetooth. How do I enable this bluetooth? Thanks! -- Zaki Akhmad From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Nov 19 20:28:23 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Matt Jenny) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:28:23 -0500 Subject: [ltp] Bluetooth at ThinkPad Edge E120 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --0015177418a893cbd804b21c4b04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 try sudo lsusb and see if it is listed, if it is, then try and find a way to use it, i don't have the first clue about KDE. If not, check your BIOS and see if there is an option to enable it, on my X201s there is no option to disable bluetooth, it looks to be the standard bluetooth daughtercard, that is quite compatible, so its should work out-of-box on any recent kernel. On a minerly off topic rant, why would lenovo remove so many indicator LEDs, I can't find a logical reason, and they look like a downgrade, and annoying, like in this situation having a bluetooth indicator would be an easy way to see if it is working or not. I have been using ThinkPads since my 770ED in 1997, the indicators and the trackpoint have been why I stayed with IBM and then Lenovo, and the reason I plan on staying with my X201s as long as I can is because I don't think I could deal with three indicators (just three if memory serves), maybe someone who had my opinion going in could give me their impressions of the new configuration, because I am unsure of what laptop I will get when mine bites the dust or gets too slow for my uses (which is what usually happens). On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Zaki Akhmad wrote: > Hello, > > I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 at ThinkPad Edge E120. On the > specification it's written that this laptop has bluetooth. How do I > enable this bluetooth? > > Thanks! > -- > Zaki Akhmad > -- > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: > http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad > --0015177418a893cbd804b21c4b04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable try sudo lsusb and see if it is listed, if it is, then try and find a way t= o use it, i don't have the first clue about KDE. If not, check your BIO= S and see if there is an option to enable it, on my X201s there is no optio= n to disable bluetooth, it looks to be the standard bluetooth daughtercard,= that is quite compatible, so its should work out-of-box on any recent kern= el.

On a minerly off topic rant, why would lenovo remove so many indicator = LEDs, I can't find a logical reason, and they look like a downgrade, an= d annoying, like in this situation having a bluetooth indicator would be an= easy way to see if it is working or not. I have been using ThinkPads since= my 770ED in 1997, the indicators and the trackpoint have been why I stayed= with IBM and then Lenovo, and the reason I plan on staying with my X201s a= s long as I can is because I don't think I could deal with three indica= tors (just three if memory serves), maybe someone who had my opinion going = in could give me their impressions of the new configuration, because I am u= nsure of what laptop I will get when mine bites the dust or gets too slow f= or my uses (which is what usually happens).

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Zaki Akhmad= <zakiakhmad@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 at ThinkPad Edge E120. On the
specification it's written that this laptop has bluetooth. How do I
enable this bluetooth?

Thanks!
--
Zaki Akhmad
--
The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/lin= ux-thinkpad

--0015177418a893cbd804b21c4b04-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Tue Nov 29 20:01:06 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:06 -0500 Subject: [ltp] how to protect rescue partition before/when dualbooting? Message-ID: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> summary: W510 shipped with Vista, vendor upgraded to W7, to be dualbooted. How to preserve the rescue partition, or at least its functionality, JIC something goes wrong? details: I'm currently evaluating a TP W510 (product ID=4389UN5) which my school has on closeout. It shipped with Vista which the school upgraded to W7 Enterprise. I will probably have occasional use for W7, but mostly want this box to run linux (specifically LMDE, a debian variant). That will require repartitioning, which makes me anxious to preserve the hidden partition that Rescue and Recovery uses, and which (IIRC) contains startup ThinkVantage utilities. (When repartitioning I will attempt to keep partition=diags, but there are numerous reports online of folks trying and failing to do this.) Hence I mostly wanted to create the Product Recovery DVD per ThinkWiki http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Pre-Installation_steps#Rescue_and_Recovery_Media prior to installing linux. Like the OP on this thread http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkVantage-Technologies/I-updated-my-T61-from-VISTA-to-win-7-64-bit-now-thinpad-recovery/td-p/597059 I also was unable to install R&R 4.5, but was able to install R&R 4.31. I then ran ThinkVantage System Update, which applied fixes to R&R but did not up-version it. After defrag, etc, I ran R&R and hit button="Launch advanced Rescue and Recovery", but only saw an option (besides the ones for creating/restoring system backups) to "Create Rescue Media", which only creates the first recovery CD (but doesn't backup the utilities to DVD). How to backup or otherwise preserve the utilities in the hidden partition, or the hidden partition itself? Other than clonezilla-ing the current HD (which I am imaging now)--I would prefer a more flexible response to future problems. TIA, Tom Roche From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Tue Nov 29 21:18:59 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:18:59 -0500 Subject: [ltp] how to protect rescue partition before/when dualbooting? In-Reply-To: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> References: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4ED54C43.9080609@rogers.com> Tom Roche wrote: > summary: W510 shipped with Vista, vendor upgraded to W7, to be dualbooted. How to preserve the rescue partition, or at least its functionality, JIC something goes wrong? > There should be a utility included to create a set of "Factory Recovery Disks". Failing that, I suppose you could just use dd to make a copy of the recovery partition. Also, don't worry about Linux clobbering that partition. Just shrink the Windows partition, using the included (optional) Disk Management utility. If it's not included on your system, you'll have to use a Linux or 3rd party utility to shrink the partition. BTW, I installed openSUSE 12.1 on my ThinkPad Edge E520 that I bought last month. It works well. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 30 02:25:07 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:25:07 -0500 Subject: [ltp] Re: how to protect rescue partition before/when dualbooting? References: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: <87hb1mbb3w.fsf@pobox.com> Tom Roche Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:06 -0500 >> W510 shipped with Vista, vendor upgraded to W7, to be dualbooted. >> How to preserve the rescue partition, or at least its >> functionality, JIC something goes wrong? James Knott Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:18:59 -0500 > There should be a utility included to create a set of "Factory > Recovery Disks". Hmm: I'm not seeing it in R&R 4.31 on W7. Where should I be looking? > Also, don't worry about Linux clobbering that partition. Just shrink > the Windows partition, using the included (optional) Disk Management > utility. Actually I succeeded using the GParted included with the LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) installer. I repartitioned, adding linux partitions after the original ones (sda1=R&R, sda2=W7). After only repartitioning, I could not access R&R via F11 @ boot, but after installing LMDE (including GRUB) I can boot GRUB menu item="Windows Recovery Environment" which brings up "ThinkVantage ImageUltra 5". Your assistance is appreciated, Tom Roche From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 30 02:39:25 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:39:25 +0000 Subject: [ltp] Re: how to protect rescue partition before/when dualbooting? In-Reply-To: <87hb1mbb3w.fsf@pobox.com> References: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> <87hb1mbb3w.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4ED5975D.6060602@richardneill.org> On 30/11/11 02:25, Tom Roche wrote: > > Tom Roche Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:06 -0500 >>> W510 shipped with Vista, vendor upgraded to W7, to be dualbooted. >>> How to preserve the rescue partition, or at least its >>> functionality, JIC something goes wrong? > For what it's worth, I wouldn't do it this way. If you ever need to use the rescue partition, it will completely obliterate your existing installation, your data, and your Linux partition, restoring it to exactly as it left the factory. So, imho, the recovery partitions are useless and I just delete them. If you ever want to reinstall Windows, I think you're entitled to ask the vendor to ship you a proper OEM Windows installation CD, which will be better than the recovery partition. [This was the case last time I checked, though that was several years back.] The diagnostic utilities on the recovery partition are usually also available elsewhere. Should you ever need to send in your machine for service, and they say "we don't support Linux, so go away", the best approach is "my data is confidential; I am sending you the machine but I've taken out the disk". Service agents seem much happier with the latter. Best wishes, Richard From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 30 02:59:31 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:59:31 -0500 Subject: [ltp] Re: how to protect rescue partition before/when dualbooting? In-Reply-To: <87hb1mbb3w.fsf@pobox.com> References: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> <87hb1mbb3w.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4ED59C13.8010202@rogers.com> Tom Roche wrote: > James Knott Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:18:59 -0500 > >> > There should be a utility included to create a set of "Factory >> > Recovery Disks". >> > Hmm: I'm not seeing it in R&R 4.31 on W7. Where should I be looking? > > It's in the Levovo ThinkVantage Tools. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 30 03:28:00 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Jeffrey L. Taylor) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:28:00 -0600 Subject: [ltp] Re: how to protect rescue partition before/when dualbooting? In-Reply-To: <4ED5975D.6060602@richardneill.org> References: <87k46ibsvx.fsf@pobox.com> <87hb1mbb3w.fsf@pobox.com> <4ED5975D.6060602@richardneill.org> Message-ID: <20111130032800.GA2481@viajero.bearhouse.lan> Quoting Richard Neill : > > > On 30/11/11 02:25, Tom Roche wrote: > > > >Tom Roche Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:06 -0500 > >>>W510 shipped with Vista, vendor upgraded to W7, to be dualbooted. > >>>How to preserve the rescue partition, or at least its > >>>functionality, JIC something goes wrong? > > > > For what it's worth, I wouldn't do it this way. If you ever need to > use the rescue partition, it will completely obliterate your > existing installation, your data, and your Linux partition, > restoring it to exactly as it left the factory. So, imho, the > recovery partitions are useless and I just delete them. > > If you ever want to reinstall Windows, I think you're entitled to > ask the vendor to ship you a proper OEM Windows installation CD, > which will be better than the recovery partition. [This was the case > last time I checked, though that was several years back.] > My experience with earlier versions (circa a T41) is that the recovery partition will replace the first partition. The CDs of the same vintage replaced the contents of the whole harddisk. YMMV, check before doing something drastic. Jeffrey From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Nov 30 15:19:38 2011 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Yves-Alexis Perez) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:19:38 +0100 Subject: [ltp] Enable AMT on X220 tablet Message-ID: <1322666378.1932.55.camel@scapa> --=-HtuY0SQ7G734rnNRIdwH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, I own an X220 tablet (4298-W6M) and I'd like to enable Intel AMT on it, but I'm not completely sure of the procedure. On previous BIOS, Intel AMT option was present on the =E2=80=9CConfig=E2=80=9D part, but on the X22= 0t UEFI interface, there's no such thing in the Config tab. I'm pretty sure AMT is present but not completely (Intel 2520M has Vpro support, there's an =E2=80=9CIntel Management Engine=E2=80=9D configuration screen with basical= ly no option when I press Ctrl-P at boot and booting the W OS I managed to install the various drivers and even make an AMT firmware update).=20 In tabook.pdf I could see that all the listed x220t 4298 had Vpro, but W6M is not part of that list, so I'm not sure. Could someone with an X220 (or even T420, T520 etc.) with vpro check in its bios about the =E2=80=9CIntel AMT=E2=80=9D option in Config tab? Any ot= her idea on how to enable it? Regards, --=20 Yves-Alexis --=-HtuY0SQ7G734rnNRIdwH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABCAAGBQJO1kmKAAoJEDBVD3hx7wuoZYgP+wQYtojarf76p/FTgr7BZNWG 3KKCiWhcQL2QDlbxJzChXRFS2V+f2ruBjV1/KHwlTK6egwbDBq5RLspmA8fpWlPh 0ny9+Ra4/9qFFW7BYDPxJnu0ib4/ujF4fLPajDKFjzw2MySrZwwqgqZItvFQSFoT FxCQAAxMElpRHRaeHbWz38xhZji0KXoDl2l0mp1Atn4kyzhidfwYg0r8yxdDmGFE SyKW6a7UyRdDLNQRzh9l5jariaN8YtKuAU00yme2ErDKfLd/kHFaw2fo6vd13DOK at4e5UhM6nsDY2xX3lx958sFM20yPFbSe0CCzuWyIZJUcWC8s9Tjrli7Rad0yom4 v0jPamqxGFdIrkkJt0tP7ZEpAsDj8vCo+fthKfH6Yk6SLAqvbEk7R/r2t73+iXHV lnsn3zVobd2IglGu3jr5Am23ZJPnkw21WflfZktTR8/IzZNvC7mUDlo8Sq3yuBga ov3QsnFos9/tS/oX+VigIV7QlLfwRgbhA2ZYX8pOa+FagoGZcACZ1tZGts/jJOQA W06HhdGoSWuKimNdnekiAG7bqCkawPybNiV6n9PrwOjwBRzrx4UvF48xTlOKsUG4 YceFSZd0pz4TTqaTQH6y5eM3AtlbWCJ2CSN0B0/r5qu/W7eQAYvGKjqrWYRjuel/ 2crNR+CuCYlHEikM8Tgp =32wB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-HtuY0SQ7G734rnNRIdwH--