From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec  1 00:29:29 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dave Hylands)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:29:29 -0800
Subject: [ltp] USB ports
In-Reply-To: <50B92D99.3000506@post.tau.ac.il>
References: <CABi1daHZ7Ga+XCUHqd6f700Oc4h0-D8EOfqdt0g83roJJNs1bw@mail.gmail.com>
 <50B92D99.3000506@post.tau.ac.il>
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Hi Micha,


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:
>
> On 30/11/2012 16:49, Dave Hylands wrote:
>
> I have a W520 running ubuntu 12.04
>
> I normally have the laptop sitting in a dock
>
> This morning it updated the kernel to 3.2.0-34, and the USB port on the
left side of the laptop stopped working. The USB ports on the back of the
dock seem to work fine.
>
> And the USB on the back right corner of the laptop seems to be working
fine as well. Its just the two on the left side that seem to have stopped
working.
>
> Anybody have any ideas what might be going on here?
>
> I never got them to work properly on my laptop. They are USB 3 ports
while the ones on the back and right are usb 2. Whenever I connected a usb
3 drive to them the driver would lock up and required a reboot to start
working again.
>
> you can run dmesg right after connecting something to the ports and
submit the message in the logs to help analyze

So they were working fine prior to the kernel update,.

What I see in dmesg when I plug my device in:

[16709.071416] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: ERROR no room on ep ring
[16709.071419] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: ERR: No room for command on command
ring
[16709.071421] hub 3-0:1.0: couldn't allocate port 1 usb_device

I found this:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/187644/error-no-room-on-ep-ring-with-usb-3-0-devicewhich
suggests update to 3.4 may fix the problem.

--
Dave Hylands
Shuswap, BC, Canada
http://www.davehylands.com

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Hi Micha,<br><br><br>On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Micha Feigin &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:michf@post.tau.ac.il" target=3D"_blank">michf@post.tau.ac.il<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 30/11/2012 16:49, Dave Hylands wrote:<br>=
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have a W520 running ubuntu 12.04<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; I normally have the laptop sitting in a dock<br>&gt;<br>&gt; T=
his morning it updated the kernel to 3.2.0-34, and the USB port on the left=
 side of the laptop stopped working. The USB ports on the back of the dock =
seem to work fine.<br>

&gt;<br>&gt; And the USB on the back right corner of the laptop seems to be=
 working fine as well. Its just the two on the left side that seem to have =
stopped working.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Anybody have any ideas what might be going=
 on here?<br>

&gt;<br>&gt; I never got them to work properly on my laptop. They are USB 3=
 ports while the ones on the back and right are usb 2. Whenever I connected=
 a usb 3 drive to them the driver would lock up and required a reboot to st=
art working again.<br>

&gt;<br>&gt; you can run dmesg right after connecting something to the port=
s and submit the message in the logs to help analyze<br><br>So they were wo=
rking fine prior to the kernel update,.<br><br>What I see in dmesg when I p=
lug my device in:<br>

<br>[16709.071416] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: ERROR no room on ep ring<br>[1670=
9.071419] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: ERR: No room for command on command ring<b=
r>[16709.071421] hub 3-0:1.0: couldn&#39;t allocate port 1 usb_device<br>

<br>I found this: <a href=3D"http://askubuntu.com/questions/187644/error-no=
-room-on-ep-ring-with-usb-3-0-device" target=3D"_blank">http://askubuntu.co=
m/questions/187644/error-no-room-on-ep-ring-with-usb-3-0-device</a> which s=
uggests update to 3.4 may fix the problem.<br>

<br>--<br>Dave Hylands<br>Shuswap, BC, Canada<br><a href=3D"http://www.dave=
hylands.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.davehylands.com</a>

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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Dec  3 08:15:21 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (alfon)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:15:21 +0100
Subject: [ltp] battery balancing on T430s?
In-Reply-To: <87boejw7ll.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>
References: <87boejw7ll.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAOLOJ0xO1PoxUdRZYJDoZUfFaTu5r1yiDtSXEEXD_8YhzEU+3A@mail.gmail.com>

you may take a look at this: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/battwd.
It can works with several batteries (the only bad is that, at the
moment, it's alpha code).

On 27 November 2012 13:31, Tamas Papp <tkpapp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a T430s with an ultrabay battery, which is discharged before the
> main one.  I was hoping I could balance the discharge between batteries
> --- I found http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code/tp-bat-balance but
> it needs tp_smapi which is not supported on this machine (AFAIK).
>
> Is there a way to balance battery discharging on this model?  I would
> also be happy if I could manually select which battery is discharged.
>
> Best,
>
> Tamas
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Dec  3 12:49:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tamas Papp)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:49:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] battery balancing on T430s?
In-Reply-To: <CAOLOJ0xO1PoxUdRZYJDoZUfFaTu5r1yiDtSXEEXD_8YhzEU+3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87boejw7ll.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>,<CAOLOJ0xO1PoxUdRZYJDoZUfFaTu5r1yiDtSXEEXD_8YhzEU+3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87lidfwbaq.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>

Thanks.  Does this support selecting which battery to discharge on the
TP T430s?  How?  I can see that it can monitor the batteries, but for me
the problem is not monitoring but controlling the battery discharge.

The problem is that tp_smapi does not support this laptop yet, so there
is no /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/force_discharge etc.

On Mon, Dec 03 2012, alfon <alfon.gz@gmail.com> wrote:

> you may take a look at this: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/battwd.
> It can works with several batteries (the only bad is that, at the
> moment, it's alpha code).
>
> On 27 November 2012 13:31, Tamas Papp <tkpapp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a T430s with an ultrabay battery, which is discharged before the
>> main one.  I was hoping I could balance the discharge between batteries
>> --- I found http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code/tp-bat-balance but
>> it needs tp_smapi which is not supported on this machine (AFAIK).
>>
>> Is there a way to balance battery discharging on this model?  I would
>> also be happy if I could manually select which battery is discharged.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tamas
>> --
>> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
>> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Mon Dec  3 13:42:20 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (alfon)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:42:20 +0100
Subject: [ltp] battery balancing on T430s?
In-Reply-To: <87lidfwbaq.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>
References: <87boejw7ll.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>
 <CAOLOJ0xO1PoxUdRZYJDoZUfFaTu5r1yiDtSXEEXD_8YhzEU+3A@mail.gmail.com>
 <87lidfwbaq.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAOLOJ0yKgyZf6w5+D1n8ogkgAD_chHpo29D122C7wSgTRzVs8w@mail.gmail.com>

No, for now, only works if the battery is under /sys/device, /proc or
another filesystem... sorry.

On 3 December 2012 13:49, Tamas Papp <tkpapp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks.  Does this support selecting which battery to discharge on the
> TP T430s?  How?  I can see that it can monitor the batteries, but for me
> the problem is not monitoring but controlling the battery discharge.
>
> The problem is that tp_smapi does not support this laptop yet, so there
> is no /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/force_discharge etc.
>
> On Mon, Dec 03 2012, alfon <alfon.gz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> you may take a look at this: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/battwd.
>> It can works with several batteries (the only bad is that, at the
>> moment, it's alpha code).
>>
>> On 27 November 2012 13:31, Tamas Papp <tkpapp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a T430s with an ultrabay battery, which is discharged before the
>>> main one.  I was hoping I could balance the discharge between batteries
>>> --- I found http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code/tp-bat-balance but
>>> it needs tp_smapi which is not supported on this machine (AFAIK).
>>>
>>> Is there a way to balance battery discharging on this model?  I would
>>> also be happy if I could manually select which battery is discharged.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Tamas
>>> --
>>> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
>>> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 01:01:06 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tom Roche)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:01:06 -0800
Subject: [ltp] [W510] how to undo nouveau -> nvidia driver change in debian?
Message-ID: <877goyhbql.fsf@pobox.com>

I just installed the nvidia driver on a Thinkpad W510 via debian
packages--now the box will boot through GRUB, but now only shows a
blinking white cursor in the upper left corner of the screen after
showing the usual boot messages. How to restore my previous
configuration? Why I ask:

I'm trying to fix a W510 with (what seems to be a) power-management
problem. I'll post about that separately--suffice to say that I could
not turn down the screen brightness from maximum, and I was only getting
~2 hours battery life. Note the box is up-to-date with LMDE (a testing/
wheezy-based distro).

I googled about W510 power management. The best-looking link I could
find said that

http://math.umons.ac.be/an/W510/
> Nvidia Quadro FX 880M graphic card

> You have two options for the nvidia card.

The other was nouveau, which I know has the problem previously
mentioned.

> One is the NVidia proprietary driver that can be installed via their
> installer or using the Debian way (recommended).

I did it "the Debian way," i.e., using APT.

> For the latter, install nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source,
> nvidia-settings and module-assistant.

That worked with `aptitude`. The only error was, the package install
complained about not finding my kernel's header sources (LMDE is
currently running 3.2.0-3), so I installed the appropriate package=
linux-headers-*, and re-ran

sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-settings

(as module-assistant was already installed) with no errors.

> Then run [module-assistant], select the nvidia module, build and
> install it.

That worked with no errors. There was a message saying that nvidia was
incompatible with nouveau, and that I should reboot after install.

> Note that vbetool is incompatible with Nvidia GPU's; purge it from
> your system.

sudo aptitude remove vbetool

ran without errors.

> In order to control the [backlight], you need to add the following
> line in bold

> Section "Device"
>     Identifier      "FX 880M"
>     VendorName      "NVIDIA Corporation"
>     Driver          "nvidia"
*     Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1"
> EndSection

> /etc/X11/xorg.conf

That was a problem: /etc/X11/xorg.conf did not exist on that box. (My
other up-to-date LMDE box also lacks that file.) I skipped that edit,
hoping the nvidia install would supply the file.

> Also the kernel module thinkpad_acpi reports [the] wrong number of
> brightness levels which confuses power managers. To solve it, create a
> file /etc/modprobe.d/w510.conf with the line

>     options thinkpad_acpi brightness_enable=0

I created that file, with that line, and ...

> With xfce4-power-manager installed, you can issue

> /usr/sbin/xfpm-power-backlight-helper --get-max-brightness

> to query the number of levels detected. The current brightness level
> can be obtained/set by reading/writing to

> /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness

... I installed debian package=xfce4-power-manager, also without errors.

> Unfortunately, the later proprietary nvidia drivers (304.*) have
> problems, the most annoying one being the fact that suspend to RAM
> fails about every 10 times. To work around this issue, create a file,
> say, /etc/pm/config.d/suspend-workaround and add to it

>     SUSPEND_MODULES="$SUSPEND_MODULES nvidia"

I created that file, with that line.

I then did a cold boot: `sudo shutdown -Ph now` to power down, then hit
the power button to restart. It went to GRUB at a very low screen
brightness, which I was able to increase with Fn-Home. (That seemed like
a good sign :-) I then got the usual white-text-on-black-screen boot
messages, no errors. Then it failed to go graphical: I got only a
blinking white cursor in the upper left corner of the screen.

Worse: when I tried to go to a virtual terminal (via C-A-F1), I got the
usual login prompt only for a few seconds; then it switched back to the 
blinking cursor @ upper left! I got the same result for C-A-F2 through
C-A-F6.

Worse still: I got the same results booting to recovery mode on the
current kernel, as well as booting to previous kernels.

How to remove the nvidia driver? For that matter, how to get to a point
where I *can* remove the nvidia driver (given that I can't currently
even get to a terminal)? Ordinarily I would just reinstall, but this
week I'm traveling at a conference with my girlfriend, and I wanted her
to have a laptop with which to do travel/event planning. So now I'm
using the box that she was going to be using, because it's old/bad
battery has even worse life than the W510, and the rooms at the
conference which I'm attending have no accessible power outlets :-(

TIA, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@pobox.com>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 01:37:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tom Roche)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:37:17 -0800
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life: screen and lid
 issues
Message-ID: <874nk2ha2a.fsf@pobox.com>

Can I get advice on ways to improve a Thinkpad W510's battery life when
running debian? I'd especially like to improve its power management,
e.g.,

* allowing screen brightness control via Fn-Home/Fn-End

* making the close-lid event just turn off the screen, instead of
  sleeping the box (i.e., suspending to RAM)

I recently got a W510 on closeout (pretty good price). I installed LMDE
(a testing/wheezy-based distro), but am only getting slightly more than
2 hours use from a fully-charged battery. This is usually plenty, but
this week I'm traveling at a conference where the meeting rooms seem to
have no accessible power outlets :-(

One major problem seems to be screen power management: the screen is
always on full brightness, and cannot be reduced by Fn-End.

Another major problem is, closing the lid does not (solely) turn off the
screen: instead, it sleeps the box. This means I am sometimes forced to
keep the lid up and screen on when not necessary. Note I have made the
appropriate change in the gnome-power-manager UI, but the behavior of
the box does not change.

I thought I could fix at least the first problem by switching the video
driver from nouveau to nvidia proprietary, but that breaks boot, as
described here

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2012-December/051131.html

So I'd appreciate other suggestions (as well as advice regarding ways to
roll back the nvidia install!)

TIA, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@pobox.com>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 01:44:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:44:17 +0000
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life: screen
 and lid issues
In-Reply-To: <874nk2ha2a.fsf@pobox.com>
References: <874nk2ha2a.fsf@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <50BD5571.9020600@richardneill.org>

On 04/12/12 01:37, Tom Roche wrote:
>
> Another major problem is, closing the lid does not (solely) turn off the
> screen: instead, it sleeps the box. This means I am sometimes forced to
> keep the lid up and screen on when not necessary. Note I have made the
> appropriate change in the gnome-power-manager UI, but the behavior of
> the box does not change.

I think this may be a BIOS setting. Otherwise, see if you can intercept 
the ACPI event from the lid-close switch and change what it does. 
Usually, there are some shell-scripts that control which Acpi event does 
what.

IIRC, its:

Lid-close switch -> BIOS -> NVRAM -> ACPI -> Event detected -> Decide on 
action -> Suspend (shell-script) -> Kernel -> ACPI -> BIOS -> sleep.


HTH,

Richard


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 02:27:47 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tom Roche)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 18:27:47 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: [W510] how to undo nouveau -> nvidia driver change in debian?
In-Reply-To: <877goyhbql.fsf@pobox.com>
References: <877goyhbql.fsf@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <87y5heh7q4.fsf@pobox.com>

more data from new development:

Tom Roche Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:01:06 -0800
> I just installed the nvidia driver on a Thinkpad W510 via debian
> packages--now the box will boot through GRUB, but now only shows a
> blinking white cursor in the upper left corner of the screen after
> showing the usual boot messages. How to restore my previous
> configuration?

...


> [After cold boot,] it failed to go graphical: I got only a blinking
> white cursor in the upper left corner of the screen.

> Worse: when I tried to go to a virtual terminal (via C-A-F1), I got
> the usual login prompt only for a few seconds; then it switched back
> to the blinking cursor @ upper left! I got the same result for
> C-A-F2 through C-A-F6.

> Worse still: I got the same results booting to recovery mode on the
> current kernel, as well as booting to previous kernels.

After some thought, I realized that I had only tried rebooting to 3.x
kernels. So I cold-booted and chose kernel=2.6.39-2 from GRUB: now it
boots and goes graphical, but only to GNOME 2. After login, I get a
dialog saying

> GNOME 3 failed to load

> GNOME 3 failed to start properly and started in the fallback mode

Note I also get

$ lsb_release -ds
Linux Mint Debian Edition
$ cat /etc/debian_version 
wheezy/sid
$ uname -rv
2.6.39-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 5 02:51:22 UTC 2011
$ inxi -Gx
Graphics:  Card NVIDIA GT216 [Quadro FX 880M] X.Org 1.12.1.902 Res: 1600x900@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer N/A GLX Version N/A Direct Rendering N/A
$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[    26.073] 
X.Org X Server 1.12.1.902 (1.12.2 RC 2)
Release Date: 2012-05-19
[    26.073] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[    26.073] Build Operating System: Linux 3.2.0-2-amd64 x86_64 Debian
[    26.073] Current Operating System: Linux tlrw510 2.6.39-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 5 02:51:22 UTC 2011 x86_64

...

[    27.582] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau"
[    27.603] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[    27.629] (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    27.629] 	compiled for 1.12.1, module version = 0.0.16
[    27.629] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    27.629] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0

...

So what should I do to enable it to boot 3.x kernels with GNOME >= 3?
And then to fix the {battery life, power management} problem (detailed @

http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2012-December/051132.html

) that got me here in the first place ...

TIA, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@pobox.com>

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 12:03:32 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 14:03:32 +0200
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life:
 screen and lid issues
In-Reply-To: <874nk2ha2a.fsf@pobox.com>
References: <874nk2ha2a.fsf@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20121204120332.GA31749@platonas>

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On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 05:37:17PM -0800, Tom Roche wrote:
> Can I get advice on ways to improve a Thinkpad W510's battery life when
> running debian?

Have you tried powertop?

>I'd especially like to improve its power management,
> e.g.,
>=20
> * allowing screen brightness control via Fn-Home/Fn-End

I'd say this is worth reporting as a bug, if you can figure out which
component is dropping the ball.

What's your desktop environment?

> * making the close-lid event just turn off the screen, instead of
>   sleeping the box (i.e., suspending to RAM)
>=20
> I recently got a W510 on closeout (pretty good price). I installed LMDE
> (a testing/wheezy-based distro), but am only getting slightly more than
> 2 hours use from a fully-charged battery. This is usually plenty, but
> this week I'm traveling at a conference where the meeting rooms seem to
> have no accessible power outlets :-(
>=20
> One major problem seems to be screen power management: the screen is
> always on full brightness, and cannot be reduced by Fn-End.

One of the many possible ways of changing screen brightness is to adjust
the 'brightness' property via xrandr.  (Name of the property may depend
on your video driver -- mine's intel).

There's also xbacklight.

And some magic files in /proc or /sys that probably shouldn't be
touched.

And the screen brightness applet in GNOME System Preferences.

> Another major problem is, closing the lid does not (solely) turn off the
> screen: instead, it sleeps the box. This means I am sometimes forced to
> keep the lid up and screen on when not necessary. Note I have made the
> appropriate change in the gnome-power-manager UI, but the behavior of
> the box does not change.

For the record, in recent GNOME versions gnome-power-manager is no
longer used; power management is handled by gnome-settings-daemon's
power plugin.

It's possible that the two keep their configuration in different places.

  $ gsettings list-recursively|grep lid
  org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-ac-action 'nothing'
  org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-battery-action 'nothing'

works for me (GNOME 3.6, Ubuntu 12.10).

> I thought I could fix at least the first problem by switching the video
> driver from nouveau to nvidia proprietary, but that breaks boot, as
> described here
>=20
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2012-December/=
051131.html
>=20
> So I'd appreciate other suggestions (as well as advice regarding ways to
> roll back the nvidia install!)

I see that rescue mode doesn't help.  And init=3D/bin/bash is problematic
when you've got an initramfs.  Can you boot from a LiveCD, mount your
filesystem, chroot, then uninstall the nvidia packages?  You may also
need to manually mount /proc and /sys inside the chroot if
uninstallation of any of those packages triggers update-initramfs.

(I avoid laptops with NVidia graphics for a reason.)

Marius Gedminas
--=20
Favorite MAC error message: "Not enough memory to eject disk!"

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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 07:11:50 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Christophe TROESTLER)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:11:50 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: [W510] how to undo nouveau -> nvidia driver change in debian?
In-Reply-To: <87y5heh7q4.fsf@pobox.com>
References: <877goyhbql.fsf@pobox.com>
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Message-ID: <20121204.081150.985795816340169934.Christophe.Troestler@umons.ac.be>

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:27:47 -0800, Tom Roche wrote:
> 
> [    27.582] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau"
> [    27.603] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
> [    27.629] (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> [    27.629] 	compiled for 1.12.1, module version = 0.0.16
> [    27.629] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> [    27.629] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0

I just skimmed through your mail and, in a nutshell, you cannot load
the nouveau driver and expect nvidia to work.  You have to blacklist
nouveau.  Have a look here http://math.umons.ac.be/an/W510/#nvidia for
some instructions (they are not complete, you are welcome to send a
patch).

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Tue Dec  4 15:40:24 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Petter Hansen)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:40:24 +0100
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life: screen
 and lid issues
In-Reply-To: <20121204120332.GA31749@platonas>
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Den 04. des. 2012 13:03, skrev Marius Gedminas:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 05:37:17PM -0800, Tom Roche wrote:
>> Can I get advice on ways to improve a Thinkpad W510's battery life when
>> running debian?
Have you tried the Intel HD Graphics in processor instead of Nvidia?
You vil probably get 100% more battery life. In my t520 i only use the 
intel graphics. That give me up to 10 hours on battery. With the nvidia 
graphics i get around 4 hours.
You also have to use 3.0 > kernel.
> Have you tried powertop?
>
>> I'd especially like to improve its power management,
>> e.g.,
>>
>> * allowing screen brightness control via Fn-Home/Fn-End
> I'd say this is worth reporting as a bug, if you can figure out which
> component is dropping the ball.
>
> What's your desktop environment?
>
>> * making the close-lid event just turn off the screen, instead of
>>    sleeping the box (i.e., suspending to RAM)
>>
>> I recently got a W510 on closeout (pretty good price). I installed LMDE
>> (a testing/wheezy-based distro), but am only getting slightly more than
>> 2 hours use from a fully-charged battery. This is usually plenty, but
>> this week I'm traveling at a conference where the meeting rooms seem to
>> have no accessible power outlets :-(
>>
>> One major problem seems to be screen power management: the screen is
>> always on full brightness, and cannot be reduced by Fn-End.
> One of the many possible ways of changing screen brightness is to adjust
> the 'brightness' property via xrandr.  (Name of the property may depend
> on your video driver -- mine's intel).
>
> There's also xbacklight.
>
> And some magic files in /proc or /sys that probably shouldn't be
> touched.
>
> And the screen brightness applet in GNOME System Preferences.
>
>> Another major problem is, closing the lid does not (solely) turn off the
>> screen: instead, it sleeps the box. This means I am sometimes forced to
>> keep the lid up and screen on when not necessary. Note I have made the
>> appropriate change in the gnome-power-manager UI, but the behavior of
>> the box does not change.
> For the record, in recent GNOME versions gnome-power-manager is no
> longer used; power management is handled by gnome-settings-daemon's
> power plugin.
>
> It's possible that the two keep their configuration in different places.
>
>    $ gsettings list-recursively|grep lid
>    org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-ac-action 'nothing'
>    org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-battery-action 'nothing'
>
> works for me (GNOME 3.6, Ubuntu 12.10).
>
>> I thought I could fix at least the first problem by switching the video
>> driver from nouveau to nvidia proprietary, but that breaks boot, as
>> described here
>>
>> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2012-December/051131.html
>>
>> So I'd appreciate other suggestions (as well as advice regarding ways to
>> roll back the nvidia install!)
> I see that rescue mode doesn't help.  And init=/bin/bash is problematic
> when you've got an initramfs.  Can you boot from a LiveCD, mount your
> filesystem, chroot, then uninstall the nvidia packages?  You may also
> need to manually mount /proc and /sys inside the chroot if
> uninstallation of any of those packages triggers update-initramfs.
>
> (I avoid laptops with NVidia graphics for a reason.)
>
> Marius Gedminas


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Den 04. des. 2012 13:03, skrev Marius
      Gedminas:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:20121204120332.GA31749@platonas" type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 05:37:17PM -0800, Tom Roche wrote:
</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">Can I get advice on ways to improve a Thinkpad W510's battery life when
running debian?</pre>
      </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
    Have you tried the Intel HD Graphics in processor instead of Nvidia?<br>
    You vil probably get 100% more battery life. In my t520 i only use
    the intel graphics. That give me up to 10 hours on battery. With the
    nvidia graphics i get around 4 hours.<br>
    You also have to use 3.0 &gt; kernel.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:20121204120332.GA31749@platonas" type="cite">
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
Have you tried powertop?

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">I'd especially like to improve its power management,
e.g.,

* allowing screen brightness control via Fn-Home/Fn-End
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
I'd say this is worth reporting as a bug, if you can figure out which
component is dropping the ball.

What's your desktop environment?

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">* making the close-lid event just turn off the screen, instead of
  sleeping the box (i.e., suspending to RAM)

I recently got a W510 on closeout (pretty good price). I installed LMDE
(a testing/wheezy-based distro), but am only getting slightly more than
2 hours use from a fully-charged battery. This is usually plenty, but
this week I'm traveling at a conference where the meeting rooms seem to
have no accessible power outlets :-(

One major problem seems to be screen power management: the screen is
always on full brightness, and cannot be reduced by Fn-End.
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
One of the many possible ways of changing screen brightness is to adjust
the 'brightness' property via xrandr.  (Name of the property may depend
on your video driver -- mine's intel).

There's also xbacklight.

And some magic files in /proc or /sys that probably shouldn't be
touched.

And the screen brightness applet in GNOME System Preferences.

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">Another major problem is, closing the lid does not (solely) turn off the
screen: instead, it sleeps the box. This means I am sometimes forced to
keep the lid up and screen on when not necessary. Note I have made the
appropriate change in the gnome-power-manager UI, but the behavior of
the box does not change.
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
For the record, in recent GNOME versions gnome-power-manager is no
longer used; power management is handled by gnome-settings-daemon's
power plugin.

It's possible that the two keep their configuration in different places.

  $ gsettings list-recursively|grep lid
  org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-ac-action 'nothing'
  org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-battery-action 'nothing'

works for me (GNOME 3.6, Ubuntu 12.10).

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">I thought I could fix at least the first problem by switching the video
driver from nouveau to nvidia proprietary, but that breaks boot, as
described here

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2012-December/051131.html">http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2012-December/051131.html</a>

So I'd appreciate other suggestions (as well as advice regarding ways to
roll back the nvidia install!)
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
I see that rescue mode doesn't help.  And init=/bin/bash is problematic
when you've got an initramfs.  Can you boot from a LiveCD, mount your
filesystem, chroot, then uninstall the nvidia packages?  You may also
need to manually mount /proc and /sys inside the chroot if
uninstallation of any of those packages triggers update-initramfs.

(I avoid laptops with NVidia graphics for a reason.)

Marius Gedminas
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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Dec  5 13:36:10 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 05:36:10 -0800
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life
In-Reply-To: <20121205110100.B34A534066@parabel.matrix.de>
References: <20121205110100.B34A534066@parabel.matrix.de>
Message-ID: <7dc78deaecb75a687f877a869afde85e.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>

> Have you tried the Intel HD Graphics in processor instead of Nvidia?
> You vil probably get 100% more battery life. In my t520 i only use the
> intel graphics. That give me up to 10 hours on battery. With the nvidia
> graphics i get around 4 hours.

I would like to try this, but I haven't the experience with
installing/configuring video drivers that most of you appear to have ...

Can someone point me to a post or tutorial which can lead me through the
procedure of installing and configuring the Intel HD Graphics drivers? I
don't even know the commands to show me which drivers are installed. I ha=
d
no idea that was possible for this laptop. I definitely only get about
4-hours battery time.

I'm running Debian (Wheezy), kernel 3.2, on a T520 (4239). I use i3 as a
wm (not Gnome)

Thanks,
Keith Ostertag


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Dec  5 16:53:08 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Petter Hansen)
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:53:08 +0100
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life
In-Reply-To: <7dc78deaecb75a687f877a869afde85e.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <20121205110100.B34A534066@parabel.matrix.de> <7dc78deaecb75a687f877a869afde85e.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <50BF7BF4.1090002@rlug.net>

Den 05. des. 2012 14:36, skrev keitho@strucktower.com:
>> Have you tried the Intel HD Graphics in processor instead of Nvidia?
>> You vil probably get 100% more battery life. In my t520 i only use the
>> intel graphics. That give me up to 10 hours on battery. With the nvidia
>> graphics i get around 4 hours.
> I would like to try this, but I haven't the experience with
> installing/configuring video drivers that most of you appear to have ...
>
> Can someone point me to a post or tutorial which can lead me through the
> procedure of installing and configuring the Intel HD Graphics drivers? I
> don't even know the commands to show me which drivers are installed. I had
> no idea that was possible for this laptop. I definitely only get about
> 4-hours battery time.
You have to get in to bios at start up (press F1) and probably go to 
config>display>Graphics device> and change graphics to "integrated"
Press F10 and ok to change bios setting.
Reboot and you are done.
> I'm running Debian (Wheezy), kernel 3.2, on a T520 (4239). I use i3 as a
> wm (not Gnome)
>
> Thanks,
> Keith Ostertag
>


-- 
Petter Hansen
Enter SU to get rootly powers.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec  6 10:42:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:42:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life
In-Reply-To: <7dc78deaecb75a687f877a869afde85e.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <20121205110100.B34A534066@parabel.matrix.de>
 <7dc78deaecb75a687f877a869afde85e.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <20121206104217.GA22627@mac.home>

On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 05:36:10 -0800, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:

[...]

> I'm running Debian (Wheezy), kernel 3.2, on a T520 (4239). I use i3 as a
> wm (not Gnome)

This should support Intel HD graphics OOTB, at least first and second
generation Core i3. The bigger problem might be that the nvidia driver
replaces the GL libraries with custom ones. I don't know if these
custom libraries work with other drivers than the nvidia one.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec  6 16:03:10 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:10 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life
In-Reply-To: <20121206110101.3D0F634083@parabel.matrix.de>
References: <20121206110101.3D0F634083@parabel.matrix.de>
Message-ID: <728eed7d7bcb150664e7fbf1fa597e52.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>

> You have to get in to bios at start up (press F1) and probably go to
> config>display>Graphics device> and change graphics to "integrated"
> Press F10 and ok to change bios setting.
> Reboot and you are done.

Well, after looking, evidently I only have Intel graphics on this machine=
...

The only option under config>display>Graphics device> is Boot Display
Device (Thinkpad LCD chosen).

lshw reports:  *-display
             description: VGA compatible controller
             product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated
Graphics Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
             version: 09
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
             configuration: driver=3Di915 latency=3D0
             resources: irq:44 memory:f0000000-f03fffff
memory:e0000000-efffffff ioport:4000(size=3D64)

Not sure what else to check.

So, why am I only getting 4 hours battery time? Really, until you
mentioned gettting 10 hours I thought it was "normal" to get only four
hours. I had tried playing around with powertop a year ago or so, with no
apparent improvements.

Using the Lenovo 55+ battery (5.2Ah 57Wh).

Thanks,
Keith Ostertag


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec  7 03:00:45 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rubin Abdi)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:00:45 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Story time.
Message-ID: <50C15BDD.9030802@starset.net>

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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec  7 08:46:03 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:46:03 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life
In-Reply-To: <728eed7d7bcb150664e7fbf1fa597e52.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <20121206110101.3D0F634083@parabel.matrix.de>
 <728eed7d7bcb150664e7fbf1fa597e52.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <20121207084603.GA26971@mac.home>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 08:03:10 -0800, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:

[...]

> So, why am I only getting 4 hours battery time? Really, until you
> mentioned gettting 10 hours I thought it was "normal" to get only four
> hours. I had tried playing around with powertop a year ago or so, with no
> apparent improvements.
> 
> Using the Lenovo 55+ battery (5.2Ah 57Wh).

4 hours with 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec  7 09:00:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tino Keitel)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:00:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: [W510] decreasing power use, increasing battery life
In-Reply-To: <728eed7d7bcb150664e7fbf1fa597e52.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <20121206110101.3D0F634083@parabel.matrix.de>
 <728eed7d7bcb150664e7fbf1fa597e52.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <20121207090017.GB26971@mac.home>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 08:03:10 -0800, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:

[...]

> So, why am I only getting 4 hours battery time? Really, until you
> mentioned gettting 10 hours I thought it was "normal" to get only four
> hours. I had tried playing around with powertop a year ago or so, with no
> apparent improvements.
> 
> Using the Lenovo 55+ battery (5.2Ah 57Wh).

4 hours with a laptop like the W510 sounds reasonable, given that you
use the display at full brightness. Using xbacklight to reduce the
display brightness should give much more battery runtime. Other hints
to enhance the battery runtime:

- set the SATA ports to powersave, also the unused ones
  (/sys/class/scsi_host/host*/link_power_management_policy)

- make sure that rc6 power saving in the intel graphics driver is
  enabled (boot with i915.i915_enable_rc6=1), you can check if it is
  already used by looking into
  /sys/module/i915/parameters/i915_enable_rc6

- make sure that PCIe power saving is enabled (boot with
 pcie_aspm=force)

- enable wireless powersaving, if possible (this differs between
  drivers, so I can't help here)

- disable bluetooth, unless you really need it

- enable powersaving in the audio driver
  (/sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save)
- make sure general powersaving in the intel graphics driver is enabled
  (/sys/module/i915/parameters should be set to 1)

- make sure the ondemand CPU scaling governor is used on all cores
  (grep "" /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor)

Some of the above should be covered by powertop. You might check all
the "tunables" listed in powertop to see if they gain any battery
runtime. However, you have to find out yourself what to do to make
these settings permanent. AFAIK powertop doesn't help to see what it
does to toggle the tuneables.

Regards,
Tino

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec  7 20:25:28 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dmitry E. Mikhailov)
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:25:28 +0600
Subject: [ltp] Thinkpad T61p + CentOS/RHEL 6 + nvidia proprietary = hibernation
 resume time?
Message-ID: <1354911928.20282.155.camel@ibm2>

Hi,

If there are any Thinkpad T61p owners here running CentOS (RedHat
Enterprise Linux, Oracle Unbrakable Linux) version 6 x86_64 with NVidia
proprietary video driver,

I have a question.

How much does it take to resume from hibernation on your system?

I got the following. The resume process (from the SSD) takes about three
minutes and there are three beeps during the process. Am I alone?

Best regards,
	Dmitry Mikhailov.


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec  7 20:53:20 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:53:20 +0000
Subject: [ltp] Thinkpad T61p + CentOS/RHEL 6 + nvidia proprietary = hibernation
 resume time?
In-Reply-To: <1354911928.20282.155.camel@ibm2>
References: <1354911928.20282.155.camel@ibm2>
Message-ID: <50C25740.9050406@richardneill.org>

> If there are any Thinkpad T61p owners here running CentOS (RedHat
> Enterprise Linux, Oracle Unbrakable Linux) version 6 x86_64 with NVidia
> proprietary video driver,
>
> I have a question.
>
> How much does it take to resume from hibernation on your system?
>
> I got the following. The resume process (from the SSD) takes about three
> minutes and there are three beeps during the process. Am I alone?
>
> Best regards,
> 	Dmitry Mikhailov.


That seems rather a long time - does dmesg say anything interesting?
BUT, resume from hibernate (suspend to disk) always takes quite a while, 
often longer than a reboot.

Why not use suspend to RAM (which is much faster, and still gives you > 
3 days - or the hybrid mode (suspend to disk, then suspend to RAM; 
resume from RAM if possible; resume from disk otherwise)?

Btw, which kernel version are you using?

Richard



From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec  8 04:08:36 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Mark Wotton)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 15:08:36 +1100
Subject: [ltp] problems with slice battery & Ubuntu
Message-ID: <CAHfTQEi6ah_d5UuiqWJs_rWk=cEbjBWrj+0BfN9Ap+DwbWn=sg@mail.gmail.com>

G'day all,

I'm having a bit of a trouble getting my slice battery to work. It's
worked in the past, but not recently: I suspect I may have drained it
down to zero. The problem is that it won't charge now.


rhino =E2=9E=9C  ~  cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info
present:                 yes
design capacity:         56160 mWh
last full capacity:      50880 mWh
battery technology:      rechargeable
design voltage:          10800 mV
design capacity warning: 2544 mWh
design capacity low:     200 mWh
cycle count:  0
capacity granularity 1:  1 mWh
capacity granularity 2:  1 mWh
model number:            42T4793
serial number:           17815
battery type:            LION
OEM info:                Panasonic
rhino =E2=9E=9C  ~  cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info
present:                 yes
design capacity:         unknown
last full capacity:      unknown
battery technology:      rechargeable
design voltage:          10800 mV
design capacity warning: 0 mWh
design capacity low:     0 mWh
cycle count:  0
capacity granularity 1:  1 mWh
capacity granularity 2:  1 mWh
model number:
serial number:
battery type:
OEM info:

and, confusingly:

rhino =E2=9E=9C  ~  acpi
Battery 0: Unknown, 0%
Battery 1: Charging, 86%, 00:19:06 until charged

I am getting these odd messages in /var/log/syslog:

Dec  8 14:15:53 rhino kernel: [191707.237114] ACPI: Deprecated procfs
I/F for battery is loaded, please retry with CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER
cleared


running Ubuntu 12.04 on a t410 - would very much appreciate any
insight into debugging tactics.

cheers
Mark


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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Wed Dec 12 22:14:48 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Jason Wilson)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:48 +1000
Subject: [ltp] Special keys no longer working on Thinkpad Edge 13"
Message-ID: <50C901D8.3040201@kylesfamily.com>

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All,

Running Fedora 16 on my Thinkpad Edge 13" and things have been working
very well for a year or so.

Sometime in the past month some type of package update has caused almost
all of the special function keys to stop working.

I have tried downgrades of the kernel to try and work out at what point
things stopped, but without success.

The next thing I have tried is loading the thinkpad_acpi with debugging
enabled - the messages are included below.

Am now at a loss as to what else I can do to debug this issue. The media
play (Fn+F11) and 'forward' (Fn+F12) keys at least send events through,
all the others do nothing. In addition closing the lid no longer
suspends the machine, and the power applet in Fedora 16 no longer
reports whether the battery is running off mains or is discharging.

What can be done to see why the keys are not reporting anything? All
problems started at the same time so I think it is all related to a
single change.

Happy to provide whatever additional details might be useful to help
diagnosing what is going on.

Thanks in advance,
    Jason

Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839713] thinkpad_acpi: ThinkPad
ACPI Extras v0.24
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839716] thinkpad_acpi:
http://ibm-acpi.sf.net/
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839720] thinkpad_acpi: ThinkPad
BIOS 84ET23WW (1.07 ), EC 84HT19WW-1.165000
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839725] thinkpad_acpi: Lenovo
ThinkPad Edge, model 02173DM
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.840568] thinkpad_acpi: detected a
8-level brightness capable ThinkPad
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.841909] thinkpad_acpi: radio
switch found; radios are enabled
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.841948] thinkpad_acpi: possible
tablet mode switch found; ThinkPad in laptop mode
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.841999] thinkpad_acpi: This
ThinkPad has standard ACPI backlight brightness control, supported by
the ACPI video driver
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.842003] thinkpad_acpi: Disabling
thinkpad-acpi brightness events by default...
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.845386] thinkpad_acpi: asked for
hotkey mask 0x04000070, but firmware forced it to 0x00000070
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.858802] thinkpad_acpi: rfkill
switch tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: radio is unblocked
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3380.371387] thinkpad_acpi: Standard
ACPI backlight interface available, not loading native one
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3380.372433] thinkpad_acpi: Console
audio control enabled, mode: monitor (read only)
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3380.377888] input: ThinkPad Extra
Buttons as /devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input11
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia pulseaudio[1870]: module-alsa-card.c: Failed to
find a working profile.
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia pulseaudio[1870]: module.c: Failed to load
module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="29"
name="platform-thinkpad_acpi" card_name="alsa_card.platform-thinkpad_a
cpi" tsched=yes ignore_dB=no
card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1""): initialization failed.


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Running Fedora 16 on my Thinkpad Edge 13" and things have been working 
very well for a year or so.

Sometime in the past month some type of package update has caused almost 
all of the special function keys to stop working.

I have tried downgrades of the kernel to try and work out at what point 
things stopped, but without success.

The next thing I have tried is loading the thinkpad_acpi with debugging 
enabled - the messages are included below.

Am now at a loss as to what else I can do to debug this issue. The media 
play (Fn+F11) and 'forward' (Fn+F12) keys at least send events through, 
all the others do nothing. In addition closing the lid no longer 
suspends the machine, and the power applet in Fedora 16 no longer 
reports whether the battery is running off mains or is discharging.

What can be done to see why the keys are not reporting anything? All 
problems started at the same time so I think it is all related to a 
single change.

Happy to provide whatever additional details might be useful to help 
diagnosing what is going on.

Thanks in advance,
   Jason

Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839713] thinkpad_acpi: ThinkPad 
ACPI Extras v0.24
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839716] thinkpad_acpi: 
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ibm-acpi.sf.net/">http://ibm-acpi.sf.net/</a>
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839720] thinkpad_acpi: ThinkPad 
BIOS 84ET23WW (1.07 ), EC 84HT19WW-1.165000
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.839725] thinkpad_acpi: Lenovo 
ThinkPad Edge, model 02173DM
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.840568] thinkpad_acpi: detected a 
8-level brightness capable ThinkPad
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.841909] thinkpad_acpi: radio 
switch found; radios are enabled
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.841948] thinkpad_acpi: possible 
tablet mode switch found; ThinkPad in laptop mode
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.841999] thinkpad_acpi: This 
ThinkPad has standard ACPI backlight brightness control, supported by 
the ACPI video driver
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.842003] thinkpad_acpi: Disabling 
thinkpad-acpi brightness events by default...
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.845386] thinkpad_acpi: asked for 
hotkey mask 0x04000070, but firmware forced it to 0x00000070
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3379.858802] thinkpad_acpi: rfkill 
switch tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: radio is unblocked
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3380.371387] thinkpad_acpi: Standard 
ACPI backlight interface available, not loading native one
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3380.372433] thinkpad_acpi: Console 
audio control enabled, mode: monitor (read only)
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia kernel: [ 3380.377888] input: ThinkPad Extra 
Buttons as /devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input11
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia pulseaudio[1870]: module-alsa-card.c: Failed to 
find a working profile.
Dec 12 21:35:26 hypatia pulseaudio[1870]: module.c: Failed to load 
module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="29" 
name="platform-thinkpad_acpi" card_name="alsa_card.platform-thinkpad_a
cpi" tsched=yes ignore_dB=no 
card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1""): initialization failed.


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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 13 01:03:45 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Paul Sladen)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:03:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ltp] problems with slice battery & Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAHfTQEi6ah_d5UuiqWJs_rWk=cEbjBWrj+0BfN9Ap+DwbWn=sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.1212130100030.7774-100000@starsky.19inch.net>

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012, Mark Wotton wrote:
> I'm having a bit of a trouble getting my slice battery to work.

What do the LEDs on the slice battery show?

The slice battery on my X220T broke after about 3 months, not because
of the cells, but because of the controller refusing to charge it.
Lenovo eventually sent me another one.

(nb. Don't worry about what you see from LInux;  The battery will
either work, or will not work, and do so regardless of the OS).

	-Paul


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 13 10:42:00 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Julien Iguchi-Cartigny)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:42:00 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
Message-ID: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm trying to understand why my T500 is overheating since Ubuntu 11.10.
I've wrote a wiki entry about in thinkwiki:

<http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_Overheating_then_reboot_since_Ubuntu_11.10>

Does someone has experienced similar problem or have a clue about it ?

This bug seems to bother a lot of people:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/751689

Regards.

Julien

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 13 10:36:32 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Philipp Kern)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:36:32 +0100
Subject: [ltp] problems with slice battery & Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.1212130100030.7774-100000@starsky.19inch.net>
References: <CAHfTQEi6ah_d5UuiqWJs_rWk=cEbjBWrj+0BfN9Ap+DwbWn=sg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 01:03:45AM +0000, Paul Sladen wrote:
> What do the LEDs on the slice battery show?

Mine for instance doesn't have such a thing.

> The slice battery on my X220T broke after about 3 months, not because
> of the cells, but because of the controller refusing to charge it.
> Lenovo eventually sent me another one.

As another data point: My T420 slice battery broke after six months of
use. (Granted, it was manufactured in October 2011 and I bought it end
of June.)

Failure state was "Error detected" on Windows and all counters zero
on Linux. Lenovo replaced it without trouble.

However what was puzzling: The error happened so quickly that the
laptop turned off despite having a charged primary battery in it.
So you don't really have a UPS if one of the batteries break (i.e. no
redundancy.)

Kind regards
Philipp Kern

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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 13 11:28:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Paul Seelig)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:28:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C9BBD1.1050603@rumbero.es>

Even if this is solely happening with Ubuntu, this is still a rather
broad target. Your below mentioned thinkwiki article not even mentions
whether it is the 32bit or the 64bit version, which desktop release,
etc. Not very useful for serious debugging.

May i take it for granted that your machine runs the latest BIOS from
Lenovo? This would be the first place to look at, IMHO.

Have you ever tried with some other distribution? Does the same happen
with them as well?

I am very happy with Debian testing/unstable and wouldn't touch Ubuntu
even with a three meter pole since their introduction of these strange
desktop defaults. There is (and always was) a whole world of Linux
besides all these variations of Ubuntu. ;)

Cheers,
Paul

On 12/13/2012 11:42 AM, Julien Iguchi-Cartigny wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to understand why my T500 is overheating since Ubuntu 11.10.
> I've wrote a wiki entry about in thinkwiki:
> 
> <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_Overheating_then_reboot_since_Ubuntu_11.10>
> 
> Does someone has experienced similar problem or have a clue about it ?
> 
> This bug seems to bother a lot of people:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/751689
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Julien
> 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 14 00:10:04 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:10:04 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012, Julien Iguchi-Cartigny wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to understand why my T500 is overheating since Ubuntu 11.10.
> I've wrote a wiki entry about in thinkwiki:
> 
> <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_Overheating_then_reboot_since_Ubuntu_11.10>
> 
> Does someone has experienced similar problem or have a clue about it ?

1. Do not enable fan control on thinkpad-acpi, I default it to disabled and
require an explicit module parameter to even alow it for a damn good reason.

In that situation (you remove the module parameter that lets thinkpad-acpi
do fan control, *power off*, and power on again), does the bug still happen?

If it does, the thinkpad is defective, and needs to be repaired.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 14 09:44:05 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Julien Iguchi-Cartigny)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:44:05 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <50C9BBD1.1050603@rumbero.es>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com> <50C9BBD1.1050603@rumbero.es>
Message-ID: <50CAF4E5.5050700@gmail.com>

Hello,

On 12/13/2012 12:28 PM, Paul Seelig wrote:
> Even if this is solely happening with Ubuntu, this is still a rather
> broad target. Your below mentioned thinkwiki article not even mentions
> whether it is the 32bit or the 64bit version, which desktop release,
> etc. Not very useful for serious debugging.
I've updated the wiki page with these informations: latest version of
the bios, tested with ubuntu 32 bits and ArchLinux
> May i take it for granted that your machine runs the latest BIOS from
> Lenovo? This would be the first place to look at, IMHO.
Latest version of the bios
> Have you ever tried with some other distribution? Does the same happen
> with them as well?
Ubuntu 11.10 32 bits, Ubuntu 12.04 32 bits, ArchLinux

My Lenovo experience has been the best with Linux until this bug
happened. What is really surprising me is the change happen with a new
kernel, and this is why I believe it is related to thinkpad-acpi.
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
Cheers,

Julien

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 14 09:47:24 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Julien Iguchi-Cartigny)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:47:24 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com> <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <50CAF5AC.8090005@gmail.com>

On 12/14/2012 01:10 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2012, Julien Iguchi-Cartigny wrote:
>> I'm trying to understand why my T500 is overheating since Ubuntu 11.10.
>> I've wrote a wiki entry about in thinkwiki:
>>
>> <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_Overheating_then_reboot_since_Ubuntu_11.10>
>>
>> Does someone has experienced similar problem or have a clue about it ?
> 1. Do not enable fan control on thinkpad-acpi, I default it to disabled and
> require an explicit module parameter to even alow it for a damn good reason.
>
> In that situation (you remove the module parameter that lets thinkpad-acpi
> do fan control, *power off*, and power on again), does the bug still happen?
Yes, my disabling fan fix is only for setting max speed to the fan to
see if the problem is just a bad fan policy. In this case, it is not:
the computer overheats even if fan is at max. The only way to avoid
sudden rebooting is to unplug the computer from the power source and
only work on battery.
> If it does, the thinkpad is defective, and needs to be repaired.
I think the best way to show that it is not a hardware problem but a bug
in the kernel is to resinstall ubuntu (or wahtever distribution) with
kernel < 3.0. If the computer does not overheat this is a kernel bug.

Thank you.

Cheers,


Julien


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 14 13:50:00 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:50:00 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <50CAF5AC.8090005@gmail.com>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
 <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <50CAF5AC.8090005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121214135000.GA3208@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Julien Iguchi-Cartigny wrote:
> > If it does, the thinkpad is defective, and needs to be repaired.
> I think the best way to show that it is not a hardware problem but a bug
> in the kernel is to resinstall ubuntu (or wahtever distribution) with
> kernel < 3.0. If the computer does not overheat this is a kernel bug.

Thinkpads are supposed to take care of themselves without help of the ACPI
O.S., but they are *very* robust.  Defects that would have most other
laptops crashing and burning all the time, become an annoyance only when
doing heavy workloads in a thinkpad.

Also, when everything is perfect, the OS does so much work to avoid
overheating, that you'd not notice the defect (but your laptop would be
working with far less performance).  THIS has not happened to thinkpads
lately, their ACPI tables just don't play nice with the Intel ACPICA
controllers, and I have no idea who is wrong in this one.

Lenovo sometimes play fast and loose with ACPI tricks to keep the box within
its thermal and power envelopes, but on the T-, X- and W-series, it really
shouldn't need performance-reducing tricks unless you are working on a hot
environment.

So yes, it could very well be a kernel bug.  But it is far more likely that
you have a thermal interface crack, or some other manufacturing defect that
shows up after some use.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 14 18:14:24 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (irb)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:14:24 -0700
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <20121214135000.GA3208@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
 <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <50CAF5AC.8090005@gmail.com>
 <20121214135000.GA3208@khazad-dum.debian.net>
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> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Julien Iguchi-Cartigny wrote:
>=20
> So yes, it could very well be a kernel bug.  But it is far more likely th=
at
> you have a thermal interface crack, or some other manufacturing defect th=
at
> shows up after some use.

I've been seeing this issue too, on a T43p that's been running Slackware Li=
nux
for many years. Slack 14 comes with a 3.2 kernel and that's when I started
suffering random reboots. Stock or custom kernel doesn't matter.  I've had
some luck (!!) with removing the thermal module, but I'd be curious to know
what changed.

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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec 15 16:18:39 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:18:39 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <20121214181424.GA3438@maleficarum.org>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
 <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>
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 <20121214135000.GA3208@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <20121214181424.GA3438@maleficarum.org>
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, irb wrote:
> * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (aka hmh@hmh.eng.br) used 1.7K on Fri, 14 Dec 2012 at 11:50 -0200 to say: 
> > On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Julien Iguchi-Cartigny wrote:
> > 
> > So yes, it could very well be a kernel bug.  But it is far more likely that
> > you have a thermal interface crack, or some other manufacturing defect that
> > shows up after some use.
> 
> I've been seeing this issue too, on a T43p that's been running Slackware Linux
> for many years. Slack 14 comes with a 3.2 kernel and that's when I started
> suffering random reboots. Stock or custom kernel doesn't matter.  I've had
> some luck (!!) with removing the thermal module, but I'd be curious to know
> what changed.

I have a T43 (model 2687 I believe).  I can assure you it does NOT reboot,
it does NOT crash, and it needs absolutely ZERO help from the OS to work
heavy workloads at reasonably hot environments (it is usual for me to
working at 30°C in the shadow, both in low and high-humidity environments).
Kernels 3.0.y, 3.2.y and 3.4.y (i.e. the ones you get from kernel.org) are
all good, using Debian Squeeze and Debian Wheezy userspace. *NO* suspend to
disk, just suspend to RAM.

If your T43 is crashing, open it, clean it up throughoutly, and replace the
thermal compound on the CPU with Arctic Silver 5 or better (anything with
less performance than AS5 will NOT do): the stuff from the factory really,
REALLY doesn't survive for this long, it will have cracked for sure.

My T43 will top at 72°C during a long kernel build (rest of the box will be
at 45°C to 66°C, according to the 12 thermal sensors it has) if I leave it
to the EC standard fan control, or at 70°C if I set it to fan level 7.   It
goes down to 67°C in disengaged fan mode, the CPU is a 1.83GHz Pentium M, I
believe.

It will get hotter if I do a both GPU and CPU burn: I never got around to
modding it for enhanced GPU thermal cooling, and it has that annoying 2mm
thermal gunk pad between the long-arm thermal sink and the discrete GPU,
which really doesn't help at all.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec 15 17:32:23 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Bill Wohler)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:32:23 -0800
Subject: [ltp] Re: Overheating T500
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87y5gz1as8.fsf@olgas.newt.com>

Julien Iguchi-Cartigny <kartoch@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to understand why my T500 is overheating since Ubuntu 11.10.
> I've wrote a wiki entry about in thinkwiki:

I had the same problem with my T500. Took it in under warranty and the
tech said he simply cleaned the fan/heatsink.

-- 
Bill Wohler <wohler@newt.com> aka <Bill.Wohler@nasa.gov>
http://www.newt.com/wohler/
GnuPG ID:610BD9AD


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec 15 21:02:32 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (irb)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:02:32 -0700
Subject: [ltp] Overheating T500
In-Reply-To: <20121215161839.GA15152@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <50C9B0F8.7060204@gmail.com>
 <20121214001004.GA13702@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <50CAF5AC.8090005@gmail.com>
 <20121214135000.GA3208@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <20121214181424.GA3438@maleficarum.org>
 <20121215161839.GA15152@khazad-dum.debian.net>
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> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, irb wrote:
> > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (aka hmh@hmh.eng.br) used 1.7K on Fri, 14=
 Dec 2012 at 11:50 -0200 to say:=20
>=20
> I have a T43 (model 2687 I believe).  I can assure you it does NOT reboot,
> it does NOT crash, and it needs absolutely ZERO help from the OS to work
> heavy workloads at reasonably hot environments (it is usual for me to
> working at 30=B0C in the shadow, both in low and high-humidity environmen=
ts).
> Kernels 3.0.y, 3.2.y and 3.4.y (i.e. the ones you get from kernel.org) are
> all good, using Debian Squeeze and Debian Wheezy userspace. *NO* suspend =
to
> disk, just suspend to RAM.
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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 20 03:01:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:01:17 -0800
Subject: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
Message-ID: <78bac6e87e2ee75858d402dab2ae22fb.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>

Hi All-

I can't figure out how to use a "compose" key with my ThinkPad T520.

I do not use a DE. Currently I am using the i3 tiling wm with Debian.

I tried using

$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

Using the menus I set the compose key to be the Right Alt key. I then
checked:

*************************
$ cat /etc/default/keyboard
# Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
# documentation on what to do after having modified this file.

# The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same #
values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options # in
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.

XKBMODEL=3D"pc105"
XKBLAYOUT=3D"us"
XKBVARIANT=3D""
XKBOPTIONS=3D"lv3:ralt_switch"

# If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
# specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
# before /usr is mounted.
# KMAP=3D/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
BACKSPACE=3D"guess"
***********************************

Maybe I am doing it wrong? I press the right alt key, release, then press
(for example) "o" then "c" which should give me the copyright symbol, but
does not work. Does not work if I press and hold the right alt key either=
.
I have tried other key combinations as well.

I don't see "what to do after having modified this file" message means-
that file doesn't tell me.

I can generate special characters using the "Ted" word processing
program's internal symbol creator for documents.

Is there some default I should be aware of? is there some way to query th=
e
system to tell what character has been mapped to the compose key?

Thanks for your help,
Keith Ostertag




From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 20 08:56:25 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tamas Papp)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:56:25 +0100
Subject: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
In-Reply-To: <78bac6e87e2ee75858d402dab2ae22fb.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <78bac6e87e2ee75858d402dab2ae22fb.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <87mwx92jba.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>

Hi Keith,

Just use XKBOPTIONS.  Here is my /etc/default/keyboard:

# Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
# documentation on what to do after having modified this file.

# The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same
# values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options
# in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

XKBMODEL="pc105"
XKBLAYOUT="us,us"
XKBVARIANT=",altg-intl"
XKBOPTIONS="grp:shift_caps_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,compose:prsc"

# If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
# specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
# before /usr is mounted.
# KMAP=/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
BACKSPACE="guess"

This setup

1. disables CapsLock's original function, Shift+CapsLock switches to the
us-intl layout, CapsLock switches back to US (grp:..., you might want to
remove this if you don't need it),

2. terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp allows me to kill X with this key
combination,

3. compose:prsc makes PrtSc the compose key.

I find this particularly convenient on my T430s.

Best,

Tamas

On Thu, Dec 20 2012, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:

> Hi All-
>
> I can't figure out how to use a "compose" key with my ThinkPad T520.
>
> I do not use a DE. Currently I am using the i3 tiling wm with Debian.
>
> I tried using
>
> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
>
> Using the menus I set the compose key to be the Right Alt key. I then
> checked:
>
> *************************
> $ cat /etc/default/keyboard
> # Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
> # documentation on what to do after having modified this file.
>
> # The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same #
> values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options # in
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
>
> XKBMODEL="pc105"
> XKBLAYOUT="us"
> XKBVARIANT=""
> XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
>
> # If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
> # specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
> # before /usr is mounted.
> # KMAP=/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
> BACKSPACE="guess"
> ***********************************
>
> Maybe I am doing it wrong? I press the right alt key, release, then press
> (for example) "o" then "c" which should give me the copyright symbol, but
> does not work. Does not work if I press and hold the right alt key either .
> I have tried other key combinations as well.
>
> I don't see "what to do after having modified this file" message means-
> that file doesn't tell me.
>
> I can generate special characters using the "Ted" word processing
> program's internal symbol creator for documents.
>
> Is there some default I should be aware of? is there some way to query the
> system to tell what character has been mapped to the compose key?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Keith Ostertag


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 20 15:05:00 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:05:00 -0800
Subject: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
In-Reply-To: <20121220110100.7B2653407D@parabel.matrix.de>
References: <20121220110100.7B2653407D@parabel.matrix.de>
Message-ID: <f3e3b0e71aaf58d56ad274659fb0c8d2.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>

Hi Tamas-

Hmm... I must be missing a step...

I manually edited the /etc/default/keyboard file to read exactly as the
one you have provided. But after rebooting nothing changes- CapsLk still
works as it always has, shift-CapsLk apparently doesn't change anything,
no compose function with prsc.

BTW- how is the us-intl different from the us? Is there a webpage that
describes this?

Thanks,
Keith

> Message: 2
> From: Tamas Papp <tkpapp@gmail.com>
> To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
> Subject: Re: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:56:25 +0100
> Reply-To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> Just use XKBOPTIONS.  Here is my /etc/default/keyboard:
>
> # Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
> # documentation on what to do after having modified this file.
>
> # The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same
> # values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options
> # in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
>
> XKBMODEL=3D"pc105"
> XKBLAYOUT=3D"us,us"
> XKBVARIANT=3D",altg-intl"
> XKBOPTIONS=3D"grp:shift_caps_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,compose:prs=
c"
>
> # If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
> # specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
> # before /usr is mounted.
> # KMAP=3D/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
> BACKSPACE=3D"guess"
>
> This setup
>
> 1. disables CapsLock's original function, Shift+CapsLock switches to th=
e
> us-intl layout, CapsLock switches back to US (grp:..., you might want t=
o
> remove this if you don't need it),
>
> 2. terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp allows me to kill X with this key
> combination,
>
> 3. compose:prsc makes PrtSc the compose key.
>
> I find this particularly convenient on my T430s.
>
> Best,
>
> Tamas
>
> On Thu, Dec 20 2012, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All-
>>
>> I can't figure out how to use a "compose" key with my ThinkPad T520.
>>
>> I do not use a DE. Currently I am using the i3 tiling wm with Debian.
>>
>> I tried using
>>
>> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
>>
>> Using the menus I set the compose key to be the Right Alt key. I then
>> checked:
>>
>> *************************
>> $ cat /etc/default/keyboard
>> # Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
>> # documentation on what to do after having modified this file.
>>
>> # The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same=
 #
>> values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options #
>> in
>> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
>>
>> XKBMODEL=3D"pc105"
>> XKBLAYOUT=3D"us"
>> XKBVARIANT=3D""
>> XKBOPTIONS=3D"lv3:ralt_switch"
>>
>> # If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
>> # specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
>> # before /usr is mounted.
>> # KMAP=3D/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
>> BACKSPACE=3D"guess"
>> ***********************************
>>
>> Maybe I am doing it wrong? I press the right alt key, release, then
>> press
>> (for example) "o" then "c" which should give me the copyright symbol,
>> but
>> does not work. Does not work if I press and hold the right alt key
>> either .
>> I have tried other key combinations as well.
>>
>> I don't see "what to do after having modified this file" message means=
-
>> that file doesn't tell me.
>>
>> I can generate special characters using the "Ted" word processing
>> program's internal symbol creator for documents.
>>
>> Is there some default I should be aware of? is there some way to query
>> the
>> system to tell what character has been mapped to the compose key?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Keith Ostertag
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> --
> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>
> End of Linux-Thinkpad Digest
>



From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 20 15:49:27 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Tamas Papp)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:49:27 +0100
Subject: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
In-Reply-To: <f3e3b0e71aaf58d56ad274659fb0c8d2.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <20121220110100.7B2653407D@parabel.matrix.de>,<f3e3b0e71aaf58d56ad274659fb0c8d2.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <874njgg1vc.fsf@tamas.ihs.ac.at>

Hi Keith,

You can use

setxkbmap -print

to query your settings.  You can also use setxkbmap to specify your
layout (see its man page), so you can experiment without changing
/etc/default/keyboard.

us-intl allows you to type accented characters, eg 'a => á.  If you
don't do that often then you probably don't need it, especially if you
have the compose key.  See http://hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html for
a nice summary of what you can do with the latter.

Best,

Tamas

On Thu, Dec 20 2012, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:

> Hi Tamas-
>
> Hmm... I must be missing a step...
>
> I manually edited the /etc/default/keyboard file to read exactly as the
> one you have provided. But after rebooting nothing changes- CapsLk still
> works as it always has, shift-CapsLk apparently doesn't change anything,
> no compose function with prsc.
>
> BTW- how is the us-intl different from the us? Is there a webpage that
> describes this?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>
>> Message: 2
>> From: Tamas Papp <tkpapp@gmail.com>
>> To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
>> Subject: Re: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
>> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:56:25 +0100
>> Reply-To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
>>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Just use XKBOPTIONS.  Here is my /etc/default/keyboard:
>>
>> # Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
>> # documentation on what to do after having modified this file.
>>
>> # The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same
>> # values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options
>> # in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
>>
>> XKBMODEL="pc105"
>> XKBLAYOUT="us,us"
>> XKBVARIANT=",altg-intl"
>> XKBOPTIONS="grp:shift_caps_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,compose:prsc"
>>
>> # If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
>> # specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
>> # before /usr is mounted.
>> # KMAP=/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
>> BACKSPACE="guess"
>>
>> This setup
>>
>> 1. disables CapsLock's original function, Shift+CapsLock switches to the
>> us-intl layout, CapsLock switches back to US (grp:..., you might want to
>> remove this if you don't need it),
>>
>> 2. terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp allows me to kill X with this key
>> combination,
>>
>> 3. compose:prsc makes PrtSc the compose key.
>>
>> I find this particularly convenient on my T430s.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tamas
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 20 2012, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All-
>>>
>>> I can't figure out how to use a "compose" key with my ThinkPad T520.
>>>
>>> I do not use a DE. Currently I am using the i3 tiling wm with Debian.
>>>
>>> I tried using
>>>
>>> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
>>>
>>> Using the menus I set the compose key to be the Right Alt key. I then
>>> checked:
>>>
>>> *************************
>>> $ cat /etc/default/keyboard
>>> # Check /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian for
>>> # documentation on what to do after having modified this file.
>>>
>>> # The following variables describe your keyboard and can have the same #
>>> values as the XkbModel, XkbLayout, XkbVariant and XkbOptions options #
>>> in
>>> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
>>>
>>> XKBMODEL="pc105"
>>> XKBLAYOUT="us"
>>> XKBVARIANT=""
>>> XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
>>>
>>> # If you don't want to use the XKB layout on the console, you can
>>> # specify an alternative keymap.  Make sure it will be accessible
>>> # before /usr is mounted.
>>> # KMAP=/etc/console-setup/defkeymap.kmap.gz
>>> BACKSPACE="guess"
>>> ***********************************
>>>
>>> Maybe I am doing it wrong? I press the right alt key, release, then
>>> press
>>> (for example) "o" then "c" which should give me the copyright symbol,
>>> but
>>> does not work. Does not work if I press and hold the right alt key
>>> either .
>>> I have tried other key combinations as well.
>>>
>>> I don't see "what to do after having modified this file" message means-
>>> that file doesn't tell me.
>>>
>>> I can generate special characters using the "Ted" word processing
>>> program's internal symbol creator for documents.
>>>
>>> Is there some default I should be aware of? is there some way to query
>>> the
>>> system to tell what character has been mapped to the compose key?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Keith Ostertag
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> --
>> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
>> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>>
>> End of Linux-Thinkpad Digest
>>


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Thu Dec 20 16:17:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Paul Seelig)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:17:17 +0100
Subject: [ltp] How to set "compose" key, T520 with no DE
In-Reply-To: <78bac6e87e2ee75858d402dab2ae22fb.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
References: <78bac6e87e2ee75858d402dab2ae22fb.squirrel@webmail.strucktower.com>
Message-ID: <50D33A0D.8070507@rumbero.es>

I use this here:

$ cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x14-composekey
if [ "$(setxkbmap -query | grep -c 'compose:caps')" != "1" ]; then
    setxkbmap -option compose:caps
fi

Hope this helps,
Paul

On 12/20/2012 04:01 AM, keitho@strucktower.com wrote:
> Hi All-
> 
> I can't figure out how to use a "compose" key with my ThinkPad T520.
> 
> I do not use a DE. Currently I am using the i3 tiling wm with Debian.
> 

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 06:31:01 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Helen Borrie)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:31:01 +1300
Subject: [ltp] NOT ABOUT LINUX: I'm in love with this, Santa!
Message-ID: <20121221063107.YVNC6031.mta02.xtra.co.nz@dev1.mail.iinet.net.au>

Please, Santa, please, I've be sooooo good all year!

http://shopap.lenovo.com/au/en/products/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x1-carbon-touch/index.html


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 07:50:04 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (philippe preux)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:50:04 +0100
Subject: [ltp] ssd for X220
Message-ID: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr>

Hello,
I have a 128 Gb ssd on my x220 (running Ubuntu if that matters). I'd 
like to upgrade it.
Currently, I do not find anything larger than 512 Gb. Is that a fact?
I see a 768 Gb for Macs and I wonder there is such a possibility for x220.
Anyone knows something about that?
Thanks a lot,
Philippe

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 08:25:44 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dmitry E. Mikhailov)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:25:44 +0600
Subject: [ltp] ssd for X220
In-Reply-To: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr>
References: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <1356078344.3202.64.camel@ibm2>

On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 08:50 +0100, philippe preux wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a 128 Gb ssd on my x220 (running Ubuntu if that matters). I'd 
> like to upgrade it.
> Currently, I do not find anything larger than 512 Gb. Is that a fact?
> I see a 768 Gb for Macs and I wonder there is such a possibility for x220.
> Anyone knows something about that?
> Thanks a lot,
> Philippe
Even 512GB costs A LOT. May be it would be cheaper to sell x220 and get
a Mac with 768GB?

You might consider installing am MSATA SSD onto x220 and add a 2.5" HDD
of some 1000 GB of spinning storage.
<Your captain Obvious>
-- 
Best regards,
        Dmitry Mikhailov


From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 08:29:30 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rubin Abdi)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:29:30 -0800
Subject: [ltp] ssd for X220
In-Reply-To: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr>
References: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <50D41DEA.20100@starset.net>

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philippe preux wrote, On 2012-12-20 23:50:
> I have a 128 Gb ssd on my x220 (running Ubuntu if that matters). I'd
> like to upgrade it.
> Currently, I do not find anything larger than 512 Gb. Is that a fact?
> I see a 768 Gb for Macs and I wonder there is such a possibility for x2=
20.
> Anyone knows something about that?

Not really exactly what you're asking for, but have you thought about
going with a SSD mSATA and platter drive solution?

Currently in my X220 I'm running a 128GB mSATA SSD (I think they come in
256GB now) with root running of off it (for the most part), and a second
2.5" 1TB platter drive running as a sort of secondary home or media
storage. laptop-mode-tools has some config somewhere that'll shut the
drive down after 15 seconds of inactivity while running on battery power.=


The mSATA drive I grabbed off of https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/
about 1.5 years ago for around $230, I think prices are a little less
for twice as much now.

The platter drive is some Samsung thing. I had to sort of remove my
motherboard from inside the machine and wedge the thing in there without
the drive try to make it fit (kind of regretting it now).

Anyhow, Debian runs blindingly fast and I still have a boat load of
storage for music, videos, honey badgers, virtual machines, etc. Both
drives have full disk encryption.

--=20
Rubin
rubin@starset.net


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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 16:43:43 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Sandro)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:43:43 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
Message-ID: <CAJtxvRN7aM+6RBKTb-UTyYBitV+4hvk+3v0zxfPr+5iJsjd3mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I thought I'd install tp-smapi-dkms because my battery keeps charging
those small percentages while I'd rather have it charge only when it
has dropped below 40%.

But those instructions found in
<http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi> do no good in Ubuntu 12.10.
The modprobe_command gives an error about a missing file that is
there?

Does somebody know how to get those precise battery functions in
modern thinkpads tike this Carbon X1?

script follows: --

# apt-get install tp-smapi-dkms
(..)
Creating symlink /var/lib/dkms/tp-smapi/0.41/source ->
                 /usr/src/tp-smapi-0.41
(..)
thinkpad_ec:
Running module version sanity check.
 - Original module
   - No original module exists within this kernel
 - Installation
   - Installing to /lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/extra/

tp_smapi.ko:
Running module version sanity check.
 - Original module
   - No original module exists within this kernel
 - Installation
   - Installing to /lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/extra/

hdaps.ko:
Running module version sanity check.
 - Original module
   - Found /lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/hdaps.ko
   - Storing in /var/lib/dkms/tp-smapi/original_module/3.5.0-19-generic/x86_64/
   - Archiving for uninstallation purposes
 - Installation
   - Installing to /lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/updates/

depmod....

DKMS: install completed.

# modprobe tp_smapi
FATAL: Error inserting tp_smapi
(/lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/extra/tp_smapi.ko): No such device or
address

# ls -lah /lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/extra/
total 72K
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Dec 21 17:33 .
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4.0K Dec 21 17:33 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  16K Dec 21 17:33 thinkpad_ec.ko
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  48K Dec 21 17:33 tp_smapi.ko

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 18:17:46 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Theodore Ts'o)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:17:46 -0500
Subject: [ltp] ssd for X220
In-Reply-To: <50D41DEA.20100@starset.net>
References: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr>
 <50D41DEA.20100@starset.net>
Message-ID: <20121221181746.GC31731@thunk.org>

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:29:30AM -0800, Rubin Abdi wrote:
> 
> Currently in my X220 I'm running a 128GB mSATA SSD (I think they come in
> 256GB now) with root running of off it (for the most part), and a second
> 2.5" 1TB platter drive running as a sort of secondary home or media
> storage. laptop-mode-tools has some config somewhere that'll shut the
> drive down after 15 seconds of inactivity while running on battery power.

This is what I'm doing, although I'm using an Intel series 810 mSATA
ssd.  It's only 80 gigs, but it's based on the X-25M controller, and I
trust it a heck of a lot more than some of the other more
"adventurous" SSD controller designs.  (Intel tends to be a lot more
conservative with their FTL designs than some of the other SSD
manufacturers.)   Currently it's available for around $180.

> The platter drive is some Samsung thing. I had to sort of remove my
> motherboard from inside the machine and wedge the thing in there without
> the drive try to make it fit (kind of regretting it now).

The trick is to make sure you use a 7mm hard drive.  I'm using a
Hitachi Travelstar Z5K500, which is a 5400rpm, 500G drive, which is
available for around $60.  The reason why I'm using the older 5400rpm
drive is because I care more about battery lifetime than performance
--- 80G is plenty of room for the stuff that requires low latency
access, which in my case is my system binaries, my home directory, and
my source trees.  I keep my A/V media files, build trees with the
object files, and less frequently used bulk data on the 5400pm HDD.

       	      	       		       	    	 - Ted

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 21 21:09:10 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rubin Abdi)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:09:10 -0800
Subject: [ltp] ssd for X220
In-Reply-To: <20121221181746.GC31731@thunk.org>
References: <50D414AC.8050600@inria.fr> <50D41DEA.20100@starset.net> <20121221181746.GC31731@thunk.org>
Message-ID: <50D4CFF6.1000902@starset.net>

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Theodore Ts'o wrote, On 2012-12-21 10:17:
> The trick is to make sure you use a 7mm hard drive.  I'm using a
> Hitachi Travelstar Z5K500, which is a 5400rpm, 500G drive, which is
> available for around $60.  The reason why I'm using the older 5400rpm
> drive is because I care more about battery lifetime than performance
> --- 80G is plenty of room for the stuff that requires low latency
> access, which in my case is my system binaries, my home directory, and
> my source trees.  I keep my A/V media files, build trees with the
> object files, and less frequently used bulk data on the 5400pm HDD.

There's also this list which isn't updated anymore, but I'm sure there's
info in the thread, somewhere...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/572243-list-drives-compatible-x220=
=2Ehtml

Some of the 9.5mm tricks include removing pieces of the drives, the
mother board wedge thing I spoke about, and dremeling out the "teeth"
that are at the entrance of the drive bay.

Pick a drive that has quiet and fast spin up, becuase that's the most
obnoxious thing about this setup.

--=20
Rubin
rubin@starset.net


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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Dec 23 00:50:41 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:50:41 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <CAJtxvRN7aM+6RBKTb-UTyYBitV+4hvk+3v0zxfPr+5iJsjd3mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJtxvRN7aM+6RBKTb-UTyYBitV+4hvk+3v0zxfPr+5iJsjd3mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121223005041.GB12747@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Sandro wrote:
> I thought I'd install tp-smapi-dkms because my battery keeps charging
> those small percentages while I'd rather have it charge only when it
> has dropped below 40%.
> 
> But those instructions found in
> <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi> do no good in Ubuntu 12.10.
> The modprobe_command gives an error about a missing file that is
> there?
> 
> Does somebody know how to get those precise battery functions in
> modern thinkpads tike this Carbon X1?

Yes.  Find a way to get me one, or track down the author of tp-smapi
and get him one.  Failing that, track down "mg" from the thinkpad-forums
and get him one.

Maybe there are others who could do it, I am sure they'll say "me too"
to this thread if they're around :p

If you are *really* adventurous, I can tell you how to set the battery
levels directly though the EC register map on T4x-class ECs, bypassing
SMAPI.  It could do something quite bad to your thinkpad, though.  I have
never tested it in anything newer than a T43/p.

There's a much easier way.  Set it in windows, and it should hold until
you power down the EC, which actually requires removing all batteries
and AC power at the same time for a while (or doing the "press power
button a number of times without batteries and AC" dance).

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Dec 23 14:40:56 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:40:56 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <20121223005041.GB12747@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <CAJtxvRN7aM+6RBKTb-UTyYBitV+4hvk+3v0zxfPr+5iJsjd3mQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121223005041.GB12747@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <20121223144055.GA14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:50:41PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Sandro wrote:
> > I thought I'd install tp-smapi-dkms because my battery keeps charging
> > those small percentages while I'd rather have it charge only when it
> > has dropped below 40%.
> > 
> > But those instructions found in
> > <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi> do no good in Ubuntu 12.10.
> > The modprobe_command gives an error about a missing file that is
> > there?
> > 
> > Does somebody know how to get those precise battery functions in
> > modern thinkpads tike this Carbon X1?
> 
> Yes.  Find a way to get me one, or track down the author of tp-smapi
> and get him one.  Failing that, track down "mg" from the thinkpad-forums
> and get him one.
> 
> Maybe there are others who could do it, I am sure they'll say "me too"
> to this thread if they're around :p

I'll say there is noone who can do this. But for another reason: the X1 
has no SMAPI. Lenovo opted in for a ACPI only interface:
https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753

Greets
Evgeni 'tp-smapi should be dead but I try to maintain it without a clue' Golov

-- 
Bruce Schneier can read and understand Perl programs.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sun Dec 23 17:33:48 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:33:48 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <20121223144055.GA14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
References: <CAJtxvRN7aM+6RBKTb-UTyYBitV+4hvk+3v0zxfPr+5iJsjd3mQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121223005041.GB12747@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <20121223144055.GA14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
Message-ID: <20121223173348.GA7119@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:50:41PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Sandro wrote:
> > > I thought I'd install tp-smapi-dkms because my battery keeps charging
> > > those small percentages while I'd rather have it charge only when it
> > > has dropped below 40%.
> > > 
> > > But those instructions found in
> > > <http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi> do no good in Ubuntu 12.10.
> > > The modprobe_command gives an error about a missing file that is
> > > there?
> > > 
> > > Does somebody know how to get those precise battery functions in
> > > modern thinkpads tike this Carbon X1?
> > 
> > Yes.  Find a way to get me one, or track down the author of tp-smapi
> > and get him one.  Failing that, track down "mg" from the thinkpad-forums
> > and get him one.
> > 
> > Maybe there are others who could do it, I am sure they'll say "me too"
> > to this thread if they're around :p
> 
> I'll say there is noone who can do this. But for another reason: the X1 
> has no SMAPI. Lenovo opted in for a ACPI only interface:
> https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753

Who said you'd have to bother with SMAPI?  It is clear one has to mess with
ACPI and WMI on the newer Thinkpads, and leave the SMAPI interface for the
older ones.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 28 13:09:14 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Sandro)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:09:14 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
Message-ID: <CAJtxvROjxH5qbkvX5R0o1459reP6SFLywYnb0AkbypaSG+AgQA@mail.gmail.com>

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Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was outdated and I
have to use the standard ACPI for this.
Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop charging
levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be bothered
with anymore?

BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing the tip to
change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more SMAPI).

Greets, Sander

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From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 28 13:12:34 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:12:34 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <CAJtxvROjxH5qbkvX5R0o1459reP6SFLywYnb0AkbypaSG+AgQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJtxvROjxH5qbkvX5R0o1459reP6SFLywYnb0AkbypaSG+AgQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20121228131234.GH14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:09:14PM +0100, Sandro wrote:
> Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was outdated and I
> have to use the standard ACPI for this.
> Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop charging
> levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be bothered
> with anymore?
> 
> BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing the tip to
> change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more SMAPI).

The guy who wrote the ACPI stuff said he reversed that from Windows, so 
it should be possible there too.

-- 
Bruce Schneier can read and understand Perl programs.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 28 18:26:17 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:26:17 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <20121228131234.GH14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
References: <CAJtxvROjxH5qbkvX5R0o1459reP6SFLywYnb0AkbypaSG+AgQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121228131234.GH14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
Message-ID: <20121228182617.GA26167@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:09:14PM +0100, Sandro wrote:
> > Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was outdated and I
> > have to use the standard ACPI for this.
> > Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop charging
> > levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be bothered
> > with anymore?
> > 
> > BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing the tip to
> > change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more SMAPI).
> 
> The guy who wrote the ACPI stuff said he reversed that from Windows, so 
> it should be possible there too.

If you mean me (the thinkpad-acpi maintainer), no, I didn't say anything of
the sort.  I have NEVER reverse engineered any Windows software or Windows
driver.  Nor have I ever offered to.

I work based on hundreds of hours of trial-and-error, and also by studying
the contents of the ACPI tables and a lot of experience, plus asking Lenovo
engineers about it when it is something they are allowed to talk about.

If The X1-carbon with the full Lenovo-provided thinkvantage suite does NOT
let you control battery levels, then it probably means the functionality
simply isn't available or that it is now automated somehow.  Ask Lenovo
directly, if their advanced battery driver in the thinkvantage suite can do
it, they will tell you how to get to the pretty screen that has that
option...

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Fri Dec 28 18:51:26 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:51:26 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <20121228182617.GA26167@khazad-dum.debian.net>
References: <CAJtxvROjxH5qbkvX5R0o1459reP6SFLywYnb0AkbypaSG+AgQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121228131234.GH14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
 <20121228182617.GA26167@khazad-dum.debian.net>
Message-ID: <20121228185126.GI14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 04:26:17PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:09:14PM +0100, Sandro wrote:
> > > Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was outdated and I
> > > have to use the standard ACPI for this.
> > > Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop charging
> > > levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be bothered
> > > with anymore?
> > > 
> > > BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing the tip to
> > > change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more SMAPI).
> > 
> > The guy who wrote the ACPI stuff said he reversed that from Windows, so 
> > it should be possible there too.
> 
> If you mean me (the thinkpad-acpi maintainer), no, I didn't say anything of
> the sort.  I have NEVER reverse engineered any Windows software or Windows
> driver.  Nor have I ever offered to.

No, I would have mentioned you by name. :)
I meant the one who posted about the acpi way on github.

greets
evgeni

-- 
Bruce Schneier can read and understand Perl programs.

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec 29 01:36:09 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:36:09 -0200
Subject: [ltp] Re: Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <20121228185126.GI14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
References: <CAJtxvROjxH5qbkvX5R0o1459reP6SFLywYnb0AkbypaSG+AgQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20121228131234.GH14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
 <20121228182617.GA26167@khazad-dum.debian.net>
 <20121228185126.GI14027@dorei.kerker.die-welt.net>
Message-ID: <20121229013609.GA5977@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 04:26:17PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:09:14PM +0100, Sandro wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was outdated and I
> > > > have to use the standard ACPI for this.
> > > > Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop charging
> > > > levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be bothered
> > > > with anymore?
> > > > 
> > > > BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing the tip to
> > > > change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more SMAPI).
> > > 
> > > The guy who wrote the ACPI stuff said he reversed that from Windows, so 
> > > it should be possible there too.
> > 
> > If you mean me (the thinkpad-acpi maintainer), no, I didn't say anything of
> > the sort.  I have NEVER reverse engineered any Windows software or Windows
> > driver.  Nor have I ever offered to.
> 
> No, I would have mentioned you by name. :)
> I meant the one who posted about the acpi way on github.

Do you have a link to that post?

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org  Sat Dec 29 06:47:54 2012
From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:47:54 +0100
Subject: [ltp] Re: Battery tweaks for X1 Carbon - cannot install ts_mapi
In-Reply-To: <20121229013609.GA5977@khazad-dum.debian.net>
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I meant https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753 and https://github.com/teleshoes/tpacpi-bat, cant find the Windows reference from my phone there, though.

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 04:26:17PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
>wrote:
>> > On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:
>> > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:09:14PM +0100, Sandro wrote:
>> > > > Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was
>outdated and I
>> > > > have to use the standard ACPI for this.
>> > > > Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop
>charging
>> > > > levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be
>bothered
>> > > > with anymore?
>> > > > 
>> > > > BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing
>the tip to
>> > > > change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more
>SMAPI).
>> > > 
>> > > The guy who wrote the ACPI stuff said he reversed that from
>Windows, so 
>> > > it should be possible there too.
>> > 
>> > If you mean me (the thinkpad-acpi maintainer), no, I didn't say
>anything of
>> > the sort.  I have NEVER reverse engineered any Windows software or
>Windows
>> > driver.  Nor have I ever offered to.
>> 
>> No, I would have mentioned you by name. :)
>> I meant the one who posted about the acpi way on github.
>
>Do you have a link to that post?
>
>-- 
>  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
>  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
>  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
>  Henrique Holschuh

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<html><head/><body><html><head></head><body>I meant <a href="https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753">https://github.com/evgeni/tp_smapi/issues/3#issuecomment-2567753</a> and <a href="https://github.com/teleshoes/tpacpi-bat">https://github.com/teleshoes/tpacpi-bat</a>, cant find the Windows reference from my phone there, though.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Henrique de Moraes Holschuh &lt;hmh@hmh.eng.br&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: monospace; margin-top: 0px">On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 04:26:17PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Evgeni Golov wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:09:14PM +0100, Sandro wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks for the hints on this. I didn't know tp_smapi was outdated and I<br />have to use the standard ACPI for this.<br />Is there a standard/default/ACPI way of changing the start/stop
charging<br />levels for the battery or is this just something I shouldn't be bothered<br />with anymore?<br /><br />BTW I cannot find similar functionality in Windows (referencing the tip to<br />change it there) - probably for the same reason (no more SMAPI).</blockquote><br />The guy who wrote the ACPI stuff said he reversed that from Windows, so <br />it should be possible there too.</blockquote><br />If you mean me (the thinkpad-acpi maintainer), no, I didn't say anything of<br />the sort.  I have NEVER reverse engineered any Windows software or Windows<br />driver.  Nor have I ever offered to.</blockquote><br />No, I would have mentioned you by name. :)<br />I meant the one who posted about the acpi way on github.</blockquote><br />Do you have a link to that post?<br /></pre></blockquote></div></body></html></body></html>
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