From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Thu Aug 11 22:44:28 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rubin Abdi) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:44:28 -0700 Subject: [ltp] Map Fn keys to multimedia events? Message-ID: --001a113c5bc2cd79860539d2ac33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I just recently switched to an X1 Carbon 4th gen, Debian with KDE 5.something. I also have a Lenovo wireless Thinkpad keyboard. On the wireless keyboard F10 - F12s in combination with the Fn key being held down initiate the multimedia events previous song, pause/play and next song. Sadly the X1's keyboard has no multimedia buttons that I can see. At the moment F10 - F12 are bound to silly things like mimicking OS X's expose view and "search". I'm wondering if there's a way to map the events that happen when I press those less needed Fn key combos on my X1 to other things like multimedia events so that it will more willingly get picked up by other music apps? Thanks! -- Rubin rubin@starset.net --001a113c5bc2cd79860539d2ac33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just recently switched to an X1 Carbon 4th gen, Debian w= ith KDE 5.something. I also have a Lenovo wireless Thinkpad keyboard.

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On the wireless keyboard F10 - F12s in combination with the F= n key being held down initiate the multimedia events previous song, pause/p= lay and next song. Sadly the X1's keyboard has no multimedia buttons th= at I can see. At the moment F10 - F12 are bound to silly things like mimick= ing OS X's expose view and "search".

I'm wondering if there's a way to map the events that happen when = I press those less needed Fn key combos on my X1 to other things like multi= media events so that it will more willingly get picked up by other music ap= ps?

Thanks!

Rubin
rubin@starset.net

--001a113c5bc2cd79860539d2ac33-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Fri Aug 12 00:02:41 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Richard Neill) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:02:41 +0100 Subject: [ltp] Map Fn keys to multimedia events? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57AD0411.60005@richardneill.org> On 11/08/16 22:44, Rubin Abdi wrote: > I'm wondering if there's a way to map the events that happen when I > press those less needed Fn key combos on my X1 to other things like > multimedia events so that it will more willingly get picked up by other > music apps? Hi Rubin, Generally there are 3 kinds of key events - the regular X11 ones, some strange ACPI events (e.g. lid-close), and some weird things that the BIOS intercepts (usually these are related the the Fn-key). If you're in luck, use xev (X event viewer) and give the xev window focus, to display the key combinations that are pressed. Then you can use Xmodmap to re-map the keys, or Xbindkeys to make the key trigger some specific command. If the keypress doesn't show up in Xev, you're probably out of luck HTH, Richard From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Fri Aug 12 01:59:42 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Rubin Abdi) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:59:42 -0700 Subject: [ltp] Map Fn keys to multimedia events? In-Reply-To: <57AD0411.60005@richardneill.org> References: <57AD0411.60005@richardneill.org> Message-ID: --001a114be79a03651c0539d5677e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for! On 11 August 2016 at 16:02, Richard Neill wrote: > > On 11/08/16 22:44, Rubin Abdi wrote: > >> I'm wondering if there's a way to map the events that happen when I >> press those less needed Fn key combos on my X1 to other things like >> multimedia events so that it will more willingly get picked up by other >> music apps? >> > > Hi Rubin, > > Generally there are 3 kinds of key events - the regular X11 ones, some > strange ACPI events (e.g. lid-close), and some weird things that the BIOS > intercepts (usually these are related the the Fn-key). > > If you're in luck, use xev (X event viewer) and give the xev window > focus, to display the key combinations that are pressed. Then you can use > Xmodmap to re-map the keys, or Xbindkeys to make the key trigger some > specific command. > > If the keypress doesn't show up in Xev, you're probably out of luck > > HTH, > > Richard > > > > > -- > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: > http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad > -- Rubin rubin@starset.net --001a114be79a03651c0539d5677e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for!

On 11 August 2016 at = 16:02, Richard Neill <rn214@richardneill.org> wrote:

On 11/08/16 22:44, Rubin Abdi wrote:

I'm wondering if there's a way to map the events that happen when I=
press those less needed Fn key combos on my X1 to other things like
multimedia events so that it will more willingly get picked up by other
music apps?

Hi Rubin,

Generally there are 3 kinds of key events - the regular X11 ones, some stra= nge ACPI events (e.g. lid-close), and some weird things that the BIOS inter= cepts (usually these are related the the Fn-key).

If you're in luck, use xev=C2=A0 (X event viewer) and give the xev wind= ow focus, to display the key combinations that are pressed. Then you can us= e Xmodmap to re-map the keys, or Xbindkeys to make the key trigger some spe= cific command.

If the keypress doesn't show up in Xev, you're probably out of luck=

HTH,

Richard

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Rubinrubin@starset.net<= /a>

Hi,
<= br>

I experienced similar issues in replacing the touchpad on my X240.=

First: make sure you have a touchpad that is for your device = apparently the T440 and X240 do NOT have the same touchpad and connector la= yout!

(This was my first mistake)

Second: if you repl= ace the touchpad, also replace the ribbon cables. They are not made to be c= onnected and disconnected too often.

In my case the whol= e thin worked after I got the correct new touchpad and a new ribbon cable.<= br>

To get everything in place, I needed to completely disassemble the= machine though. I hope the T440 is a bit easier to do.

best,<= br>

Hendrik-Jan

P.S. I know it is no consolation but = due to this I also had a mouse connected for about 4 weeks as there was no = internal pointing device anymore.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016-08-26 22:27 GMT+02:00 /dev/rob0 <list+ltp@= nodns4.us>:

I heard about t= he replacement devices for the Single-Big-Button
abomination that came with my T440p, watched a Youtube video or two,
and I figured I was all set.=C2=A0 I ordered the cheap one and set about replacing it.

Most of the hardware work was pretty straightforward, no tricks.

The bad part was to reconnect the various ribbon cables.=C2=A0 There are three: one for the eraserhead, one for the keyboard, and one for the
touchpad.=C2=A0 All were challenging.

Each has a little black plastic clip which holds the ribbon cable in
place.=C2=A0 My problem was the clip on the touchpad's cable, which it<= br> seems can no longer hold firmly.

I used electrical tape to try to hold it in place, but it seems not
to be working.=C2=A0 I have my hard drive in a different machine so I
booted a live USB stick, and no joy on the pointer.

I guess I'll now have a machine with no built-in pointer device.
It's not a "laptop" if I have to put it on a desk and have a = place
for a mouse.=C2=A0 Sigh.
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--001a1145adbc8c7e86053b095bb0-- From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Aug 27 12:09:31 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:09:31 +0200 Subject: [ltp] X200/X201 or X200s/X201s In-Reply-To: <87a8g0k137.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87a8g0k137.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160827110931.h535p22icj2obcxh@nana.phantasia.die-welt.net> Hi Uwe, On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 09:09:16PM +0000, Uwe Brauer wrote: > I posses a X200s and could buy either a second hand X200s or a X201. I > am curious what are the difference between the version with Â«sÂ» and > without Â«sÂ», better batteries and slimmer? > > I tend to opt for the X200s because of the Â«sÂ» but the X201 has a bit > more modern hardware... 200 vs 201 is: - no touchpad vs optional touchpad - Core2Duo vs Core iX - that's pretty much it - well,appart from the supporting chips etc normal vs s is: - s can't have a webcam - s can (and usually does) have 1440x900 TN panel - getting a X201s in decent condition used is almost impossible - s has a ULV CPU, which should be cooler and use less power, but in reality it does not really matter all of them get the same batteries, same keyboards etc, so that should not be a dealbreaker my 0.02â‚¬ Evgeni, happy x201s owner From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Aug 27 16:03:00 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (/dev/rob0) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 10:03:00 -0500 Subject: [ltp] T440p touchpad replacement failed :( In-Reply-To: References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:24:19AM +0200, Hendrik-Jan Heins wrote: > I experienced similar issues in replacing the touchpad on my X240. > > First: make sure you have a touchpad that is for your device > apparently the T440 and X240 do NOT have the same touchpad and > connector layout! (This was my first mistake) The device I bought claimed to be T440 compatible, and the ribbon connectors were similar. > Second: if you replace the touchpad, also replace the ribbon > cables. They are not made to be connected and disconnected too > often. Okay, I will try this. But I don't think my problem is the cable itself; I think it is the connector on the motherboard. > In my case the whole thin worked after I got the correct new > touchpad and a new ribbon cable. > To get everything in place, I needed to completely disassemble the > machine though. I hope the T440 is a bit easier to do. Right, it wasn't that bad. Back panel (2 screws and slides off), optical drive, a whole bunch of screws holding the top bezel, the keyboard (which really only needed to come loose, not be removed, to remove the top bezel), and then just the screws attaching the touchpad to the bezel. I also removed the hard drive according to instruction on Youtube, but that was not necessary AFAICT. > P.S. I know it is no consolation but due to this I also had a mouse > connected for about 4 weeks as there was no internal pointing > device anymore. It's a blessing in disguise. :) I think I am more productive when keeping hands on the keyboard. Much of what I need to do is (or can be) console work, such as this mutt MUA I use. I appreciate that you took the time to reply and to share your experience. Technically I guess this should have been flagged as off-topic, because it has nothing to do with software, but I know that the touchpad abomination has been a common sore point among Linux Thinkpad users. (Personally I expect to continue using this Thinkpad for several years to come, but I'm ill-inclined to consider a future Lenovo purchase after this experience.) -- http://rob0.nodns4.us/ From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Aug 27 16:20:12 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Uwe Brauer) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:20:12 +0000 Subject: [ltp] X200/X201 or X200s/X201s References: <87a8g0k137.fsf@gmail.com> <20160827110931.h535p22icj2obcxh@nana.phantasia.die-welt.net> Message-ID: <871t1ajl1v.fsf@gmail.com> >>> "Evgeni" =3D=3D Evgeni Golov writes: > Hi Uwe, > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 09:09:16PM +0000, Uwe Brauer wrote: >> I posses a X200s and could buy either a second hand X200s or a X201. I >> am curious what are the difference between the version with =C2=ABs= =C2=BB and >> without =C2=ABs=C2=BB, better batteries and slimmer? >>=20 >> I tend to opt for the X200s because of the =C2=ABs=C2=BB but the X201= has a bit >> more modern hardware... > 200 vs 201 is: > - no touchpad vs optional touchpad > - Core2Duo vs Core iX > - that's pretty much it - well,appart from the supporting chips etc Thanks=20 > normal vs s is: > - s can't have a webcam What I have a X200s with a webcam, but without a touchpad. > - s can (and usually does) have 1440x900 TN panel > - getting a X201s in decent condition used is almost impossible > - s has a ULV CPU, which should be cooler and use less power, > but in reality it does not really matter Interesting, amazon, has some offers either for=20 - X200s or=20 - X201 but *not* - X201s I don't need or miss a touchpad, so most likely I will go for a X200s. Uwe=20 From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Aug 27 17:28:48 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Evgeni Golov) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:28:48 +0200 Subject: [ltp] X200/X201 or X200s/X201s In-Reply-To: <871t1ajl1v.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87a8g0k137.fsf@gmail.com> <20160827110931.h535p22icj2obcxh@nana.phantasia.die-welt.net> <871t1ajl1v.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160827162848.hjwkhwpkdgeisa2c@nana.phantasia.die-welt.net> Hi, On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 03:20:12PM +0000, Uwe Brauer wrote: > > normal vs s is: > > - s can't have a webcam > > What I have a X200s with a webcam, but without a touchpad. Interesting. Do you have a 1440 or a 1280 screen? For the 1440 one in the X201s, Lenovo said it is too thick and webcam would not fit anymore in the bezel. > > - s can (and usually does) have 1440x900 TN panel > > - getting a X201s in decent condition used is almost impossible > > - s has a ULV CPU, which should be cooler and use less power, > > but in reality it does not really matter > > Interesting, amazon, has some offers either for > > - X200s or > > - X201 but *not* > > - X201s > > I don't need or miss a touchpad, so most likely I will go for a X200s. Lenovo built the X201s only for a very limited time, as they had problems sourcing the 1440 panel. So that's probably the reason. Regards From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Aug 27 18:24:29 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Uwe Brauer) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:24:29 +0000 Subject: [ltp] X200/X201 or X200s/X201s References: <87a8g0k137.fsf@gmail.com> <20160827110931.h535p22icj2obcxh@nana.phantasia.die-welt.net> <871t1ajl1v.fsf@gmail.com> <20160827162848.hjwkhwpkdgeisa2c@nana.phantasia.die-welt.net> Message-ID: <87y43iw2eq.fsf@gmail.com> > Hi, > On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 03:20:12PM +0000, Uwe Brauer wrote: > Interesting. Do you have a 1440 or a 1280 screen? > For the 1440 one in the X201s, Lenovo said it is too thick and webcam > would not fit anymore in the bezel. I presume a 1280, but how can I know for sure? > Lenovo built the X201s only for a very limited time, as they had > problems sourcing the 1440 panel. So that's probably the reason. I see. From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sat Aug 27 19:55:51 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (/dev/rob0) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:55:51 -0500 Subject: [ltp] T440p touchpad replacement failed :( In-Reply-To: <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: <20160827185550.GH28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:03:00AM -0500, /dev/rob0 wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:24:19AM +0200, Hendrik-Jan Heins wrote: > > Second: if you replace the touchpad, also replace the ribbon > > cables. They are not made to be connected and disconnected too > > often. > > Okay, I will try this. But I don't think my problem is the cable > itself; I think it is the connector on the motherboard. Yes! I looked again at this cable. This time I took out the new touchpad again and examined that end of it also. It has color coding on each end: green, with a transparent tape "handle" on the motherboard end; blue and no handle on the touchpad end. Interestingly, the motherboard end appears to be about a half millimeter wider. This time I left a bit more length to go through the bezel slot to reach the motherboard connector, and IT WORKS! Partly. I can move the pointer with the touchpad, and the main touchpad's click is functional. The three buttons DO NOT respond. This result was not surprising, because close examination showed a minor defect in one of the ribbon cable's contacts. So I do need to get a new ribbon cable now. But that's okay; optimism has returned. :) Thanks again for the suggestion, which has gotten me on the right track, I believe. Perhaps in a week or three I can report back my success? :) -- http://rob0.nodns4.us/ From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sun Aug 28 02:46:05 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (gregor herrmann) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 03:46:05 +0200 Subject: [ltp] T440p touchpad replacement failed :( In-Reply-To: <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: <20160828014605.6ym5phgwsekpzzei@jadzia.comodo.priv.at> ------------=_1472348768-18486-86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 10:03:00 -0500, /dev/rob0 wrote: > I also removed the hard drive according to instruction on Youtube, YouTube? (IBM/)Lenovo provide excellent maintenance manuals which explain in great depth and with detailed pictures each required step for replacing parts. I can only recommend downloading and using those manuals. 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(IBM/)Lenovo provide excellent maintenance manuals which > explain in great depth and with detailed pictures each required > step for replacing parts. I can only recommend downloading and > using those manuals. Good point, and yes I did, but I found it less than adequate and certainly not encouraging. Those drawings are hard to follow sometimes. For example, removal of the keyboard shows the rubber cover of the ribbon cable connectors, but does not mention it's stuck on there; and nothing about how to deal with that. The video guide was reassuring, and showed it in a way I could see it better. Furthermore, I found the instructions for keyboard bezel removal to be removing too much. Lenovo said to remove the wireless LAN card, the WAN card, the memory, the coin-cell battery, and the fan. I didn't need to do those. And the keyboard did not need to be disconnected; I could have saved a half hour of grief and removed the bezel assembly around the still-connected keyboard. Sadly, that's the kind of documentation manufacturers of all kinds of things offer. More important than engineers' review is the lawyers' review, and in many cases IME the lawyers add false and misleading information in the interest of protecting the company from possible liability. As free software users we have had to learn to take authoritative statements from hardware manufacturers with some skepticism. How many times have you read, "This device only works in Windows," and found that to be completely false? That said, I concede your point about the value of consulting Lenovo's maintenance manual. -- http://rob0.nodns4.us/ Offlist GMX mail is seen only if "/dev/rob0" is in the Subject: From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Sun Aug 28 19:53:22 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (/dev/rob0) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:53:22 -0500 Subject: [ltp] T440p touchpad replacement success :) In-Reply-To: <20160827185550.GH28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827185550.GH28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: <20160828185322.GL28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 01:55:51PM -0500, I wrote: > This time I left a bit more length to go through the bezel slot > to reach the motherboard connector, and IT WORKS! Partly. > > I can move the pointer with the touchpad, and the main touchpad's > click is functional. The three buttons DO NOT respond. Um, in fact, yes they do, much as Cameron Gray (in his blog at camerongray.me) described for his T440s. So in fact I think this is over but for the software tweaking. > This result was not surprising, because close examination showed > a minor defect in one of the ribbon cable's contacts. > > So I do need to get a new ribbon cable now. But that's okay; > optimism has returned. :) I do think I should order a new cable anyway, and I'll get a set of screws at the same time. Thanks again for the comments and encouragement. :) Best of luck to the next person who tries it. I can already tell I am going to love it. -- http://rob0.nodns4.us/ Offlist GMX mail is seen only if "/dev/rob0" is in the Subject: From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Mon Aug 29 12:08:12 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Dmitry Nezhevenko) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:08:12 +0300 Subject: [ltp] T440p touchpad replacement failed :( In-Reply-To: <20160828141808.GK28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160828014605.6ym5phgwsekpzzei@jadzia.comodo.priv.at> <20160828141808.GK28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: <20160829110812.a7kq2mq4i3cpv6zp@debpad.local> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:18:08AM -0500, /dev/rob0 wrote: > That said, I concede your point about the value of consulting > Lenovo's maintenance manual. Just want to let you know. I've successfully replaced touchpad on my t440p machine maybe half year ago. Purchased new one on ebay (just touchpad without any cables/connectors). So I've used existing touchpad cable. I was able to do it using just Lenovo maintenance manual (skipped RTC battery and CPU fan section). Everything works fine under linux. As far as I remember, some input-related update was needed (kernel/evdev/libinput), doesn't remember exactly. But with current debian unstable everything works out of the box. Please note that this 'upgrade' touchpad (at least my one) is probably some preproduction unit. Not sure. But if you need to use it under Windows, be ready to get driver issues. Windows update tries to install wrong version of drivers, and working one is pretty outdated (win10 will replace it with non-working version automatically) -- WBR, Dmitry From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Aug 31 02:14:37 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Stefan Monnier) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:14:37 -0400 Subject: [ltp] Re: T440p touchpad replacement failed :( References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160828014605.6ym5phgwsekpzzei@jadzia.comodo.priv.at> <20160828141808.GK28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: > Sadly, that's the kind of documentation manufacturers of all kinds of > things offer. More important than engineers' review is the lawyers' > review, and in many cases IME the lawyers add false and misleading > information in the interest of protecting the company from possible > liability. FWIW, I found Lenovo's hardware maintenance manuals to be much better than the average (actually, for most other machines I've had I couldn't even find such maintenance manuals; not to mention the Apple-style tendency to make it as hard as possible for normal users to perform maintenance). For some, a video might be easier to follow, but at least it was good enough for me (my own experience being with X30, T60, T61, and X201s. No experience with the more recent machines). Stefan From linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org Wed Aug 31 09:18:06 2016 From: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org (Hendrik-Jan Heins) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:18:06 +0200 Subject: [ltp] Re: T440p touchpad replacement failed :( In-Reply-To: References: <20160826202716.GE28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160827150259.GG28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> <20160828014605.6ym5phgwsekpzzei@jadzia.comodo.priv.at> <20160828141808.GK28999@harrier.slackbuilds.org> Message-ID: --001a114ab838a55da3053b59bc56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The documentation and the manuals are a big reason for me to buy Thinkpads. I know of no other supplier that delivers such a complete documentation package and has it available for so long. Most laptop manufacturers remove documentation about their products after less than 3 years. IBM/Lenovo is somewhat unique in this respect. This, and the trackpoints are the 2 reasons I always bought Thinkpads. 2016-08-31 3:14 GMT+02:00 Stefan Monnier : > > Sadly, that's the kind of documentation manufacturers of all kinds of > > things offer. More important than engineers' review is the lawyers' > > review, and in many cases IME the lawyers add false and misleading > > information in the interest of protecting the company from possible > > liability. > > FWIW, I found Lenovo's hardware maintenance manuals to be much better > than the average (actually, for most other machines I've had I couldn't > even find such maintenance manuals; not to mention the Apple-style > tendency to make it as hard as possible for normal users to perform > maintenance). > > For some, a video might be easier to follow, but at least it was good > enough for me (my own experience being with X30, T60, T61, and X201s. > No experience with the more recent machines). > > > Stefan > > -- > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: > http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad > --001a114ab838a55da3053b59bc56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The documentation and the manuals are a big reason fo= r me to buy Thinkpads. I know of no other supplier that delivers such a com= plete documentation package and has it available for so long. Most laptop m= anufacturers remove documentation about their products after less than 3 ye= ars. IBM/Lenovo is somewhat unique in this respect.

This, and the = trackpoints are the 2 reasons I always bought Thinkpads.

2016-08-31 3:14 GMT+02:00 = Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
> Sadly, that's the kind of= documentation manufacturers of all kinds of
> things offer.=C2=A0 More important than engineers' review is the l= awyers'
> review, and in many cases IME the lawyers add false and misleading
> information in the interest of protecting the company from possible > liability.

FWIW, I found Lenovo's hardware maintenance manuals to be much b= etter
than the average (actually, for most other machines I've had I couldn&#= 39;t
even find such maintenance manuals; not to mention the Apple-style
tendency to make it as hard as possible for normal users to perform
maintenance).

For some, a video might be easier to follow, but at least it was good
enough for me (my own experience being with X30, T60, T61, and X201s.
No experience with the more recent machines).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan

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