From tkevans at tkevans.com Sun Jul 12 18:32:12 2020 From: tkevans at tkevans.com (Tim Evans) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:32:12 -0400 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking Message-ID: Not specifically Linux... My T530 is doing a lot of clicking as I hold it here in my lap. I believe this sound is from whatever senses removal/replacement of the power cord (and therefore switches the laptop from wallplug to battery power--or back). This distintive double-click sound, in fact, has occured five or six times during the typing of this message. As this clicking occurs, I can see the battery charge indicator on my Fedora Gnome desktop go from "charge" to "running on battery" and back. Screen also flashes. I had a similar issue long ago with a T61 and finally narrowed it down to the original Lenovo power supply cable not being right-sized for an after-market 9-cell battery. In the current situation, however, the power supply and battery are all the true Lenovo originals that came with the system. So, am I looking at a failing battery? Bad power supply/cord? Something else? Thanks for help. -- Tim Evans |5 Chestnut Court 443-394-3864 |Owings Mills, MD 21117 From tkevans at tkevans.com Sun Jul 19 16:11:31 2020 From: tkevans at tkevans.com (Tim Evans) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:11:31 -0400 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/12/20 12:32 PM, Tim Evans wrote: > Not specifically Linux... > > My T530 is doing a lot of clicking as I hold it here in my lap.  I > believe this sound is from whatever senses removal/replacement of the > power cord (and therefore switches the laptop from wallplug to battery > power--or back).  This distintive double-click sound, in fact, has > occured five or six times during the typing of this message. > > As this clicking occurs, I can see the battery charge indicator on my > Fedora Gnome desktop go from "charge" to "running on battery" and back. > Screen also flashes. > > I had a similar issue long ago with a T61 and finally narrowed it down > to the original Lenovo power supply cable not being right-sized for an > after-market 9-cell battery. > > In the current situation, however, the power supply and battery are all > the true Lenovo originals that came with the system. > > So, am I looking at a failing battery?  Bad power supply/cord? Something > else? > > Thanks for help. Following up on this, as I've had no replies. I replaced the factory-installed battery with a new, Lenovo-branded one. Nothing's changed. When running Fedora 32, I still hear the click-CLICK and CLICK-click when power switches from wallplug to battery and back again as the laptop moves around a bit in my lap. Booted in Windows 10, I see the on-off pattern with the on-screen battery icon, but don't hear the clicks. Thanks. -- Tim Evans |5 Chestnut Court 443-394-3864 |Owings Mills, MD 21117 From keithl at kl-ic.com Mon Jul 20 02:51:12 2020 From: keithl at kl-ic.com (Keith Lofstrom) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:51:12 -0700 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200720005111.GB4096@gate.kl-ic.com> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 10:11:31AM -0400, Tim Evans wrote: >So, am I looking at a failing battery?  Bad power supply/cord? The barrel sockets on the motherboard that connect to the barrel plug on the AC adapter can fail; it's a high stress point. I've replaced a few. Some are soldered, some connect with a plug. Some thinkpads are sheer hell to tear down to reach that socket (or the fan, which also fails), some are easier. Some teardowns require removing the heatsink from the CPU. If so, you will need replacement thermal compound before you start. When you tear down, find a copy of the Hardware Maintenance Manual if possible. Also, use a plastic ice cube tray to store the screws in the order that you remove them. Tape the tray down firmly, you don't want it tumbling. Take copious notes, and photos if possible. Pay attention, avoid distractions, lock the spouse and children and pets in a closet, then savor your first teardown, and the glow of pride when it almost works. Don't forget to unlock the closet. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom keithl at keithl.com From info at homecredit.ph Mon Jul 20 12:01:04 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:01:04 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFH5E2Q5GFE@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. We're currently working on a skeletal workforce due to the Covid-19 pandemic and it may take us 4-5 days to respond to your email. We apologize for the delay. Para sa account specific concerns, please make sure na naisulat ninyo sa email ang inyong Loan Account Number at Date of Birth, para mapabilis ang inyong transaction. Here���s a quick guide para sa mga dapat asahan ngayong new normal: Para sa mga loan customers na nag-avail ng grace period para sa mga due dates mula March 17-May 31, ang inyong loan term ay na-extend at ito ay naka-reflect na sa mobile app. Makikita rin ang equivalent na accrued interest para dito. 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URL: From rasp at spitzner.org Sun Jul 19 18:11:13 2020 From: rasp at spitzner.org (Ralph Spitzner) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 18:11:13 +0200 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8568e82e.AMMAAHfhO3kAAAAAAAAAALGPIagAAAAGbSAAAAAAAAqSyQBfFHCj@mailjet.com> Tim Evans wrote on 7/19/20 4:11 PM: [...] just try slowly moving/ bending the plug, while the laptop sits on a table... -- "ich brauche keine Verschluesselung, mich versteht eh keiner" -Icke From rasp at spitzner.org Sun Jul 19 18:08:33 2020 From: rasp at spitzner.org (Ralph Spitzner) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 18:08:33 +0200 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094ac67.AUsAAAb0RjYAAAAAAAAAALGPIagAAAAGbSAAAAAAAAqSyQBfFHAQ@mailjet.com> Tim Evans wrote on 7/19/20 4:11 PM: > On 7/12/20 12:32 PM, Tim Evans wrote: >> Not specifically Linux... >> >> My T530 is doing a lot of clicking as I hold it here in my lap. I believe this sound is from whatever senses removal/replacement of the power cord (and therefore switches the laptop from wallplug to battery power--or back).  This distintive double-click sound, in fact, has occured five or six times during the typing of this message. >> >> As this clicking occurs, I can see the battery charge indicator on my Fedora Gnome desktop go from "charge" to "running on battery" and back. Screen also flashes. >> >> I had a similar issue long ago with a T61 and finally narrowed it down to the original Lenovo power supply cable not being right-sized for an after-market 9-cell battery. >> >> In the current situation, however, the power supply and battery are all the true Lenovo originals that came with the system. >> >> So, am I looking at a failing battery?  Bad power supply/cord? Something else? >> >> Thanks for help. > > Following up on this, as I've had no replies. > > I replaced the factory-installed battery with a new, Lenovo-branded one.  Nothing's changed.  When running Fedora 32, I still hear the click-CLICK and CLICK-click when power switches from wallplug to battery and back again as the laptop moves around a bit in my lap. > > Booted in Windows 10, I see the on-off pattern with the on-screen battery icon, but don't hear the clicks. > > Thanks. well you're almost certainly looking at a faulty power plug, either cable end or more likely a loose socket in the thinkpad. these are the only two things moving on your lap....     -rasp -- "ich brauche keine Verschluesselung, mich versteht eh keiner" -Icke From thomas at ruecker.fi Sun Jul 19 18:29:41 2020 From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?utf-8?B?IlRob21hcyBCLiBSw7xja2VyIg==?=) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:29:41 +0300 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <690342B2-6219-418F-BA50-CC3E97E131BC@ruecker.fi> > On 19. Jul 2020, at 17.11, Tim Evans wrote: > > On 7/12/20 12:32 PM, Tim Evans wrote: >> Not specifically Linux... >> My T530 is doing a lot of clicking as I hold it here in my lap. I believe this sound is from whatever senses removal/replacement of the power cord (and therefore switches the laptop from wallplug to battery power--or back). This distintive double-click sound, in fact, has occured five or six times during the typing of this message. >> As this clicking occurs, I can see the battery charge indicator on my Fedora Gnome desktop go from "charge" to "running on battery" and back. Screen also flashes. >> I had a similar issue long ago with a T61 and finally narrowed it down to the original Lenovo power supply cable not being right-sized for an after-market 9-cell battery. >> In the current situation, however, the power supply and battery are all the true Lenovo originals that came with the system. >> So, am I looking at a failing battery? Bad power supply/cord? Something else? >> Thanks for help. > > Following up on this, as I've had no replies. > > I replaced the factory-installed battery with a new, Lenovo-branded one. Nothing's changed. When running Fedora 32, I still hear the click-CLICK and CLICK-click when power switches from wallplug to battery and back again as the laptop moves around a bit in my lap. > > Booted in Windows 10, I see the on-off pattern with the on-screen battery icon, but don't hear the clicks. This sound like a contact or power delivery problem to me. I’ve seen this mostly when the short part of the power supply cable between ferrite core and plug was breaking up. Most of the time the shield mesh breaks apart. Unless you are really handy with a soldering iron, then a new power supply is the easiest way forward. I’d test it first with a second power supply, because indeed it could also be on the ThinkPad side. E.g. a worn out receptacle. In the latter case testing if it happens when docked would be a good idea. Cheers, TBR From tkevans at tkevans.com Mon Jul 20 18:49:56 2020 From: tkevans at tkevans.com (Tim Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:49:56 -0400 Subject: [ltp] T530 Battery Clicking In-Reply-To: <690342B2-6219-418F-BA50-CC3E97E131BC@ruecker.fi> References: <690342B2-6219-418F-BA50-CC3E97E131BC@ruecker.fi> Message-ID: On 7/19/20 12:29 PM, "Thomas B. Rücker" wrote: > >> On 19. Jul 2020, at 17.11, Tim Evans wrote: >> >> On 7/12/20 12:32 PM, Tim Evans wrote: >>> Not specifically Linux... >>> My T530 is doing a lot of clicking as I hold it here in my lap. I believe this sound is from whatever senses removal/replacement of the power cord (and therefore switches the laptop from wallplug to battery power--or back). This distintive double-click sound, in fact, has occured five or six times during the typing of this message. >>> As this clicking occurs, I can see the battery charge indicator on my Fedora Gnome desktop go from "charge" to "running on battery" and back. Screen also flashes. >>> I had a similar issue long ago with a T61 and finally narrowed it down to the original Lenovo power supply cable not being right-sized for an after-market 9-cell battery. >>> In the current situation, however, the power supply and battery are all the true Lenovo originals that came with the system. >>> So, am I looking at a failing battery? Bad power supply/cord? Something else? >>> Thanks for help. >> >> Following up on this, as I've had no replies. >> >> I replaced the factory-installed battery with a new, Lenovo-branded one. Nothing's changed. When running Fedora 32, I still hear the click-CLICK and CLICK-click when power switches from wallplug to battery and back again as the laptop moves around a bit in my lap. >> >> Booted in Windows 10, I see the on-off pattern with the on-screen battery icon, but don't hear the clicks. > > > This sound like a contact or power delivery problem to me. > I’ve seen this mostly when the short part of the power supply cable between ferrite core and plug was breaking up. Most of the time the shield mesh breaks apart. Unless you are really handy with a soldering iron, then a new power supply is the easiest way forward. > > I’d test it first with a second power supply, because indeed it could also be on the ThinkPad side. E.g. a worn out receptacle. > In the latter case testing if it happens when docked would be a good idea. Thank you, Thomas. I've ordered a replacement power supply. Found the exact Lenovo-branded item for less than $10, with free shipping--from, of all places, WalMart. -- Tim Evans |5 Chestnut Court 443-394-3864 |Owings Mills, MD 21117 From info at homecredit.ph Tue Jul 21 12:01:21 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:01:21 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] [External]Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFH5E2Q88KD@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. We're currently working on a skeletal workforce due to the Covid-19 pandemic and it may take us 4-5 days to respond to your email. We apologize for the delay. Para sa account specific concerns, please make sure na naisulat ninyo sa email ang inyong Loan Account Number at Date of Birth, para mapabilis ang inyong transaction. 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After putting things back into place and closing the machine, I now see that while the keyboard itself works fine, the trackpoint (and its 3 mouse buttons) doesn't work any more. I tried to reopen it re-disconnect and re-connect the keyboard, but that didn't help. Then I tried to swap the keyboard with that of my T60, and lo and behold, both the T61's keyboard and the T60's keyboard work fine (including trackpoint) in the T60 and the trackpoints of both keyboards fail to work in the T61, showing clearly that the problem is not in the keyboard part but in the machine/mainboard :-( This is a major blow because I *much* prefer the trackpoint over the touchpad (a large part of the reason why I love Thinkpads) and I love this T61: it's my everyday work laptop; still the best laptop I can find with the tallest screen that fits comfortably in my backpack. Any idea what might be going on and what I might do to fix it? Stefan From info at homecredit.ph Thu Jul 23 12:01:00 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:01:00 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] [External]Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFH5E2QEB3R@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. We're currently working on a skeletal workforce due to the Covid-19 pandemic and it may take us 4-5 days to respond to your email. We apologize for the delay. Para sa account specific concerns, please make sure na naisulat ninyo sa email ang inyong Loan Account Number at Date of Birth, para mapabilis ang inyong transaction. Here���s a quick guide para sa mga dapat asahan ngayong new normal: Para sa mga loan customers na nag-avail ng grace period para sa mga due dates mula March 17-May 31, ang inyong loan term ay na-extend at ito ay naka-reflect na sa mobile app. Makikita rin ang equivalent na accrued interest para dito. 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You just need to make sure to keep your account updated according to the new installment schedule. > * For credit card customers, siguraduhing magbayad ng at least minimum amount due para mapanatiling active ang inyong card at maiwasan ang late payment fee. > * Maaari ninyong puntahan ang _bit.ly/HCPayNow _ para magbayad online o tignan ang list of available payment partners _dito ._ > * Para sa mga enrolled sa ADA, we have resumed regular bank debiting on your loan due date in the month of June.  We will resume regular debiting *three days* before your due date from *July 1 due date onwards*. > > -- "ich brauche keine Verschluesselung, mich versteht eh keiner" -Icke From info at homecredit.ph Sat Jul 25 12:02:06 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:02:06 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] [External]Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFH5E2QKX65@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. 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The 8 GB in the offered machine will not always be enough, but the T450s is a bit cheaper which would outweigh the cost of extra RAM. - Are there noticeable differences performance-wise? The i5-7300 is two generations newer, but "only" an i5, and has 3 Mb cache instead of 4. Apart from office work, for which both machines should be way enough, I will also do some photo editing and to a limited extend video editing, obviously with an external monitor. - Does it make much difference that the T450s has DDR3-RAM as opposed to the DDR4 in the X270? - One plus of the X270 could be its USB-C-Connector. But apart from charging, I read in a review that there are issues with using it as graphics output for high resolution monitors. Any experience with that? - Generally, are there reasons that I have not mentioned that would make it smarter to choose either the X270 or the T450s, apart from size an weight? I am still a happy user of a T61 which runs smoothly with Linux an 8Gb of RAM, but now I need a second machine which is a bit more mobile, faster and supports Full HD. I'd rather always have a ThinkPad that's some years old than buying a newer "consumer" model at a similar price, because I want a reliable machine that really can take being carried around a lot. I'm happy for any help with making my choice! Thank you in advance! All the best, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Mon Jul 27 17:54:55 2020 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:54:55 -0400 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad References: Message-ID: > - Does anybody have experiences with running Linux on these machines? Any > known problems? I am planning to install Linux Mint Debian Edition or some > other Debian derived distro. I don't, sorry. Based on my experience with other Thinkpads and looking at the list of hardware that's inside, it *should* "just work". > - Are there known issues when upgrading the RAM on the T450s? The 8 GB in > the offered machine will not always be enough, but the T450s is a bit > cheaper which would outweigh the cost of extra RAM. According to thinkwiki, the machine has 4GB soldered on board and one free SODIMM slot that can take upto 8GB, so it seems like you won't be able to boost it to 16GB but only to 12GB (tho it's always possible that the slot can actually take a 16GB SODIMM, even tho it's not documented and I'm not sure where you could find a 16GB DDR3 SODIMM). > - Are there noticeable differences performance-wise? The i5-7300 is two > generations newer, but "only" an i5, and has 3 Mb cache instead of 4. Apart > from office work, for which both machines should be way enough, I will also > do some photo editing and to a limited extend video editing, obviously with > an external monitor. I wouldn't expect any noticeable difference in practice, no. > - Does it make much difference that the T450s has DDR3-RAM as opposed to the > DDR4 in the X270? The DDR4 memory is a bit faster, but I still wouldn't expect any noticeable difference in practice, no, especially since the X270 only has a single SODIMM, whereas the T450s has two (one of which is soldered), which should more than make up for it. > - One plus of the X270 could be its USB-C-Connector. But apart from > charging, I read in a review that there are issues with using it as graphics > output for high resolution monitors. Any experience with that? No experience, sorry. Any chance the reviewer's problems were linked to software bugs that can hope to be fixed overtime? > - Generally, are there reasons that I have not mentioned that would make it > smarter to choose either the X270 or the T450s, apart from size an weight? For me it would boil down to size (especially screen size), but check also the battery story (both its capacity and the ease with which it can be replaced). Sadly the thinkwiki doesn't have an entry for the X270. > I am still a happy user of a T61 which runs smoothly with Linux an 8Gb of > RAM, but now I need a second machine which is a bit more mobile, faster and > supports Full HD. I'd rather always have a ThinkPad that's some years old > than buying a newer "consumer" model at a similar price, because I want > a reliable machine that really can take being carried around a lot. I know exactly what you mean (happy user of a T61 here as well). Stefan From info at homecredit.ph Tue Jul 28 12:01:27 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:01:27 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] [External]Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFH5E2QUEGK@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. 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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:14:52 +0300 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e0d460df743dbd3265cfeb2776b75ef2b9fd441.camel@posteo.de> On Mon, 2020-07-27 at 17:16 +0200, tomtom at tutanota.com wrote: > Hey out there! > I am currently planning to buy a refurbished ThinkPad. > > I found offers at similar prices for a T450s and a X270. > The T450 has an i7-5600U CPU and 8 Gb RAM, the X270 has an i5-7300U > CPU and 16 GB RAM, both have full HD IPS-Panels. > > - Does anybody have experiences with running Linux on these machines? > Not exactly, I own a x250. I can't complain (ArchLinux), everything "Just Works". The battery is a little weak for my tastes and getting alarger one is difficult: either very expensive, or risk of buying fake/broken China stuff. > Any known problems? I am planning to install Linux Mint Debian > Edition or some other Debian derived distro. > Keep in mind the known limitations of Debian Stable: anything newer than ~2 years might be problematic. > - One plus of the X270 could be its USB-C-Connector. But apart from > charging, I read in a review that there are issues with using it as > graphics output for high resolution monitors. Any experience with > that? > No, but I seem to remember a forum post to that effect somewhere. What are your requirements? Price, screen size, laptop size/weight? From mrunge at matthias-runge.de Tue Jul 28 14:54:03 2020 From: mrunge at matthias-runge.de (Matthias Runge) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:54:03 +0200 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29b41d0c-e5bc-e696-0bc6-215e67a4e8ad@matthias-runge.de> On 27/07/2020 17:16, tomtom at tutanota.com wrote: > Hey out there! > I am currently planning to buy a refurbished ThinkPad. > > I found offers at similar prices for a T450s and a X270. > The T450 has an i7-5600U CPU and 8 Gb RAM, the X270 has an i5-7300U CPU > and 16 GB RAM, both have full HD IPS-Panels. > > Apart from the display size and weight, I am uncertain as to which of > these machines will fit me better. > > Coming to my questions: > - Does anybody have experiences with running Linux on these machines? > Any known problems? I am planning to install Linux Mint Debian Edition > or some other Debian derived distro. > > - Are there known issues when upgrading the RAM on the T450s? The 8 GB > in the offered machine will not always be enough, but the T450s is a bit > cheaper which would outweigh the cost of extra RAM. > Hi there, I have two 450s with Linux running here. They are solid machines, one has 4(8?) Gigs, one has 12 GB RAM. They last for about 5 hours on battery. One word of warning though, this machine has two batteries, one internal and one "standard" notebook battery, which you can replace on your own. When one of these batteries runs empty, the laptop will shut down. With that, make sure when buying such a laptop, make sure the internal battery is good, since it's harder to replace. Matthias From summerjob at posteo.de Tue Jul 28 15:17:24 2020 From: summerjob at posteo.de (D.T.) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:17:24 +0300 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <29b41d0c-e5bc-e696-0bc6-215e67a4e8ad@matthias-runge.de> References: <29b41d0c-e5bc-e696-0bc6-215e67a4e8ad@matthias-runge.de> Message-ID: <267b274456038ab61183aa460b756a6189a59951.camel@posteo.de> On Tue, 2020-07-28 at 14:54 +0200, Matthias Runge wrote: > > One word of warning though, this machine has two batteries, one > internal > and one "standard" notebook battery, which you can replace on your > own. > When one of these batteries runs empty, the laptop will shut down. I don't know about your 450s, but my x250 (which also has 1 internal & 1 external battery) shuts down after _both_ batteries are depleted. From mark at dymek.me Tue Jul 28 15:31:31 2020 From: mark at dymek.me (Mark Dymek) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:31:31 -0400 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> any thinkpad will run any form of linux perfectly. what model to buy depends on your budget. how much are you will to spend? what features do you want? touchscreens oleds cost more. imo stick with the business line the t series great value for money and bulit like tanks. On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > - Does anybody have experiences with running Linux on these machines? Any > > known problems? I am planning to install Linux Mint Debian Edition or some > > other Debian derived distro. > > I don't, sorry. Based on my experience with other Thinkpads and looking > at the list of hardware that's inside, it *should* "just work". > > > - Are there known issues when upgrading the RAM on the T450s? The 8 GB in > > the offered machine will not always be enough, but the T450s is a bit > > cheaper which would outweigh the cost of extra RAM. > > According to thinkwiki, the machine has 4GB soldered on board and one > free SODIMM slot that can take upto 8GB, so it seems like you won't be > able to boost it to 16GB but only to 12GB (tho it's always possible > that the slot can actually take a 16GB SODIMM, even tho it's not > documented and I'm not sure where you could find a 16GB DDR3 SODIMM). > > > - Are there noticeable differences performance-wise? The i5-7300 is two > > generations newer, but "only" an i5, and has 3 Mb cache instead of 4. Apart > > from office work, for which both machines should be way enough, I will also > > do some photo editing and to a limited extend video editing, obviously with > > an external monitor. > > I wouldn't expect any noticeable difference in practice, no. > > > - Does it make much difference that the T450s has DDR3-RAM as opposed to the > > DDR4 in the X270? > > The DDR4 memory is a bit faster, but I still wouldn't expect any > noticeable difference in practice, no, especially since the X270 only > has a single SODIMM, whereas the T450s has two (one of which is > soldered), which should more than make up for it. > > > - One plus of the X270 could be its USB-C-Connector. But apart from > > charging, I read in a review that there are issues with using it as graphics > > output for high resolution monitors. Any experience with that? > > No experience, sorry. Any chance the reviewer's problems were linked to > software bugs that can hope to be fixed overtime? > > > - Generally, are there reasons that I have not mentioned that would make it > > smarter to choose either the X270 or the T450s, apart from size an weight? > > For me it would boil down to size (especially screen size), but check > also the battery story (both its capacity and the ease with which it can > be replaced). > Sadly the thinkwiki doesn't have an entry for the X270. > > > I am still a happy user of a T61 which runs smoothly with Linux an 8Gb of > > RAM, but now I need a second machine which is a bit more mobile, faster and > > supports Full HD. I'd rather always have a ThinkPad that's some years old > > than buying a newer "consumer" model at a similar price, because I want > > a reliable machine that really can take being carried around a lot. > > I know exactly what you mean (happy user of a T61 here as well). > > > Stefan > > -- > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: > http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomtom at tutanota.com Tue Jul 28 16:07:48 2020 From: tomtom at tutanota.com (tomtom at tutanota.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:07:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> References: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies so far! To the questions about my requirements: Well, I would like it to be considerably lighter than the T61 I have, be equipped with a full hd IPS panel if available, and more than 8 GB of RAM should be possible. And the overall performance should be good enough that I don't have to think about buying another one the next years. The screen size is not so important to me, the 12,5 inch of the X270 would be enough and the 14 inch of the T450s would still be good to fit into a backpack. If I do things that require a bigger screen size, I will work with an external monitor anyways. In terms of budget, I found the two discussed models at around the same price, with the T450s a bit cheaper but with only 8 GB of RAM (with 4 soldered to the board). As it seems, upgrading it to 12 GB would be rather easy and cheap, but upgrading to 20 GB is rather expensive, as 16 GB sodimm ddr3 is rather rare and the prices high. Or does anyone know a good source for it? 12 GB would probably be totally enough most of the time, but I'd prefer to have the option to have more. Apart from that, I'm wondering how big the differences will be performance-wise, but it seems like the the two models are rather similar with the offered (i7-5600U and i5-7300U) CPUs (?) In terms oft ruggedness, I thought the X2x0 series is about the same as the T-Series, or is it not? Thanks again for all replies! 28. Juli 2020, 15:31 von mark at dymek.me: > any thinkpad will run any form of linux perfectly. what model to buy depends on your budget. how much are you will to spend? what features do you want? touchscreens oleds cost more. imo stick with the business line the t series great value for money and bulit like tanks. > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > - Does anybody have experiences with running Linux on these machines? Any >> > known problems? I am planning to install Linux Mint Debian Edition or some >> > other Debian derived distro. >> >> I don't, sorry.  Based on my experience with other Thinkpads and looking >> at the list of hardware that's inside, it *should* "just work". >> >> > - Are there known issues when upgrading the RAM on the T450s? The 8 GB in >> > the offered machine will not always be enough, but the T450s is a bit >> > cheaper which would outweigh the cost of extra RAM. >> >> According to thinkwiki, the machine has 4GB soldered on board and one >> free SODIMM slot that can take upto 8GB, so it seems like you won't be >> able to boost it to 16GB but only to 12GB (tho it's always possible >> that the slot can actually take a 16GB SODIMM, even tho it's not >> documented and I'm not sure where you could find a 16GB DDR3 SODIMM). >> >> > - Are there noticeable differences performance-wise? The i5-7300 is two >> > generations newer, but "only" an i5, and has 3 Mb cache instead of 4. Apart >> > from office work, for which both machines should be way enough, I will also >> > do some photo editing and to a limited extend video editing, obviously with >> > an external monitor. >> >> I wouldn't expect any noticeable difference in practice, no. >> >> > - Does it make much difference that the T450s has DDR3-RAM as opposed to the >> > DDR4 in the X270? >> >> The DDR4 memory is a bit faster, but I still wouldn't expect any >> noticeable difference in practice, no, especially since the X270 only >> has a single SODIMM, whereas the T450s has two (one of which is >> soldered), which should more than make up for it. >> >> > - One plus of the X270 could be its USB-C-Connector. But apart from >> > charging, I read in a review that there are issues with using it as graphics >> > output for high resolution monitors. Any experience with that? >> >> No experience, sorry.  Any chance the reviewer's problems were linked to >> software bugs that can hope to be fixed overtime? >> >> > - Generally, are there reasons that I have not mentioned that would make it >> > smarter to choose either the X270 or the T450s, apart from size an weight? >> >> For me it would boil down to size (especially screen size), but check >> also the battery story (both its capacity and the ease with which it can >> be replaced). >> Sadly the thinkwiki doesn't have an entry for the X270. >> >> > I am still a happy user of a T61 which runs smoothly with Linux an 8Gb of >> > RAM, but now I need a second machine which is a bit more mobile, faster and >> > supports Full HD. I'd rather always have a ThinkPad that's some years old >> > than buying a newer "consumer" model at a similar price, because I want >> > a reliable machine that really can take being carried around a lot. >> >> I know exactly what you mean (happy user of a T61 here as well). >> >> >>         Stefan >> >> --  >> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: >> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sampablokuper at posteo.net Tue Jul 28 16:58:20 2020 From: sampablokuper at posteo.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:58:20 +0100 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> References: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <20200728145820.q7aafme6tz5huwz5@posteo.net> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 09:31:31AM -0400, Mark Dymek wrote: > any thinkpad will run any form of linux perfectly. Alas, I think that is an overstatement. Last time I checked (quite some time ago, admittedly, so I'm happy to be corrected), most Thinkpads required non-free drivers, e.g. for their wireless network cards. That precludes running a fully-free GNU/Linux distro if you want the relevant functionality, unless you replace the offending hardware. E.g. swap out the problematic wireless network card for one that supports libre firmware (you can buy such cards from ThinkPenguin, among others). But performing such a swap is not straightforward, because most (all?) models of Thinkpad ship from Lenovo with a BIOS/(U)EFI that whitelists only the specific expansion cards that Lenovo expects to install at the factory. Libre-supported WiFi cards are usually not on those whitelists. This means that if you install such a card into your Thinkpad in place of the original card, the BIOS/(U)EFI will refuse to boot your operating system. The workaround for that is to replace the proprietary BIOS/(U)EFI with a libre one such as Coreboot (or one of its downstream distributions, e.g. Libreboot), but Coreboot is not fully functional on every model of Thinkpad. See the hardware compatibility lists (HCLs) here: - https://coreboot.org/status/board-status.html - https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/ Replacing the BIOS/(U)EFI may require you to open the Thinkpad case and use a SOIC clip or similar, plus some suitable interfacing hardware such as a Raspberry Pi or a BusPirate. OP, if you want to skip that DIY step and buy a laptop with Coreboot already installed (including ThinkPad models that have had Coreboot installed by the vendor), then see https://doc.coreboot.org/distributions.html Good luck, Sam -- A: When it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: When is top-posting a bad thing? () ASCII ribbon campaign. Please avoid HTML emails & proprietary /\ file formats. (Why? See e.g. https://v.gd/jrmGbS ). Thank you. From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Tue Jul 28 17:26:46 2020 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:26:46 -0400 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad References: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> <20200728145820.q7aafme6tz5huwz5@posteo.net> Message-ID: >> any thinkpad will run any form of linux perfectly. > Alas, I think that is an overstatement. > Last time I checked (quite some time ago, admittedly, so I'm happy to be > corrected), most Thinkpads required non-free drivers, e.g. for their > wireless network cards. I think that is also true for AMD GPUs (not sure what else might be affected, but bluetooth modules seem likely candidates as well). > But performing such a swap is not straightforward, because most (all?) > models of Thinkpad ship from Lenovo with a BIOS/(U)EFI that whitelists > only the specific expansion cards that Lenovo expects to install at the > factory. Indeed. For some models, you might be able to find hacked firmwares where the whitelist is disabled (that's what I use on my T61). Use at your own risk, tho, of course. I saw a comment a while back about Lenovo dropping this ridiculous whitelist practice.... for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/31rnsv/t450_and_x250_no_longer_have_whitelists/ but I haven't been able to find any confirmation that this problem doesn't affect more recent models. Anyone? Stefan PS: BTW, it seems like the T450s *does* support 16GB SODIMMs and while they're not super-common, I found such dimm on newegg (which even explicitly mentions T450s) for about US$140, so the memory size limit is really 20GB. From charwhee at fastmail.com Tue Jul 28 18:00:34 2020 From: charwhee at fastmail.com (Charlie Wheeler) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:00:34 -0700 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: References: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: I use an x260 and the battery life is superb. If you get the large external battery, 10+ hours easy. I have the standard one, and no complaints. Pretty sure they're hot-swappable too. x270 with a USB C would be even better. Lenovo still sells them new at a deep discount as well. You might still be able to add a 3-year warranty, even on a used one - totally worth it if you're mobile in my opinion. Also, there's a company that sells NOS Thinkpads on Newegg with maxed out specs, which is pretty sweet. Used he service manual to replace my screen, so if you're DIY, the resources for these things are just the best! Installed Ubuntu Budgie dual-boot with Windows on mine and it was super easy to configure. I'm sure you could get Debian up and running with few issues. I've got 8gigs of RAM, and I'm thinking of moving up to 16, but I read somewhere that since it's a single instead of a dual slot, not all the ram can be used and it's not as fast. IMO, using an SSD has made the biggest difference by far in the speed of my machine. I also have an old x40 that I use with Arch, and it's amazing what a difference installing an SSD made. Whether an x270 is acceptable for photo work is another question - it really depends on your expectations but definitely more RAM is better. CRW On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, at 7:07 AM, tomtom at tutanota.com wrote: > Thanks for all the replies so far! > > To the questions about my requirements: > Well, I would like it to be considerably lighter than the T61 I have, be equipped with a full hd IPS panel if available, and more than 8 GB of RAM should be possible. And the overall performance should be good enough that I don't have to think about buying another one the next years. The screen size is not so important to me, the 12,5 inch of the X270 would be enough and the 14 inch of the T450s would still be good to fit into a backpack. If I do things that require a bigger screen size, I will work with an external monitor anyways. > > In terms of budget, I found the two discussed models at around the same price, with the T450s a bit cheaper but with only 8 GB of RAM (with 4 soldered to the board). As it seems, upgrading it to 12 GB would be rather easy and cheap, but upgrading to 20 GB is rather expensive, as 16 GB sodimm ddr3 is rather rare and the prices high. Or does anyone know a good source for it? > > 12 GB would probably be totally enough most of the time, but I'd prefer to have the option to have more. > > Apart from that, I'm wondering how big the differences will be performance-wise, but it seems like the the two models are rather similar with the offered (i7-5600U and i5-7300U) CPUs (?) > > In terms oft ruggedness, I thought the X2x0 series is about the same as the T-Series, or is it not? > > Thanks again for all replies! > > > 28. Juli 2020, 15:31 von mark at dymek.me: >> any thinkpad will run any form of linux perfectly. what model to buy depends on your budget. how much are you will to spend? what features do you want? touchscreens oleds cost more. imo stick with the business line the t series great value for money and bulit like tanks. >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> > - Does anybody have experiences with running Linux on these machines? Any >>> > known problems? I am planning to install Linux Mint Debian Edition or some >>> > other Debian derived distro. >>> >>> I don't, sorry. Based on my experience with other Thinkpads and looking >>> at the list of hardware that's inside, it *should* "just work". >>> >>> > - Are there known issues when upgrading the RAM on the T450s? The 8 GB in >>> > the offered machine will not always be enough, but the T450s is a bit >>> > cheaper which would outweigh the cost of extra RAM. >>> >>> According to thinkwiki, the machine has 4GB soldered on board and one >>> free SODIMM slot that can take upto 8GB, so it seems like you won't be >>> able to boost it to 16GB but only to 12GB (tho it's always possible >>> that the slot can actually take a 16GB SODIMM, even tho it's not >>> documented and I'm not sure where you could find a 16GB DDR3 SODIMM). >>> >>> > - Are there noticeable differences performance-wise? The i5-7300 is two >>> > generations newer, but "only" an i5, and has 3 Mb cache instead of 4. Apart >>> > from office work, for which both machines should be way enough, I will also >>> > do some photo editing and to a limited extend video editing, obviously with >>> > an external monitor. >>> >>> I wouldn't expect any noticeable difference in practice, no. >>> >>> > - Does it make much difference that the T450s has DDR3-RAM as opposed to the >>> > DDR4 in the X270? >>> >>> The DDR4 memory is a bit faster, but I still wouldn't expect any >>> noticeable difference in practice, no, especially since the X270 only >>> has a single SODIMM, whereas the T450s has two (one of which is >>> soldered), which should more than make up for it. >>> >>> > - One plus of the X270 could be its USB-C-Connector. But apart from >>> > charging, I read in a review that there are issues with using it as graphics >>> > output for high resolution monitors. Any experience with that? >>> >>> No experience, sorry. Any chance the reviewer's problems were linked to >>> software bugs that can hope to be fixed overtime? >>> >>> > - Generally, are there reasons that I have not mentioned that would make it >>> > smarter to choose either the X270 or the T450s, apart from size an weight? >>> >>> For me it would boil down to size (especially screen size), but check >>> also the battery story (both its capacity and the ease with which it can >>> be replaced). >>> Sadly the thinkwiki doesn't have an entry for the X270. >>> >>> > I am still a happy user of a T61 which runs smoothly with Linux an 8Gb of >>> > RAM, but now I need a second machine which is a bit more mobile, faster and >>> > supports Full HD. I'd rather always have a ThinkPad that's some years old >>> > than buying a newer "consumer" model at a similar price, because I want >>> > a reliable machine that really can take being carried around a lot. >>> >>> I know exactly what you mean (happy user of a T61 here as well). >>> >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> -- >>> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: >>> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad >> > > -- > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at: > http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From axel.braun at gmx.de Wed Jul 29 14:15:24 2020 From: axel.braun at gmx.de (Axel Braun) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:15:24 +0200 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17544921.st1rPoLxBH@x1e> Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020, 12:00:03 CEST schrieb linux-thinkpad- request at linux-thinkpad.org: > In terms of budget, I found the two discussed models at around the same > price, with the T450s a bit cheaper but with only 8 GB of RAM (with 4 > soldered to the board). As it seems, upgrading it to 12 GB would be rather > easy and cheap, but upgrading to 20 GB is rather expensive, as 16 GB sodimm > ddr3 is rather rare and the prices high. Or does anyone know a good source > for it? > > 12 GB would probably be totally enough most of the time, but I'd prefer to > have the option to have more. I would not stretch the RAM too much. I recently replaced my 8 year old T520 (8GB, 1TB SSD) with a X1Extreme Gen2 (16GB, 1TB Nvram), both running Tumbleweed. I mostly do office and packaging work (local compilations before checking in to OBS) , with 1 or 2 VM for testing. Even on the T520 is mostly some RAM left in boring state. On the X1E I did not use swap space so far More of a problem are the proprietary nvidia drivers, as they do not handle suspend very well. If you switch them off and use only Intel, you are fine. Otherwise you may end wth a black screen after resume and need to kill the X- Server. The SD card pcsc stack is as well not suspend-proof (fortunately I dont need it often) HTH Axel From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Wed Jul 29 16:07:52 2020 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:07:52 -0400 Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad References: <17544921.st1rPoLxBH@x1e> Message-ID: >> In terms of budget, I found the two discussed models at around the same >> price, with the T450s a bit cheaper but with only 8 GB of RAM (with 4 >> soldered to the board). As it seems, upgrading it to 12 GB would be rather >> easy and cheap, but upgrading to 20 GB is rather expensive, as 16 GB sodimm >> ddr3 is rather rare and the prices high. Or does anyone know a good source >> for it? >> >> 12 GB would probably be totally enough most of the time, but I'd prefer to >> have the option to have more. > > I would not stretch the RAM too much. I recently replaced my 8 year old T520 > (8GB, 1TB SSD) with a X1Extreme Gen2 (16GB, 1TB Nvram), both running > Tumbleweed. > I mostly do office and packaging work (local compilations before checking in > to OBS) , with 1 or 2 VM for testing. Even on the T520 is mostly some RAM left > in boring state. On the X1E I did not use swap space so far Then again, IIUC the OP is still using a T61, so he probably wants his new machine to last another 10 years. Maybe 12GB is plenty right now, but will it still be in 2030? BTW, talking about planning for the future: my past experience is that it can be worthwhile upgrading your RAM before you actually need it: the price of RAM sticks can increase once it becomes very old technology (and hence harder to find). So keep an eye on the price of those 16GB DDR3 sticks ;-) Stefan "who still doesn't notice much difference between his 3GB T60 and his 8GB T61, FWIW" From tomtom at tutanota.com Wed Jul 29 16:45:37 2020 From: tomtom at tutanota.com (tomtom at tutanota.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ltp] Help needed with choosing the right ThinkPad In-Reply-To: References: <69b488a0-cd82-4712-8491-a1cdac1cf7f8@www.fastmail.com> <20200728145820.q7aafme6tz5huwz5@posteo.net> Message-ID: Thanks again to all sharing their knowledge and opinions here! 28. Juli 2020, 17:26 von monnier at iro.umontreal.ca: >>> any thinkpad will run any form of linux perfectly. >>> >> Alas, I think that is an overstatement. >> Last time I checked (quite some time ago, admittedly, so I'm happy to be >> corrected), most Thinkpads required non-free drivers, e.g. for their >> wireless network cards. >> True. Even if you do use proprietary drivers, some things can require some research and work to get running. I've made the experience with bluetooth...  but I would agree that getting Linux running smoothly on a Thinkpad is probably easier than than on an "average Laptop", or the chance that it runs smoothly out of the box is higher. > PS: BTW, it seems like the T450s *does* support 16GB SODIMMs and while > they're not super-common, I found such dimm on newegg (which even > explicitly mentions T450s) for about US$140, so the memory size limit is > really 20GB. > Yes, I also found that it supports 16GB DDR3 SODIMMs, even though Lenovo doesn't officially say that. Just like the T61 officially wouldn't support 8GB of RAM, which it does. But I find the price for these modules rather high, it would be almost a third of the price I would pay for the T450s, for about the same price I can get 32GB DDR4 SODIMMs. RAM modules of an older generation, especially big ones, are usually more expensive than the newer one of the same size. So in terms of RAM, I tend to the X270, I would have 16GB to begin with and for about the same money I would spend to upgrade the T450s to 20GB I could even go up to 32GB (which the X270 seems to supports, inofficially). That seems way more than needed in everyday life, but for video editing it could be useful. One thing I like about the T450s, though is the option to use two SSDs - one 2,5 inch and one in the M.2 slot. As far as I understand, there should be the same possibility with the X270, but I found much less information about it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, according to https://thinkwiki.de/T450s, if you want to use an M.2 SSD in the T450s, it has to use the slot otherwise dedicated to the WWAN, it's apparently SATA-only, and it's limited to 2242 rather than the more common 2280 format. On the X270, there's a PCIe M.2 slot for the SSD (I assume it's 2280, but I couldn't find confirmation of it), and you can also use the M.@ WWAN slot for an additional 2242 SATA SSD. Stefan From info at homecredit.ph Thu Jul 30 12:02:04 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:02:04 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] [External]Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFJ4FQQ1UMA@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. We're currently working on a skeletal workforce due to the Covid-19 pandemic and it may take us 4-5 days to respond to your email. We apologize for the delay. 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Juli 2020, 12:00:02 CEST schrieb linux-thinkpad- request at linux-thinkpad.org: [...] > >> 12 GB would probably be totally enough most of the time, but I'd prefer > >> to > >> have the option to have more. > > > > I would not stretch the RAM too much. I recently replaced my 8 year old > > T520 (8GB, 1TB SSD) with a X1Extreme Gen2 (16GB, 1TB Nvram), both running > > Tumbleweed. > > I mostly do office and packaging work (local compilations before checking > > in to OBS) , with 1 or 2 VM for testing. Even on the T520 is mostly some > > RAM left in boring state. On the X1E I did not use swap space so far > > Then again, IIUC the OP is still using a T61, so he probably wants his > new machine to last another 10 years. Maybe 12GB is plenty right now, > but will it still be in 2030? yeah, predictions are always difficult, especially when they relate to the future. Depends on what you do with it, and what runs on it (as this is a Linux-list I guess it is not the standard mainstream bloatware). For me use case I found 16GB more than sufficient, and the 8GB on the old ThinkPad are still OK as well. Compared to an old dual-core desktop with 8GB as well teh T520 is even more performant due to the core-i7 with hyperthreading > BTW, talking about planning for the future: my past experience is that > it can be worthwhile upgrading your RAM before you actually need it: > the price of RAM sticks can increase once it becomes very old > technology (and hence harder to find). So keep an eye on the price of > those 16GB DDR3 sticks very true. ebay helps in any case > Stefan "who still doesn't notice much difference between his 3GB > T60 and his 8GB T61, FWIW" Axel (who noticed that the performance difference between T520 and E1E is in most cases not significant) From info at homecredit.ph Fri Jul 31 12:01:26 2020 From: info at homecredit.ph (info at homecredit.ph) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:01:26 +0800 (PHT) Subject: [ltp] [External]Linux-Thinkpad Digest, Vol 34, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0361QaFJ4FQQ4YPT@homecredit.ph> This is an automated response. We're currently working on a skeletal workforce due to the Covid-19 pandemic and it may take us 4-5 days to respond to your email. We apologize for the delay. Para sa account specific concerns, please make sure na naisulat ninyo sa email ang inyong Loan Account Number at Date of Birth, para mapabilis ang inyong transaction. 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