Ok sort of got a response, someone has put in untested support for the 937a what the 9379/DVD calls itself into the 3.9 development stream, however it does not work, so I am putting in Bill work into the server so we get support for the thinkpad next release. I hope (currenty 8bpp sort of works at 16bbp is freeky acid mode like when you get the suppend problem ;-) James