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Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:56:04 +0200

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phil@netroedge.com wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 02:23:55AM +0900, Byeong-ryeol Kim wrote:
> >
> > Do the distribution companies dare to provide to setup lm_sensors
> > thing automatically while they don't know hundreds of(or thousands of)
> > the hardwares which millions of users are using.

-- 8< --

> > I agree with you generally, but, while determining the fundamental
> > responsibility of a specific problem, "who is the culprit?" is more
> > important.
>
> Oh boy.  The call for a witch hunt.

No never.

> I'd find it difficult to blame anyone in the matter.  And, if you
> found someone to blame, what would you do?

Ask him to fix it ?

> Keep in mind that 'Lm_sensors' consists of a web site and some code.
> We don't ask that users download and install it, nor that distros
> download it to include in their distros.  We haven't received a $0.01
> from anyone, and we spent thousands of dollars of our own personal
> money on hardware and test equipment as well as 4 years of our time
> developing the project for 'kicks'.  In short: We are CRAZY! :')

Phil,

the work that you guys have done is extremely commendable. I really have
to raise my hat to you and the lm_sensors team.

Maybe we should be looking at a fix for the I2C bus. If another I2C based
application starts scanning the bus on a ThinkPad then we have the same
problem again. I haven't (for obvious reasons) tried playing with any of
the I2C stuff, but do you know if there is/would be a way of blocking
commands for a device/id i.e. the TP serial number chips ?

Ideas ? are there other packages that use I2C that we should be aware of
(and possibly scared of) ?

Bill

P.S. IMHO Vivek 's request for a warning on the lm_sensors' pages would
be a good idea (at least for TP users). Phil, would this be possible ?

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<tt>phil@netroedge.com wrote:</tt>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><tt>On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 02:23:55AM +0900, Byeong-ryeol
Kim wrote:</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> Do the distribution companies dare to provide to setup lm_sensors</tt>
 <tt>> thing automatically while they don't know hundreds of(or thousands
of)</tt>
 <tt>> the hardwares which millions of users are using.</tt></blockquote>
<tt>-- 8&lt; --</tt>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><tt>> I agree with you generally, but, while determining
the fundamental</tt>
 <tt>> responsibility of a specific problem, "who is the culprit?" is
more</tt>
 <tt>> important.</tt><tt></tt>
<tt>Oh boy.&nbsp; The call for a witch hunt.</tt></blockquote>
<tt>No never.</tt>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><tt>I'd find it difficult to blame anyone in the
matter.&nbsp; And, if you</tt>
 <tt>found someone to blame, what would you do?</tt></blockquote>
<tt>Ask him to fix it ?</tt>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><tt>Keep in mind that 'Lm_sensors' consists of a
web site and some code.</tt>
 <tt>We don't ask that users download and install it, nor that distros</tt>
 <tt>download it to include in their distros.&nbsp; We haven't received
a $0.01</tt>
 <tt>from anyone, and we spent thousands of dollars of our own personal</tt>
 <tt>money on hardware and test equipment as well as 4 years of our
time</tt>
 <tt>developing the project for 'kicks'.&nbsp; In short: We are CRAZY!
:')</tt></blockquote>
<tt>Phil,</tt><tt></tt>
<tt>the work that you guys have done is extremely commendable. I really
have</tt>
 <tt>to raise my hat to you and the lm_sensors team.</tt><tt></tt>
<tt>Maybe we should be looking at a fix for the I2C bus. If another
I2C based</tt>
 <tt>application starts scanning the bus on a ThinkPad then we have
the same</tt>
 <tt>problem again. I haven't (for obvious reasons) tried playing with
any of</tt>
 <tt>the I2C stuff, but do you know if there is/would be a way of blocking</tt>
 <tt>commands for a device/id i.e. the TP serial number chips ?</tt><tt></tt>
<tt>Ideas ? are there other packages that use I2C that we should be
aware of</tt>
 <tt>(and possibly scared of) ?</tt><tt></tt>
<tt>Bill</tt><tt></tt>
<tt>P.S. IMHO&nbsp;Vivek 's request for a warning on the lm_sensors'
pages would</tt>
 <tt>be a good idea (at least for TP users). Phil, would this be possible
?</tt></html>

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