[ltp] new T23 with wireless ... OK for Linux?
D. Sen
linux-thinkpad@www.bm-soft.com
Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:48:57 -0400
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Its not a problem under windows. From the little that I have been able to unearth,
the problem should be fixable with an appropriate driver/software. The problem is
that neither IBM nor S3 are willing to look into the problem. S3 is not releasing
the documentation for the chipsets meaning that any development effort by the
public has to be done blindly.
The versions of the T2x that came with the XGA (1024x768) native resolution doesnt
have this problem as far as I know. Its only the SXGA+ (1400x1050) machines that
have this problem ......and IBM never sold any of these with a linux preload
.........which means they didnt have to support them either (under linux).
If you are content on giving your presentations with windows then you shouldnt
have this problem.
"Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:
> Please correct me if I've misundertood
>
> -- Is this is a hardware problem that is also a problem under Windows?
> -- I assume SXGA+ is the native funny resolution (1400x1050) of the TP, yes?
> -- If I use a more standard resolution (1280x1024 or 1024x768) this is not
> a problem, yes? This wouldn't be a big problem for PPT presentations.
>
> I do most of my "work" under Linux, but most of my presentations under
> Windows/PPT. Likely I'll try to put vmware on it too.
>
> I have noticed only one native Linux T-series preload on IBM's pages ...
> wonder if that a bad omen. Weren't there more at one point?
> Maybe they've just phased out the non-DVD units and there's only one
> supported Linux DVD unit right now ... Anyone know??
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Previously, "D. Sen" wrote:
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> > Just be aware that the T21 with the SXGA+ resolution screen has a problem in
> > that it cannot reliably produce a simultaneous CRT and external
> > display under Linux (makes for extremely frustrating presentations). The T21s
> > (with SXGA+ resolution) have the Savage IX8 chipsets and the T23s
> > have the ProSavage chipsets. I have no idea whether the T23s will have the sa
> > me problem but I do notice that they are not selling one with
> > pre-installed Linux.....
> >
> > DS
> > "Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:
> >
> > > I was looking at the new T23 with built-in wireless (model 26479LU).
> > >
> > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=212991
> > 3&cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=73&shoptype=D
> > >
> > > Does anyone forsee any Linux compatibility problems with it?
> > > I do have a 600E that I've put Linux on, so I have some experience ...
> > >
> > > Comments most appreciated!
> > >
> > > -- Mike
> > >
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> > > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> > > http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html
> >
> > --
> > D. Sen, Room E167
> > AT&T Labs-Research
> > Shannon Laboratory
> > 180 Park Ave.
> > Florham Park NJ 07932-0971
> > Ph: 973-360-8546
> > http://www.research.att.com/~dsen
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> > Just be aware that the T21 with the SXGA+ resolution screen has a problem
> > in that it cannot reliably produce a simultaneous CRT and external display
> > under Linux (makes for extremely frustrating presentations). The T21s (with
> > SXGA+ resolution) have the Savage IX8 chipsets and the T23s have the ProSavag
> > e
> > chipsets. I have no idea whether the T23s will have the same problem
> > but I do notice that they are not selling one with pre-installed Linux.....
> > <p>DS
> > <br>"Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:
> > <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I was looking at the new T23 with built-in wireless
> > (model 26479LU).
> > <p><a href="http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrf
> > nbr=2129913&cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=73&shoptype=D">
> > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2129913&
> > amp;cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=73&
> > shoptype=D</a>
> > <p>Does anyone forsee any Linux compatibility problems with it?
> > <br>I do have a 600E that I've put Linux on, so I have some experience
> > ...
> > <p>Comments most appreciated!
> > <p>-- Mike
> > <p>----- The Linux ThinkPad mailing list -----
> > <br>The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
> > <br><a href="http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html">http://www.bm-soft.c
> > om/~bm/tp_mailing.html</a></blockquote>
> >
> > <p><br>--
> > <br>D. Sen, Room E167
> > <br>AT&T Labs-Research
> > <br>Shannon Laboratory
> > <br>180 Park Ave.
> > <br>Florham Park NJ 07932-0971
> > <br>Ph: 973-360-8546
> > <br><a href="http://www.research.att.com/~dsen">http://www.research.att.com/~
> > dsen</a>
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Its not a problem under windows. From the little that I have been able
to unearth, the problem should be fixable with an appropriate driver/software.
The problem is that neither IBM nor S3 are willing to look into the problem.
S3 is not releasing the documentation for the chipsets meaning that any
development effort by the public has to be done blindly.
<p>The versions of the T2x that came with the XGA (1024x768) native resolution
doesnt have this problem as far as I know. Its only the SXGA+ (1400x1050)
machines that have this problem ......and IBM never sold any of these with
a linux preload .........which means they didnt have to support them either
(under linux).
<p>If you are content on giving your presentations with windows then you
shouldnt have this problem.
<p>"Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Please correct me if I've misundertood
<p>-- Is this is a hardware problem that is also a problem under Windows?
<br>-- I assume SXGA+ is the native funny resolution (1400x1050) of the
TP, yes?
<br>-- If I use a more standard resolution (1280x1024 or 1024x768) this
is not
<br> a problem, yes? This wouldn't be a big problem
for PPT presentations.
<p>I do most of my "work" under Linux, but most of my presentations under
<br>Windows/PPT. Likely I'll try to put vmware on it too.
<p>I have noticed only one native Linux T-series preload on IBM's pages
...
<br>wonder if that a bad omen. Weren't there more at one point?
<br>Maybe they've just phased out the non-DVD units and there's only one
<br>supported Linux DVD unit right now ... Anyone know??
<p>Thanks again.
<p>Previously, "D. Sen" wrote:
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<br>> Just be aware that the T21 with the SXGA+ resolution screen has a
problem in
<br>> that it cannot reliably produce a simultaneous CRT and external
<br>> display under Linux (makes for extremely frustrating presentations).
The T21s
<br>> (with SXGA+ resolution) have the Savage IX8 chipsets and the
T23s
<br>> have the ProSavage chipsets. I have no idea whether the T23s will
have the sa
<br>> me problem but I do notice that they are not selling one with
<br>> pre-installed Linux.....
<br>>
<br>> DS
<br>> "Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > I was looking at the new T23 with built-in wireless (model 26479LU).
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=212991">http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=212991</a>
<br>> 3&cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=73&shoptype=D
<br>> >
<br>> > Does anyone forsee any Linux compatibility problems with it?
<br>> > I do have a 600E that I've put Linux on, so I have some experience
...
<br>> >
<br>> > Comments most appreciated!
<br>> >
<br>> > -- Mike
<br>> >
<br>> > ----- The Linux ThinkPad mailing list -----
<br>> > The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
<br>> > <a href="http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html">http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html</a>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> D. Sen, Room E167
<br>> AT&T Labs-Research
<br>> Shannon Laboratory
<br>> 180 Park Ave.
<br>> Florham Park NJ 07932-0971
<br>> Ph: 973-360-8546
<br>> <a href="http://www.research.att.com/~dsen">http://www.research.att.com/~dsen</a>
<br>>
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<br>> Just be aware that the T21 with the SXGA+ resolution screen has a
problem
<br>> in that it cannot reliably produce a simultaneous CRT and external
display
<br>> under Linux (makes for extremely frustrating presentations). The
T21s (with
<br>> SXGA+ resolution) have the Savage IX8 chipsets and the T23s have
the ProSavag
<br>> e
<br>> chipsets. I&nbsp;have no idea whether the T23s will have the
same problem
<br>> but I do notice that they are not selling one with pre-installed
Linux.....
<br>> <p>DS
<br>> <br>"Michael W. Godfrey" wrote:
<br>> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I was looking at the new T23 with built-in
wireless
<br>> (model 26479LU).
<br>> <p><a href="<a href="http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrf">http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrf</a>
<br>> nbr=2129913&cntrfnbr=1&prmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=73&shoptype=D">
<br>> <a href="http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2129913&">http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2129913&</a>
<br>> amp;cntrfnbr=1&amp;prmenbr=1&amp;cntry=840&amp;lang=en_US&amp;scrfnbr=73&amp;
<br>> shoptype=D</a>
<br>> <p>Does anyone forsee any Linux compatibility problems with it?
<br>> <br>I do have a 600E that I've put Linux on, so I have some experience
<br>> ...
<br>> <p>Comments most appreciated!
<br>> <p>-- Mike
<br>> <p>----- The Linux ThinkPad mailing list -----
<br>> <br>The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
<br>> <br><a href="<a href="http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html">http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp_mailing.html</a>"><a href="http://www.bm-soft.c">http://www.bm-soft.c</a>
<br>> om/~bm/tp_mailing.html</a></blockquote>
<br>>
<br>> <p><br>--
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<br>> <br>AT&amp;T Labs-Research
<br>> <br>Shannon Laboratory
<br>> <br>180 Park Ave.
<br>> <br>Florham Park NJ 07932-0971
<br>> <br>Ph: 973-360-8546
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<br>AT&T Labs-Research
<br>Shannon Laboratory
<br>180 Park Ave.
<br>Florham Park NJ 07932-0971
<br>Ph: 973-360-8546
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