[ltp] Gentoo

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Hi,

I'm dont like GENTOO for only on problem. GENTOO doesn't use a standard
/etc/init.d


Le mar 07/10/2003 à 20:18, Thomas de Grenier de Latour a écrit :
> I'm also an enthusiast gentoo user (for about 18 months now). I've used
> several other distributions before gentoo, including debian, redhat,
> mandrake and slackware, during at least 6 months for each
> of them. Here are some pieces of my opinion about gentoo in
> no particular order:
> 
>  - no, the main point of gentoo is not optimisation. For me, the
> ability to tweak cflags is only a side effect of its "source based"
> nature, but I only do it for some particular packages that really need
> it, as it can be done in binary distribution (using apt-build, etc.).
> 
>  - yes, USE flags are amazing, and I hardly imagine going back to a
> package system where the developers choose for me what are the features
> I want or don't want in a given application. It's this freedom
> which really implies installation from sources. 
> 
>  - yes, portage is a good packages manager. When you want to install
> something, all you have to do is to tell him "install something" and it
> takes care of dependencies, etc. Like apt-get, or urpmi? Yes. Nothing
> more, nothing less, it does the job.
> 
>  - no, compilation is not time consuming. Sure, mozilla installation
> will take 30 minutes (download included) on my T40 whereas it could have
> only took 5 or 10 with a binary distribution. And what, who cares? I can
> work, while it is compiling (portage has a "nice level" option), even
> browse the web using the previously installed version of mozilla. I can
> even sleep if it is really long (openoffice or kde are good examples).
> Are there really "real life" situations where you need your kde updated
> before the next 10 minutes? Are there "real life" situations where you
> suddenly receive an OOo document you absolutly need to open, but, too
> bad, you've never thought before that you might need this application so
> you've not installed it yet? Ok, this can happen for small utilities,
> the one you don't think of during your initial install, but this ones
> are fast to compile, in worst case they will take about as long as the
> source downloading. Again, who cares?
> 
>  - yes, the ebuild repository system, with it's continuous flow of new
> packages and updates, is a good thing. I've never been convinced by
> "snapshot" distributions: software is not wine, there is no benefice to
> wait six months before installing a version that fix bugs or add
> features. The "few days to few weeks" testing phase of gentoo package is
> enough to have the same quality as in any other distribution, and this
> system also has the benefit that there is never "big update day" where
> you reinstall the full distribution. But for people who prefer never
> upgrading anything but in case of security bug, it is also possible.
> Again, you're free.
> 
>  - no, gentoo is not only about packages management. There are many
> other good aspects. For instance, the init system is the first
> reasonnable one I've ever seen under linux: it is based on dependency
> and not on magic symlink numbering, it supports an arbitrary number of
> runlevels, etc. A great piece of scripting, and really a pleasure for an
> administrator. Configuration in general is well thought on gentoo, with
> cool tools like java-config to switch the system between all installed
> jvm, or dispatch-conf to update config files when you update some
> package and keep some backups in an RCS repository, and many many
> others. Really, gentoo is not just a collection of ./configure options
> for various programs, it is a real distribution.
> 
>  - documentation is good in general. 
> 
>  - the gentoo community is the most opened and friendly I've ever seen.
> This might not be objective, and might be because it is still young, but
> that's really my felling and has to be one of my good points for gentoo.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:31:19 +0200 (MEST)
> Ramon Casellas <casellas@infres.enst.fr> wrote:
> 
> > thanks for reading and sorry I bored you
> 
> Same here. It seems that gentooers are quite talkative.
> 
> -- 
> TGL.