[ltp] a question about thinkpad history

[Florian Manschwetus]

This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.

--------------ms030401010806080707010603
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

fire-eyes wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:19, David A. Desrosiers wrote:
>> How is an ATI graphics card not a "real" graphics card? I'm getting over
>> 2000+fps here with my ATI card in my Thinkpad T42p. Seems real enough
>> for me, and more than I need for this machine.
> 
> I tend to agree with him. From day one with a radeon 9000 in my desktop years 
> ago with atis drivers, I've had all kinds of errors like missing textures all 
> the way to total system hangs. The open drivers have never cut it, but they 
> never once hung my system.
> 
> Now back on topic. I have a T43, it's got an X300 in it. Guess what ati's very 
> latest drivers do? If I suspend to ram, that works fine. When I come back, it 
> hangs the system hard and I have to run around doing fscks and sometimes end 
> up with damaged filesystems.
> 
> Suspending to ram and coming back is something i do more than once a day, so 
> that's a real stinker to me.
> 
> Another real stinker, is every time I log into any WM/DE using any DM, that 
> works fine. But when it is time to log out of said WM/DE and bounced back to 
> the DM, boom, total system hang. Again, often requiring a fsck of all 
> filesystems and sometimes leading to damage.
> 
> It's totally unacceptable. I often tell people this: I am THRILLED with my 
> T43, and I would gladly purchase whatever system is current at a later 
> date... BUT... Only if it didn't have an ATI card, because I am beyond fed up 
> with the crap quality of ati's drivers in the linux world. I don't ever 
> intend to purchase another ATI product in anything, including a laptop. If I 
> knew what I did now, I would have gone and bought something else. That's 
> right, this laptop that I love, I would avoid it if I knew about the ATI 
> issuess on a laptop ahead of time.
> 
> Anyway, back to the original point. I think much like the original poster did, 
> that ATI is not a "real" video card at least from the Linux perspective. ATI 
> has more than once stated that Linux is not a priority, and boy it shows in 
> their driver quality. I certainly will not be purchasing another Thinkpad in 
> the future if it has an ATI card.
> 
> Yep, ATI is the deal breaker for me now.
> 
> Ooo, that rant was fun.
> 
I could please you the new generation of ati cards is a lot better (i 
use a x1400 in my t60) it works great suspend to disk to ram all fine.
I didn't mean ati's didn't offer enough power, that what i'd like to say 
was why only ati is used when more than the intel onboard is needed.
Why not also nvidia's or something else in no series.
florian

--------------ms030401010806080707010603
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s"
Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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--------------ms030401010806080707010603--