[ltp] Ubuntu Dapper on a22p - 1 data pt.

[Harry Mangalam]

Hi Paul,

It's interesting that your experience with apt essentially mirrors mine with 
yum.  Yum is an improvement on RPM or urpm, but it still seems unnecessarily 
slow, and apps quite sparse compared to apt which I find near-instantaneous 
and nearly always correct.  Especially with things as critical as kernel 
upgrades.  I've hit a couple nasty wedges, but only a couple.  And I can't 
really comment too knowledgeably about synaptic as I use the commandline apt 
commands.

I guess that's one reason why choice is good. 

( I agree with your assessment with Suse tho.) :)

Best wishes
Harry




On Tuesday 06 June 2006 11:39, Paul Michael Reilly wrote:
> Harry Mangalam <harry.mangalam@uci.edu> writes:
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>  > Hi All,
>  >
>  > I previously posted my experiences with Breezy, mostly to the positive. 
>  > I recently upgraded 2 systems to Dapper and with one glaring exception,
>  > the old Thinkpad a22p works well with it.
>
> I upgraded my A31p to Dapper recently and I was quite impressed at
> first.  Eventually though I switched back to FC5.  I don't have any
> comments on APM vs ACPI since I use my box more as a desktop system
> than a laptop but in both Dapper and FC5 I found that dual head was
> severely broken.  I now understand this is an xorg issue with two fixes
> (googling "dual head radeon xorg" should get you the relevant bugzilla
> numbers).
>
>  > final IMHO: Ubuntu (and all debian-based systems) continue to
>  > demonstrate the superiority of apt over rpm/yum-based systems.  In
>  > comparison, administering FC4 and FC5-based systems makes my teeth hurt.
>  > apt- isn't perfect, but it's by far the best installation/maint tool
>  > I've ever used.
>
> Fascinating.  It was system management on Xubuntu that drove me back
> to FC5.  I hated synaptic (the GUI tool) and far prefer yum.  In all
> fairness, I "grew up" with rpm/yum so they are second nature to me.
> Also, I went to build Emacs from CVS on Xubuntu and it was like
> pulling teeth.  I never did get the X headers installed.  Even worse
> was getting sshd working.  And while I got sshd running, I never did
> figure out how to configure it so that I could log into the box with
> local and remote forwarding configured.  I finally decided that, as
> much as I love the XFCE4.4 desktop, I did not have the energy to
> become an apt/debian/ubuntu sysadmin.  Better to work with Rawhide
> development and make sure XFCE4.4. is tested well and works on my A31p
> when FC6 comes out.
>
> FWIW, I had a similar experience with Suse 10.1 about a month ago,
> when it first came out.  These experiences with Suse and Ubuntu have
> given me a new respect for Fedora ... but I'll still rant anyway. :-)
>
> -pmr

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Cheers, Harry
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