[ltp] Best replacement for X61s
Adrian Filip
linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:29:03 +0300
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T520 has the old style keyboard with a big Delete and Esc keys. Insert was
moved above F12. It's heavy, not very comfortable to move it around.
I prefer the old style keyboard from T60p, with Insert above the Delete. I
like it so much that I about an Ultranav external keyboard, but is not the
same quality as the laptop keyboard, the top two rows feels very bad. I
also have an IBM model M keyboard, but I'm missing the trackpoint and I
don't like to use a mouse, but I like the feel. Unicomp has a model M with
trackpoint, but only with 2 buttons, I don't know how if it's possible to
scroll with it.
There were rumors that Lenovo will release a new classic/retro, but after a
year they didn't released anything:
http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine/
Looking at the comments, there are a lot of people wanting a classic
Thinkpad.
More rumors in the comments:
http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/its-about-time/
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Arno Trautmann <Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de>
wrote:
> On 07/25/2016 10:49 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> >>>> "Arno" =3D=3D Arno Trautmann <Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de> writes:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > my machine is getting old and I'd like to replace it. The casing
> shows
> > > clear signs of nearly 10 years everyday use and being carried
> around,
> > > and the processor also starts to feels slow.
> >
> > I have the same machine (and the same problem), have you considered to
> > use a SSD, I did this, and it felt like a big leap into the feature.
> > The speed of most operations doubled or tripled.
>
> Yes, sure. But I am really limited by the CPU power. My main use is
> acually LaTeX, and although this is using a huge number of small files
> (perfect for SSD), those are all cached and I don't expect a big increase
> in speed for TeXing.
> Plus, the fan is dying, there's a (small) crack in the housing and the
> screen is getting loose. Nothing that cannot be fixed, but alltogether to=
o
> much work for an old machine. Of course I'll keep it as a secondary machi=
ne.
>
> > > So I'm looking for a new machine. Unfortunately, all new thinkpads
> > > have this annoying macbook-style keyboards instead of the nice old
> > > ones with the cone-shaped keys. This is one of the reasons I'm
> asking
> > > here for some advice:
> >
> > I face the same problem, even more annoying than the shape of the
> > keyboard is its distribution and the fact that a lot of keys a missing,
> > since I have bound a lot of functions to these keys, I feel lost with
> > the new layout.
>
> Same here.
>
> > > What do you think would be the best replacement? Most important
> points
> > > for me are the compactness (~12"), robustness and, if somehow
> > > possible, the same keyboard style. Doesn't have to be a new machin=
e,
> > > used is fine =E2=80=93 but I'm not sure which was the last model w=
ith a nice
> > > keyboard. Also, I don't care about high-res screens or media stuff
> > > etc.
> >
> > I think the last ones with a traditional good Thinkpad keyboards are th=
e
> > 201 series.
>
> And I guess there's no way to fit one of the old keyboards into a new one=
?
> Has anyone tried/heard of that?
>
> Thank you guys for the quick answers!
>
> Best,
> Arno
>
>
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> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>T520 has the old style keyboard with a big Delet=
e and Esc keys. Insert was moved above F12. It's heavy, not very comfor=
table to move it around.<br></div>I prefer the old style keyboard from T60p=
, with Insert above the Delete. I like it so much that I about an Ultranav =
external keyboard, but is not the same quality as the laptop keyboard, the =
top two rows feels very bad. I also have an IBM model M keyboard, but I'=
;m missing the trackpoint and I don't like to use a mouse, but I like t=
he feel. Unicomp has a model M with trackpoint, but only with 2 buttons, I =
don't know how if it's possible to scroll with it.<br><br></div>The=
re were rumors that Lenovo will release a new classic/retro, but after a ye=
ar they didn't released anything:<br><a href=3D"http://blog.lenovo.com/=
en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine/">http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-=
thinkpad-time-machine/</a><br><div><div></div><div>Looking at the comments,=
there are a lot of people wanting a classic Thinkpad.<br></div><div><br></=
div><div>More rumors in the comments:<br><a href=3D"http://blog.lenovo.com/=
en/blog/its-about-time/">http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/its-about-time/</a>=
<br><br><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Arno Trautmann <span dir=3D"=
ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">Arno.Tr=
autmann@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><spa=
n class=3D"">On 07/25/2016 10:49 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote:<br>
>>>> "Arno" =3D=3D Arno Trautmann <<a href=3D"mail=
to:Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de</a>> w=
rites:<br>
><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Hi all,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > my machine is getting old and I'd like to replac=
e it. The casing shows<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > clear signs of nearly 10 years everyday use and bein=
g carried around,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > and the processor also starts to feels slow.<br>
><br>
> I have the same machine (and the same problem), have you considered to=
<br>
> use a SSD, I did this, and it felt like a big leap into the feature.<b=
r>
> The speed of most operations doubled or tripled.<br>
<br></span>
Yes, sure. But I am really limited by the CPU power. My main use is acually=
LaTeX, and although this is using a huge number of small files (perfect fo=
r SSD), those are all cached and I don't expect a big increase in speed=
for TeXing.<br>
Plus, the fan is dying, there's a (small) crack in the housing and the =
screen is getting loose. Nothing that cannot be fixed, but alltogether too =
much work for an old machine. Of course I'll keep it as a secondary mac=
hine.<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > So I'm looking for a new machine. Unfortunately,=
all new thinkpads<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > have this annoying macbook-style keyboards instead o=
f the nice old<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > ones with the cone-shaped keys. This is one of the r=
easons I'm asking<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > here for some advice:<br>
><br>
> I face the same problem, even more annoying than the shape of the<br>
> keyboard is its distribution and the fact that a lot of keys a missing=
,<br>
> since I have bound a lot of functions to these keys, I feel lost with<=
br>
> the new layout.<br>
<br></span>
Same here.<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What do you think would be the best replacement? Mos=
t important points<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > for me are the compactness (~12"), robustness a=
nd, if somehow<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > possible, the same keyboard style. Doesn't have =
to be a new machine,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > used is fine =E2=80=93 but I'm not sure which wa=
s the last model with a nice<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > keyboard. Also, I don't care about high-res scre=
ens or media stuff<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > etc.<br>
><br>
> I think the last ones with a traditional good Thinkpad keyboards are t=
he<br>
> 201 series.<br>
<br></span>
And I guess there's no way to fit one of the old keyboards into a new o=
ne? Has anyone tried/heard of that?<br>
<br>
Thank you guys for the quick answers!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Arno<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
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