[ltp] Best replacement for X61s
Adrian Filip
linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:30:40 +0300
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EDIT: that I about an Ultranav =3D that I bought an Ultranav
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Adrian Filip <adrian.filip@gmail.com>
wrote:
> T520 has the old style keyboard with a big Delete and Esc keys. Insert wa=
s
> moved above F12. It's heavy, not very comfortable to move it around.
> I prefer the old style keyboard from T60p, with Insert above the Delete. =
I
> like it so much that I about an Ultranav external keyboard, but is not th=
e
> same quality as the laptop keyboard, the top two rows feels very bad. I
> also have an IBM model M keyboard, but I'm missing the trackpoint and I
> don't like to use a mouse, but I like the feel. Unicomp has a model M wit=
h
> trackpoint, but only with 2 buttons, I don't know how if it's possible to
> scroll with it.
>
> There were rumors that Lenovo will release a new classic/retro, but after
> a year they didn't released anything:
> http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine/
> Looking at the comments, there are a lot of people wanting a classic
> Thinkpad.
>
> More rumors in the comments:
> http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/its-about-time/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Arno Trautmann <Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/25/2016 10:49 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>> >>>> "Arno" =3D=3D Arno Trautmann <Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de> writes:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > > my machine is getting old and I'd like to replace it. The casing
>> shows
>> > > clear signs of nearly 10 years everyday use and being carried
>> around,
>> > > and the processor also starts to feels slow.
>> >
>> > I have the same machine (and the same problem), have you considered to
>> > use a SSD, I did this, and it felt like a big leap into the feature.
>> > The speed of most operations doubled or tripled.
>>
>> Yes, sure. But I am really limited by the CPU power. My main use is
>> acually LaTeX, and although this is using a huge number of small files
>> (perfect for SSD), those are all cached and I don't expect a big increas=
e
>> in speed for TeXing.
>> Plus, the fan is dying, there's a (small) crack in the housing and the
>> screen is getting loose. Nothing that cannot be fixed, but alltogether t=
oo
>> much work for an old machine. Of course I'll keep it as a secondary mach=
ine.
>>
>> > > So I'm looking for a new machine. Unfortunately, all new thinkpad=
s
>> > > have this annoying macbook-style keyboards instead of the nice ol=
d
>> > > ones with the cone-shaped keys. This is one of the reasons I'm
>> asking
>> > > here for some advice:
>> >
>> > I face the same problem, even more annoying than the shape of the
>> > keyboard is its distribution and the fact that a lot of keys a missing=
,
>> > since I have bound a lot of functions to these keys, I feel lost with
>> > the new layout.
>>
>> Same here.
>>
>> > > What do you think would be the best replacement? Most important
>> points
>> > > for me are the compactness (~12"), robustness and, if somehow
>> > > possible, the same keyboard style. Doesn't have to be a new
>> machine,
>> > > used is fine =E2=80=93 but I'm not sure which was the last model =
with a
>> nice
>> > > keyboard. Also, I don't care about high-res screens or media stuf=
f
>> > > etc.
>> >
>> > I think the last ones with a traditional good Thinkpad keyboards are t=
he
>> > 201 series.
>>
>> And I guess there's no way to fit one of the old keyboards into a new
>> one? Has anyone tried/heard of that?
>>
>> Thank you guys for the quick answers!
>>
>> Best,
>> Arno
>>
>>
>> --
>> The linux-thinkpad mailing list home page is at:
>> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad
>>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">EDIT: that I about an Ultranav =3D that I bought an Ultran=
av</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, J=
ul 26, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Adrian Filip <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail=
to:adrian.filip@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">adrian.filip@gmail.com</a>>=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div=
>T520 has the old style keyboard with a big Delete and Esc keys. Insert was=
moved above F12. It's heavy, not very comfortable to move it around.<b=
r></div>I prefer the old style keyboard from T60p, with Insert above the De=
lete. I like it so much that I about an Ultranav external keyboard, but is =
not the same quality as the laptop keyboard, the top two rows feels very ba=
d. I also have an IBM model M keyboard, but I'm missing the trackpoint =
and I don't like to use a mouse, but I like the feel. Unicomp has a mod=
el M with trackpoint, but only with 2 buttons, I don't know how if it&#=
39;s possible to scroll with it.<br><br></div>There were rumors that Lenovo=
will release a new classic/retro, but after a year they didn't release=
d anything:<br><a href=3D"http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-tim=
e-machine/" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad=
-time-machine/</a><br><div><div></div><div>Looking at the comments, there a=
re a lot of people wanting a classic Thinkpad.<br></div><div><br></div><div=
>More rumors in the comments:<br><a href=3D"http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/=
its-about-time/" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/its-about=
-time/</a><br><br><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D=
"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul =
26, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Arno Trautmann <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailt=
o:Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 07/25/2016 10:49 AM,=
Uwe Brauer wrote:<br>
>>>> "Arno" =3D=3D Arno Trautmann <<a href=3D"mail=
to:Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">Arno.Trautmann@gmx.de</a>> w=
rites:<br>
><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Hi all,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > my machine is getting old and I'd like to replac=
e it. The casing shows<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > clear signs of nearly 10 years everyday use and bein=
g carried around,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > and the processor also starts to feels slow.<br>
><br>
> I have the same machine (and the same problem), have you considered to=
<br>
> use a SSD, I did this, and it felt like a big leap into the feature.<b=
r>
> The speed of most operations doubled or tripled.<br>
<br></span>
Yes, sure. But I am really limited by the CPU power. My main use is acually=
LaTeX, and although this is using a huge number of small files (perfect fo=
r SSD), those are all cached and I don't expect a big increase in speed=
for TeXing.<br>
Plus, the fan is dying, there's a (small) crack in the housing and the =
screen is getting loose. Nothing that cannot be fixed, but alltogether too =
much work for an old machine. Of course I'll keep it as a secondary mac=
hine.<span><br>
<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > So I'm looking for a new machine. Unfortunately,=
all new thinkpads<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > have this annoying macbook-style keyboards instead o=
f the nice old<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > ones with the cone-shaped keys. This is one of the r=
easons I'm asking<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > here for some advice:<br>
><br>
> I face the same problem, even more annoying than the shape of the<br>
> keyboard is its distribution and the fact that a lot of keys a missing=
,<br>
> since I have bound a lot of functions to these keys, I feel lost with<=
br>
> the new layout.<br>
<br></span>
Same here.<span><br>
<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What do you think would be the best replacement? Mos=
t important points<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > for me are the compactness (~12"), robustness a=
nd, if somehow<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > possible, the same keyboard style. Doesn't have =
to be a new machine,<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > used is fine =E2=80=93 but I'm not sure which wa=
s the last model with a nice<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > keyboard. Also, I don't care about high-res scre=
ens or media stuff<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > etc.<br>
><br>
> I think the last ones with a traditional good Thinkpad keyboards are t=
he<br>
> 201 series.<br>
<br></span>
And I guess there's no way to fit one of the old keyboards into a new o=
ne? Has anyone tried/heard of that?<br>
<br>
Thank you guys for the quick answers!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Arno<div><div><br>
<br>
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