[ltp] Re: Linux-Thinkpad digest, Vol 1 #3514 - 3 msgs
Francesco Raiola
linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:11:59 +0200
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As Jochen was stated the Key are there but less intuitive in the X1. If you
want to go from the X200 to an upgrade model go for the X230 the best one
pf the series that has an update hardware.
The X240 the newest Thinxpad X serie is the worst on the category even if
it is the latest.
Just to mention to you few of them (the list is longer)
- terrible quality and layout of the Keyboard
- max 4Gb RAM
- no special key for the Volume, Wifi and Blue ThinVantage button
- no SSD possibility as far as I recall
- old CPU
Look at the video of the product in the Newegg website and you wil not
believe at your eyes.
The best as you can go by far to upgrade your machine and staying on the
same X-serie (we know why we go on that serie) is only the X230 but
unfortunately is hard to find on Market. Let's me know if you find a seller
that will let you configure the X230.
Francesco Raiola
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> 1. keyboards in the new X series: less keys? (Uwe Brauer)
> 2. Re: keyboards in the new X series: less keys? (Chris Schumann)
> 3. Re: keyboards in the new X series: less keys? (Jochen Spieker)
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> From: Uwe Brauer <oub.oub.oub@gmail.com>
> To: linux-thinkpad <linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:43:07 +0200
> Subject: [ltp] keyboards in the new X series: less keys?
> Reply-To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
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> Hello
>
> I have used in the past either a X40, X60 or X200s. Now=20
> I am thinking of buying either a new X240 or X1. However when I searched
> for images of the keyboards, I observed to my horror, that=20
>
> - the X240 has no f1-f12 keys at all
>
> - the X1 still has but has no break, print, numlock and the forward
> and backward keys. That makes 5 keys less than the keyboard found
> on the X60 or X200 (the X40 has no windows modifier which is also
> bad.
>
> Since I have bound all sorts of commands to all these keys, this is
> really horrible.=20
> Are there models with the old type of keyboards?
> Is there a way to exchange the new keyboards for the old one?
>
> thanks
>
> Uwe Brauer=20
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:51:23 -0500
> From: Chris Schumann <chris@idlelion.net>
> To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
> Subject: Re: [ltp] keyboards in the new X series: less keys?
> Reply-To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
>
> On 07/23/2014 08:43 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> > - the X1 still has but has no break, print, numlock and the forward
> > and backward keys. That makes 5 keys less than the keyboard found
> > on the X60 or X200 (the X40 has no windows modifier which is also
> > bad.
> >
> I have an X1. I was really annoyed at the new layout, as I used back and
> forward frequently. I don't think there are any other keyboards you can
> install in the machine, but you can map keys as you like.
>
> I've gotten used to the new layout, and the rest of the machine is
> really just excellent.
>
> Chris
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:30:48 +0200
> From: Jochen Spieker <ml@well-adjusted.de>
> To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
> Subject: Re: [ltp] keyboards in the new X series: less keys?
> Reply-To: linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org
>
>
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> Uwe Brauer:
> >=20
> > I have used in the past either a X40, X60 or X200s. Now=20
> > I am thinking of buying either a new X240 or X1. However when I searched
> > for images of the keyboards, I observed to my horror, that=20
> >=20
> > - the X240 has no f1-f12 keys at all
>
> Not true. F1-F12 are labelled with special functions (volume, wifi,
> brightness etc) but have small labels for Fx as well. You can switch
> between both modes with Fn-Esc ("FnLk") and the state persists across
> reboots. Apart form a slightly annoying LED in the FN key (lit on FnLk)
> this is not worse than my old X200. The only key I am missing is for
> suspend.
>
> > - the X1 still has but has no break, print, numlock and the forward
> > and backward keys. That makes 5 keys less than the keyboard found
> > on the X60 or X200 (the X40 has no windows modifier which is also
> > bad.
>
> The X240 also doesn't have any other of these keys. And, potentially
> worse, End and Ins share a single key. By default you have End and
> Fn+End is Ins. With FnLk it is the other way round. I got used to this
> surprisingly quick, but only because I apparentlyuse Ins more often than
> End.
>
> > Are there models with the old type of keyboards?
> > Is there a way to exchange the new keyboards for the old one?
>
> I don't think so.
>
> J.
> --=20
> I am not scared of death but terrified of people in Tommy Hilfiger
> sweatshirts.
> [Agree] [Disagree]
> <http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>As Jochen was stat=
ed the Key are there but less intuitive in the X1. If you want to go from t=
he X200 to an upgrade model go for the X230 the best one pf the series that=
has an update hardware.<br>
</div>The X240 the newest Thinxpad X serie is the worst on the category eve=
n if it is the latest.<br></div>Just to mention to you few of them (the lis=
t is longer)<br></div>- terrible quality and layout of the Keyboard<br>
</div>- max 4Gb RAM<br></div>- no special key for the Volume, Wifi and Blue=
ThinVantage button<br></div>- no SSD possibility as far as I recall<br></d=
iv><div>- old CPU<br></div><div><br></div>Look at the video of the product =
in the Newegg website and you wil not believe at your eyes.<br>
</div>The best as you can go by far to upgrade your machine and staying on =
the same X-serie (we know why we go on that serie) is only the X230 but unf=
ortunately is hard to find on Market. Let's me know if you find a selle=
r that=C2=A0 will let you configure the X230.<br>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A01. keyboards in the new X series: less keys? (Uwe Brauer)<br>
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From: Uwe Brauer <<a href=3D"mailto:oub.oub.oub@gmail.com">oub.oub.oub@g=
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:43:07 +0200<br>
Subject: [ltp] keyboards in the new X series: less keys?<br>
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Hello<br>
<br>
I have used in the past =C2=A0either a X40, X60 or X200s. Now=3D20<br>
I am thinking of buying either a new X240 or X1. However when I searched<br=
>
for images of the keyboards, I observed to my horror, that=3D20<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - =C2=A0the X240 has no f1-f12 keys at all<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - =C2=A0the X1 still has but has no break, print, numlock and=
the forward<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and backward keys. That makes 5 keys less than t=
he keyboard found<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on the X60 or X200 (the X40 has no windows modif=
ier which is also<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bad.<br>
<br>
Since I have bound all sorts of commands to all these keys, this is<br>
really horrible.=3D20<br>
Are there models with the old type of keyboards?<br>
Is there a way to exchange the new keyboards for the old one?<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
Uwe Brauer=3D20<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:51:23 -0500<br>
From: Chris Schumann <<a href=3D"mailto:chris@idlelion.net">chris@idleli=
on.net</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org">linux-thinkpad@lin=
ux-thinkpad.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [ltp] keyboards in the new X series: less keys?<br>
Reply-To: <a href=3D"mailto:linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org">linux-thinkp=
ad@linux-thinkpad.org</a><br>
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On 07/23/2014 08:43 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote:<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- =C2=A0the X1 still has but has no break, print, =
numlock and the forward<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and backward keys. That makes 5 keys less =
than the keyboard found<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 on the X60 or X200 (the X40 has no windows=
modifier which is also<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bad.<br>
><br>
I have an X1. I was really annoyed at the new layout, as I used back and<br=
>
forward frequently. I don't think there are any other keyboards you can=
<br>
install in the machine, but you can map keys as you like.<br>
<br>
I've gotten used to the new layout, and the rest of the machine is<br>
really just excellent.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:30:48 +0200<br>
From: Jochen Spieker <<a href=3D"mailto:ml@well-adjusted.de">ml@well-adj=
usted.de</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org">linux-thinkpad@lin=
ux-thinkpad.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [ltp] keyboards in the new X series: less keys?<br>
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ad@linux-thinkpad.org</a><br>
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Uwe Brauer:<br>
>=3D20<br>
> I have used in the past =C2=A0either a X40, X60 or X200s. Now=3D20<br>
> I am thinking of buying either a new X240 or X1. However when I search=
ed<br>
> for images of the keyboards, I observed to my horror, that=3D20<br>
>=3D20<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - =C2=A0the X240 has no f1-f12 keys at all<br>
<br>
Not true. F1-F12 are labelled with special functions (volume, wifi,<br>
brightness etc) but have small labels for Fx as well. You can switch<br>
between both modes with Fn-Esc ("FnLk") and the state persists ac=
ross<br>
reboots. Apart form a slightly annoying LED in the FN key (lit on FnLk)<br>
this is not worse than my old X200. The only key I am missing is for<br>
suspend.<br>
<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - =C2=A0the X1 still has but has no break, print, numloc=
k and the forward<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and backward keys. That makes 5 keys less t=
han the keyboard found<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on the X60 or X200 (the X40 has no windows =
modifier which is also<br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bad.<br>
<br>
The X240 also doesn't have any other of these keys. And, potentially<br=
>
worse, End and Ins share a single key. By default you have End and<br>
Fn+End is Ins. With FnLk it is the other way round. I got used to this<br>
surprisingly quick, but only because I apparentlyuse Ins more often than<br=
>
End.<br>
<br>
> Are there models with the old type of keyboards?<br>
> Is there a way to exchange the new keyboards for the old one?<br>
<br>
I don't think so.<br>
<br>
J.<br>
--=3D20<br>
I am not scared of death but terrified of people in Tommy Hilfiger<br>
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[Agree] =C2=A0 [Disagree]<br>
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